A feedback thread... so far I seem to be in the minority, but I actually like the event a lot.
Yes, there are some things that seem a little off. People are having trouble targeting the dragons. The non-dragon bosses only live for a few seconds. I really think the new enchant should drop better stuff. Or at least a lot more of what it does drop. And I don't understand the need for a 10 minute cooldown on the horn at all. But imo those are mostly minor issues. (Well except the targetting thing).
Overall though, I am really liking the event. The siege area is great. Very detailed, well designed. I love the whole idea of defending Neverwinter from an enemy army. Its even great that they thought about those that don't want to fight constantly and kept it out of PE this time. Been having a blast grinding the HEs in it. Even decided to put off doing most of my dailies until the event is over. And that says a lot, as I am addicted to my dailies. The fighting is pretty much non-stop. Its crazy. Its great. Even seen times with two dragons up at once and having to choose between them.
My only real criticism of the events design is that it didn't have anything really new as far as enemies. Been fighting dragons and the cult for a few weeks now. Would have been refreshing if there were a few new types thrown into the mix. Idk, for example maybe cult cavalry riding on rage drakes or perhaps some winged enemies swooping in. With them added to the regular ToD missions after the event is over. To late now & hindsight is 20/20 and all that... just saying it would have been nice to see some new hostiles.
Disclaimer: (to the OP) I admit have not yet run the event with my GF. But I don't see how its going to be that much different than the campaign TOD dragon fights. Where he gets Great Success every time. My understanding is that the HEs do take into account healing and damage recieved.
XD ok... GFs are not DPS brutes and not the tank we should be... so how you play a GF?
Seems you missed the complete overhaul on GFs? They tank better AND DPS better than ever. Maybe you should consider a respec, you did get a free one afterall :rolleyes:
I think this event is pretty good -- I'm not happy with it 100%, I was disappointed, for example, that they didn't follow on the example of Valindra's Invasion and have the fighting in the PE itself and I think the battlefield area is a little small, but overall I'm pretty happy with the event despite all that.
I'd like to point out that Cryptic has mentioned many times they have changed the way HE's calculate success so that healing is taken into account as well as damage. I believe also they have worked out a way for GF's to get in on the action too, though I'm not entire sure how.
I don't know if they updated the HE's in IWD, but they DID change it in ToD, and therefore I would expect in this event as well. At this point, if you are not getting Great Success periodically it means simply that there were enough other players in the HE that were more effective that you were at whatever they were doing. That's really all there is to it. Don't talk to me about your gear score or how well you run DDs, all that is irrelevant. If you, compared to the others around you, aren't in the top bracket of effectiveness - either DPS or Healing (and maybe another category), then you won't get Great Success.
That's your fault, not the game's fault. You shouldn't be rewarded for being only middlingly effective.
No need to respec. My GF is not Conqueror. With all them daily quests you should have enough power points to put in:
Knight's Challenge, Lunging Strike, Anvil of Doom, Combat Superiority, Guarded Assault.
The rest is just gear: with Timeless set and proper jewelry my GF can have 6k power and 3k crit.
If you don't have that gear for doing dailies - man, it must be rough. You should have gear for tanking and gear for solo/dailies.
Same for my DC, depending on how it goes, I can either get a Great Success using all heals (no Divine Glow) or all DPS (no respec, just switch powers like I do for dailies).
Both toons under 15k GS.
That said, I do wish that tanking and buffing was counted more (because if I got full tank or full buff - no great success ever); and that the rewards weren't hidden behind so many level of RNG (dungeons are nice because it's just one level of RNG).
I've gotten great success many times on every single class. Including a level 17 SW. And I'm hardly well geared or a power player. This event seems extremely forgiving.
I have to echo everyone's statement that this one is one of the better events. It's open to everyone. It's quick and simple. There are multiple ways to get rewards, from farming drops, daily rewards, crafting, and even just buying them on the AH. That alone is one of the best parts of the event, a large number of the rewards are BoE. That alone really takes some of the sting out of all the randomness.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
What happened to the Medals of Heroism I had collected?
