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ragingwizard
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What gives?
Deft strikes slow is okay, but dazing is so cheap, its HAMSTER easy to land with the assistance of stealth, long *** CC time too + deft slow? The skill in playing the TR is now non-existant, sorry TR community you can't have all that deflect, stealth CC and massive single target dps, I dont give two flying ****s if your bad in PvE, its not an excuse for this broken class in pvp, TRs basically get there hand held throughout pvp now, a nice long stun to land attacks, perma stealth so you dont have to get hit, honestly this class has become the new rookie class, for players who don't know how to play PvP at all, not that it matters, you will take the same path CW did in mod 4, which was a disaster.
Deft strikes slow is okay, but dazing is so cheap, its HAMSTER easy to land with the assistance of stealth, long *** CC time too + deft slow? The skill in playing the TR is now non-existant, sorry TR community you can't have all that deflect, stealth CC and massive single target dps, I dont give two flying ****s if your bad in PvE, its not an excuse for this broken class in pvp, TRs basically get there hand held throughout pvp now, a nice long stun to land attacks, perma stealth so you dont have to get hit, honestly this class has become the new rookie class, for players who don't know how to play PvP at all, not that it matters, you will take the same path CW did in mod 4, which was a disaster.
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Perma stealth+ perma stun+ 4 dodges+ huge DMG. TR is just mad, no way to survive against him
CW is fine, that would be like asking for an HR buff because TRs are OP.
Instead of making other classes more powerful they need to work on balancing the TRs.
pugs seem more balanced
i had couple off close matches
before if u had a tr in the group it was 99% lost match now they are fun to counter
same with dc.
so tr is more balanced then ever
Well with every mod comes an OP class (or two), I'm fine with letting TRs and DCs have some fun before the nerf comes, they did have it pretty bad before mod 5.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
HR easiest to kill, you read it to. Buff HR.^^ TBH if thats your opinion, you either are holy OP or you never met a decent HR.
depends. good hunters are rare and the god-tier hunters are like an endangered species. decent hunters and below are not much different from wizards except for the dodge spam (if they even think of using it) and most in this category are archery specced instead of combat from what i can tell in how they avoid melee so much. not saying much since most hunters lack the skill or build to fully utilize their class
Easiest for TR's to kill... compared to killing GWF's and GF's. HR is Fine right now as well.
To elaborate, my 17k HR has 30k+HP, 60%+ deflect and a boatload of selfheals. The problem with the leaderboaed reset is, that you will most likely play against ppl with bad gear and/or PVE TRs/ DCs who heared, that their class is OP in PvP.
But now, that you said it, there really where some TRs trying to kill my HR from stealth.
CW are not fine!!! What I mention as to be adjust for a better play and I'm sure that will work great and without changing the PVE balance the developers want's to create. But to say the spells I noted are fine for PVP is showing you don't know much about CW PVP. And for TR the DPS is much too High with the control and stealth they have in PVP.
Again stop using T2 gear in PVP.
Tr are fine
Tr class is fine...
13k gs tr ending up with 17-1 among 18k gs players is normal for a striker class..
Tr class is fine lets all say it a couple of more times shall we .....
Every class has the skills to defeat them...
Every class does not have the gear to beat them though...
Top end players with all rank 9 or 10 and full legendary are going to own you hands down.
Also think about this, TR have been working with next to nothing in terms of pvp ability.
Because of this, we have become masters of skill and tactics.
Combine that skill and our tactics with more power and you have this..
A martial arts master black belt vs a white belt in pvp.
Consider rank 10's like bringing a gun to a knife fight... no matter what class you are..
Tr class if fine
Funny my buddy havent played his tr in 3 month time average player with rank 7 normal plauge no leg artifacts he must have trained like hell when he was away because now after reading some stuff on Tr forum he ranks up 4 times his normal kills and never dies.
Tr class is fine though dont forget that every class has the means to kill them dont forget that sw and the rest...
Tr class is fine....
not our fault you can't dodge properly. i can beat them on my cleric which is just slightly weaker than my flame oppressor wizard which is even weaker than a spellstorm wizard. even dodged all but the 1st hit of bloodbath since it's not like i am lacking stamina when fighting one.
and yes, some of us have skills despite our gs or low hp. i have personally dodged icy rays 5 times in a row without being slowed, using itc, or interrupted and kept charging that same wizard without stopping. those of us who truly played this class without relying on perma have learned to make up for the flaws in our class and it's only now becoming apparent.