They probably weren't Medals of Heroism. There's a guaranteed drop from the first two heroics you do that that gives credit towards your daily and also uses a medal icon.
gabrieldourdenMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,212Arc User
edited September 2014
I really don't understand the OP... I play an Archer HR and sometimes am unable to target the dragons. When that happens, what I do is just eat up all the damage I can and still get Great Success, and my ability to eat damage is far less than that of a GF.
Le-Shan: HR level 80 (main)
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
Seems you missed the complete overhaul on GFs? They tank better AND DPS better than ever. Maybe you should consider a respec, you did get a free one afterall :rolleyes:
First of all the event have not only Dragon fight HE .
You must reach mobs / adds to do dmg to achive better succes you will take no dmg as GF when you cant even reach red area ,and you cant heal what is not hurt as DC(mybe DC have a little advantage here cuz ranged dps) but if 30+ ppl are on Dragon HE you have no chance to achive your Great Succes.
Second Full DPS GF deal 1/3 dmg of CW HR GWF and 1/10 of good SW.
Even if we try to contra single target DPS GF VS HR/GWF/CW/SW you will fail .
If you can show me you beat a good DPS like Laz or any other good CW like Kozi or any good HR or any SW will say ok i cant play GF .
If not then you cant play GF too.
XD ok... GFs are not DPS brutes and not the tank we should be... so how you play a GF?
I played the event's Heroic Encounters multiple times with my GWF Sentinel (ok, this one has BIS gear) and my PROTECTOR GF with a T1 pvp armor with no enchantments other than a greater plaguefire and got GREAT SUCCESS every single time.
First of all the event have not only Dragon fight HE .
You must reach mobs / adds to do dmg to achive better succes you will take no dmg as GF when you cant even reach red are ,and you cant heal what is not hurt as DC(mybe DC have a little advantage here ) but if 30+ ppl are on Dragon HE you have no chance to achive your Great Succes.
Second Full DPS GF deal 1/3 dmg of CW HR GWF and 1/10 of good SW.
Even if we try to contra single target DPS GF VS HR/GWF/CW/SW you will fall .
If you can show me you beat a good DPS like Laz or any other good CW like Kozi or any good HR or any SWi will say ok i cant play GF .
If not then you cant play GF too.
LOL, I have no idea who any of those people are you named.... but I have many GF guildmates and they aren't QQing over not getting Great Success. In fact, they only complain when the infrequent and unexpected happens that they DON'T get great success - and then they're complaining they got tied up on their way and couldn't get there from the start.
There's more to getting Great Success than raw DPS - it takes the various classes into account and gives appropriate rankings based on your effectiveness. If you don't get GS, you weren't effective. That doesn't mean you didn't get as much DPS. It means you're not as effective with you class. So.. go learn how to play your class better rather than cry that others are better than you. Simple as that. Not sure what you really expect to happen when the fault here is yours.
LOL, I have no idea who any of those people are you named.... but I have many GF guildmates and they aren't QQing over not getting Great Success. In fact, they only complain when the infrequent and unexpected happens that they DON'T get great success - and then they're complaining they got tied up on their way and couldn't get there from the start.
There's more to getting Great Success than raw DPS - it takes the various classes into account and gives appropriate rankings based on your effectiveness. If you don't get GS, you weren't effective. That doesn't mean you didn't get as much DPS. It means you're not as effective with you class. So.. go learn how to play your class better rather than cry that others are better than you. Simple as that. Not sure what you really expect to happen when the fault here is yours.
^^I like dis guy. More betterer engrish den me :cool:
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
LOL, I have no idea who any of those people are you named.... but I have many GF guildmates and they aren't QQing over not getting Great Success. In fact, they only complain when the infrequent and unexpected happens that they DON'T get great success - and then they're complaining they got tied up on their way and couldn't get there from the start.
There's more to getting Great Success than raw DPS - it takes the various classes into account and gives appropriate rankings based on your effectiveness. If you don't get GS, you weren't effective. That doesn't mean you didn't get as much DPS. It means you're not as effective with you class. So.. go learn how to play your class better rather than cry that others are better than you. Simple as that. Not sure what you really expect to happen when the fault here is yours.
You played almost from the first day and have zero idea about classes and about this game.
Any way if you play from beta and dont know good players then this is your fault or your bad rep.
Agan this is feedback not Troll thread if you have no feedback then dont write soo simple.
Seems you missed the complete overhaul on GFs? They tank better AND DPS better than ever. Maybe you should consider a respec, you did get a free one afterall :rolleyes:
DPS = Damage per second. Burst damage is not DPS, so CW HR SW TR outrun us and even our fellow GWF is better at dealing dmg.
I played the event's Heroic Encounters multiple times with my GWF Sentinel (ok, this one has BIS gear) and my PROTECTOR GF with a T1 pvp armor with no enchantments other than a greater plaguefire and got GREAT SUCCESS every single time.
sorry, do u use KV? if so then this doesn t counts for me, cause of course you will take the most dmg => great success.
You played almost from the first day and have zero idea about classes and about this game.
Agan this is feedback not Troll thread if you have no feedback then dont write soo simple.
WTF, yes that was constructive feedback. Made a whole lotta sense to
For me its okay Its just so epic when it comes to lag. They should make this like skirmish mode 5 player max because its too lag and at the same time its like I am playing Icewindale HE which for about 3 months now I cant complete my Black Ice set. because too many playe going for Beholder And Remo...
cryptic fu** up drop in this game. Dps classes got enough damage to drop everything and get great success + they even got buff from us to higher their DPS!!!!!!!!!! They got rank 5 enchants (for example from icewind) and we (DC's etc.) are just working for their prizes. I spent first day doing missions on my SW in incewind and i won more rank 5 enchants than on my DC where i did full campaign FU cryptic just delete support classes if you hate them
OP, it has been pointed out non stop what the new GF can do. You obviously choose to ignore it and stick with the invalid and origional complaint. My last reply here. Done beating a dead horse. GL
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truelokasterMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1Arc User
sorry, do u use KV? if so then this doesn t counts for me, cause of course you will take the most dmg => great success.
So, you are asking how everyone else tanks, assumes that everyone that obtains Great Success is using a Conqueror build, and whne a LOT reply that they obtain Great Success by NOT using Conqueror you claim that using Knight's Valor doesn't "counts for you". Honestly I don't care what "counts for you" cause it's kinda obvious that you must be the worst tank ever in this game
sorry, do u use KV? if so then this doesn t counts for me, cause of course you will take the most dmg => great success.
Eh... lost any point with that statement. Original post was about how the event was terrible because GFs can't get ever get a great success. But they have a skill that almost guarantees them great success. Refusing to use that skill and then complaining about the consequences seems downright silly. No matter how cheesy.
I mean, on my SW I hate dreadtheft. I don't like the way it targets. I think it looks gaudy. And I dislike being forced to use it. But combined with other stuff its by far his strongest power. I'm not going to refuse to use it and complain about being weak at the same time. That'd just be silly. And that is what you are doing with GF/KV.
adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
edited September 2014
Overall I like this.. I have only tried the event as a DC - getting "Great Success" most of the time, so I have no complaints in that respect. I like having basically non-stop HEs .... means I don't have to wait or jump between instances to do something interesting. The difficulty is mostly right, as far as the dragons are concerned, but I find the Cult General (I think that's what he is called) far too easily killed. Otherwise - yea, it looks good, relatively bug free, but I only played it enough to get the horn and the blue cart yesterday.
As for the rewards...well, yea...they seem fair to me and require appropriate effort .. and not too much randomness, so overall...pretty good job.
So, you are asking how everyone else tanks, assumes that everyone that obtains Great Success is using a Conqueror build, and whne a LOT reply that they obtain Great Success by NOT using Conqueror you claim that using Knight's Valor doesn't "counts for you". Honestly I don't care what "counts for you" cause it's kinda obvious that you must be the worst tank ever in this game
it doesn t counts cause it s freaking bugged you find it fair to take 50% dmg from 30 people you alone? Everyone loves it and everyone kisses it s *** but it s not something to love or be proud of. GF shouldn t be considered and played as a martyr who dies for your sins. You should pay for your own mistakes that s why KV is not something to use in a HE or in PVP. A tank should tank with the mobs with no KV, jump in a pile of mobs in a dungeon and control them that s how you tank not sitting like a turtle and prema guard. And that s something that most GF out there (former GWFs) don t like they like the easy way around everything
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
Eh... lost any point with that statement. Original post was about how the event was terrible because GFs can't get ever get a great success. But they have a skill that almost guarantees them great success. Refusing to use that skill and then complaining about the consequences seems downright silly. No matter how cheesy.