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I dont run ITC that often anymore either..
Dazing / smoke bomb / combo
and make tr leave footprint when stealth at least when they step on the node
or give back 75% deflec sev to 50%
i could care less about the former but that deflect severity is crucial for pve as we are melee. without it, more attacks will be able to kill me right through deflect and some already do. i rather not ever have to question the necessity of slotting itc if i am forced to dodge anyways.
It's just 25% deflect sev and it's gonna become like other class with 50% you got area stun cc imune great damage have invis
it's ok to every class to strong with their mekanic but to become OP is ruin the game
what i mean is that we actually NEED deflect for pve and pvp. we can literally die in melee in pve even when using itc currently or are you saying that we should just stay far away and sling daggers? also, most rogues lack my 89% aoe-deflect mitigation so it's worse for others.
ps: our deflect isn't overpowered. you might be mixing us up with the deflect heals from hunters because i promise you that if we had it but nerfed our severity to 50%, then you would truly think we are overpowered.
If pve is the issue then make it 50% defl sev in pvp
you have invis as your defend mekanic and when you strike while stealth it count as sacrifice defend ability to bonus damage
i think it's fair enough
doubt it since we are more of a front-liner compared to hunters although good melee hunters are quite a threat. it's basically a difference between danger levels due to the necessity of being a melee class standing next to tanks like guardians/gwf's.
also stealth only matters for 2 paths which likely won't even have a lot of it anyways and scoundrels are the only path that will generally be in the 40-60% range. especially since many will forfeit dexterity due to auto-criticals. from memory i would say that majority will likely not overcome 40% since i recall many being within 20-35% prior to mod 5. especially permas since they completely forego all defensive stats for offensive stats due to the very defensive nature of stealth.
if a perma is your problem, then they are likely getting almost all of their deflect from dex/cha anyways.
That's like saying Unstoppable is the GWF defense mechanic, hence their base DR should be reduced. Shield block is the GF defense mechanic, so let's gut down their DR to under 30% as well.
Stealth is a tab feature, and it is both a defense AND offense mechanism for the TR, but our primary defense mechanic is the deflect.
What you're suggesting is not fair, and biased.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I think you just have just a bad luck playing with two or more TR with different path cause you cant have that all skill in just one TR just to let you know. If you read the TR changes there are stealth type and there are CC type and Damage type TR. You cant have those three. Those with complete perfect and artifact weapon TR has an 11k power(22-25kGS) you do the math when he chose to be executioner type or he can become CC type(scoundrel) you will never have any chance of winning. But most of TR are just under geared you can rarely sees a TR with 20-25k GS Most TR are 12k to 18k GS. Yes its pain in the arrse when you have two TR as your opponent. its the same thing for everybody when theres 2 GW. or 2 to 3 CW and 2 DC in your opposing team.
Yes gwf have cc and temp hp as defend mekanic but they can be hit and you can evade or escape until their cc imune dry out not like when facing TR we dont know where the attack will come from
yes gf can block damage but you can slip to behind them
if you compare to HR who have wild medicine it's already nerf to half and hr don't have cc imune and invis
this tr thing is bug and i hope dev will realise this
You might want to keep up with modules. You're living in module 3 so i suggest you pack up your stuff and hurry come with us to module 5. GWFs are not able to prone a thing since module 4 and the "stuns" can still be deflected, making them last half of the time. Plus, if we stun you while you are stealthed, you stay stealthed. So we have also no indication about how long our stun will last or if it even landed.
Also, with all the tools you TRs have, if you get stun it's either your error or a lag spike, or you're unlucky. Cause you have all the tools to be either in stealth out of range, be immune to CC (roll, ITC), move way faster than any other class except GWF sprint or SW IF THEY ARE SPRINTING/ ZOOMING and daze the enemy so he can't use powers. Combine all together, all you've to do is to do not mess up your rotations.
change 100% succses crit while stealth with 40% crit sev and ofcourse attack will dry out stealth
make tr leave footprint when stealth at least when they step on the node on pvp
Change 75% defl sev with +5% defl sev each enemy near radius 15 feet max 25%
It's make TR become strong not OP