I mean, on my SW I hate dreadtheft. I don't like the way it targets. I think it looks gaudy. And I dislike being forced to use it. But combined with other stuff its by far his strongest power. I'm not going to refuse to use it and complain about being weak at the same time. That'd just be silly. And that is what you are doing with GF/KV.
The original post was about feedback good or bad.
MY point was :i am sick of HEs .
And i say how awesome was Respen VS Siege.
The best reward is the horn what is not worth the time to grind it .(and i also say the desing of horn animation is awesome)
Melee classes and support classes have disadvantage in this event and on all HE s.
Awful event, why do you even need that great success? You likely won't get anything but a bit more coins. I farmed HEs till I had enough coins to buy the horn and blue crafting asset, was scoring great success every time and haven't gotten anything but coins.
Absolutely boring and unrewarding.
M6 almost drains your soul given how boring it is. (c) joocycuzzzzzz
Ok we read your opinion about it, I think its great if you don't like it don't play it...But the Devs put a lot of effort into this and its really fun...A lot of veteran players have already told you how you could do it...can you please stop your Q.Q
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
Ok we read your opinion about it, I think its great if you don't like it don't play it...But the Devs put a lot of effort into this and its really fun...A lot of veteran players have already told you how you could do it...can you please stop your Q.Q
I think ppl lead this thread into a wrong direction .(this shoud be feedback not troll thread )
Nobody Q.Q here.
And agan if you dont give feedback dont post soo simple.
I am sure devs can take negative critic not just positively critic.
Melee classes and support classes have disadvantage in this event and on all HE s.
As has been pointed out many times, this is just wrong. Melee and Support? That's mostly GWF, TR, GF, and DC. None of them have a problem getting great success unless you hinder yourself. Focus on the HEs you are good at. Slack and chill during the ones you don't think you'll do great at anyway.
As for being tired of HEs in general. I can understand that. I disagree. I think they're fun. But I can understand where you are coming from. You'd probably have a lot less people calling you out on it though, if you left off the "GFs are Disadvantaged" stuff though. Since its just not true.
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Yes, there are some things that seem a little off. People are having trouble targeting the dragons. The non-dragon bosses only live for a few seconds. I really think the new enchant should drop better stuff. Or at least a lot more of what it does drop. And I don't understand the need for a 10 minute cooldown on the horn at all. But imo those are mostly minor issues. (Well except the targetting thing).
Overall though, I am really liking the event. The siege area is great. Very detailed, well designed. I love the whole idea of defending Neverwinter from an enemy army. Its even great that they thought about those that don't want to fight constantly and kept it out of PE this time. Been having a blast grinding the HEs in it. Even decided to put off doing most of my dailies until the event is over. And that says a lot, as I am addicted to my dailies. The fighting is pretty much non-stop. Its crazy. Its great. Even seen times with two dragons up at once and having to choose between them.
My only real criticism of the events design is that it didn't have anything really new as far as enemies. Been fighting dragons and the cult for a few weeks now. Would have been refreshing if there were a few new types thrown into the mix. Idk, for example maybe cult cavalry riding on rage drakes or perhaps some winged enemies swooping in. With them added to the regular ToD missions after the event is over. To late now & hindsight is 20/20 and all that... just saying it would have been nice to see some new hostiles.
Disclaimer: (to the OP) I admit have not yet run the event with my GF. But I don't see how its going to be that much different than the campaign TOD dragon fights. Where he gets Great Success every time. My understanding is that the HEs do take into account healing and damage recieved.
Seems you missed the complete overhaul on GFs? They tank better AND DPS better than ever. Maybe you should consider a respec, you did get a free one afterall :rolleyes:
I'd like to point out that Cryptic has mentioned many times they have changed the way HE's calculate success so that healing is taken into account as well as damage. I believe also they have worked out a way for GF's to get in on the action too, though I'm not entire sure how.
I don't know if they updated the HE's in IWD, but they DID change it in ToD, and therefore I would expect in this event as well. At this point, if you are not getting Great Success periodically it means simply that there were enough other players in the HE that were more effective that you were at whatever they were doing. That's really all there is to it. Don't talk to me about your gear score or how well you run DDs, all that is irrelevant. If you, compared to the others around you, aren't in the top bracket of effectiveness - either DPS or Healing (and maybe another category), then you won't get Great Success.
That's your fault, not the game's fault. You shouldn't be rewarded for being only middlingly effective.
Sekhmet@kvetchus_
Guilds: Greycloaks, Blackcloaks, Whitecloaks, Goldcloaks, Browncloaks, Spiritcloaks, Bluecloaks, Silvercloaks, Black Dawn
Tredecim: The Cloak Alliance
Knight's Challenge, Lunging Strike, Anvil of Doom, Combat Superiority, Guarded Assault.
The rest is just gear: with Timeless set and proper jewelry my GF can have 6k power and 3k crit.
If you don't have that gear for doing dailies - man, it must be rough. You should have gear for tanking and gear for solo/dailies.
Same for my DC, depending on how it goes, I can either get a Great Success using all heals (no Divine Glow) or all DPS (no respec, just switch powers like I do for dailies).
Both toons under 15k GS.
That said, I do wish that tanking and buffing was counted more (because if I got full tank or full buff - no great success ever); and that the rewards weren't hidden behind so many level of RNG (dungeons are nice because it's just one level of RNG).
Short, sweet, alt friendly, nice looking rewards.
I have to echo everyone's statement that this one is one of the better events. It's open to everyone. It's quick and simple. There are multiple ways to get rewards, from farming drops, daily rewards, crafting, and even just buying them on the AH. That alone is one of the best parts of the event, a large number of the rewards are BoE. That alone really takes some of the sting out of all the randomness.
They probably weren't Medals of Heroism. There's a guaranteed drop from the first two heroics you do that that gives credit towards your daily and also uses a medal icon.
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Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
First of all the event have not only Dragon fight HE .
You must reach mobs / adds to do dmg to achive better succes you will take no dmg as GF when you cant even reach red area ,and you cant heal what is not hurt as DC(mybe DC have a little advantage here cuz ranged dps) but if 30+ ppl are on Dragon HE you have no chance to achive your Great Succes.
Second Full DPS GF deal 1/3 dmg of CW HR GWF and 1/10 of good SW.
Even if we try to contra single target DPS GF VS HR/GWF/CW/SW you will fail .
If you can show me you beat a good DPS like Laz or any other good CW like Kozi or any good HR or any SW will say ok i cant play GF .
If not then you cant play GF too.
I played the event's Heroic Encounters multiple times with my GWF Sentinel (ok, this one has BIS gear) and my PROTECTOR GF with a T1 pvp armor with no enchantments other than a greater plaguefire and got GREAT SUCCESS every single time.
I've also gotten Great Success on the Dragons using DC, TR, CW, GWF, SW, HR.
The others are harder, too many people chasing mobs around.
In short, if wanting Great Success, do the Dragon HEs.
Not that it matters personally, I just want to get the daily done, Great Success or not, can not be bothered. It's usually just 10 insignias more.
LOL, I have no idea who any of those people are you named.... but I have many GF guildmates and they aren't QQing over not getting Great Success. In fact, they only complain when the infrequent and unexpected happens that they DON'T get great success - and then they're complaining they got tied up on their way and couldn't get there from the start.
There's more to getting Great Success than raw DPS - it takes the various classes into account and gives appropriate rankings based on your effectiveness. If you don't get GS, you weren't effective. That doesn't mean you didn't get as much DPS. It means you're not as effective with you class. So.. go learn how to play your class better rather than cry that others are better than you. Simple as that. Not sure what you really expect to happen when the fault here is yours.
Sekhmet@kvetchus_
Guilds: Greycloaks, Blackcloaks, Whitecloaks, Goldcloaks, Browncloaks, Spiritcloaks, Bluecloaks, Silvercloaks, Black Dawn
Tredecim: The Cloak Alliance
^^I like dis guy. More betterer engrish den me :cool:
You played almost from the first day and have zero idea about classes and about this game.
Any way if you play from beta and dont know good players then this is your fault or your bad rep.
Agan this is feedback not Troll thread if you have no feedback then dont write soo simple.
DPS = Damage per second. Burst damage is not DPS, so CW HR SW TR outrun us and even our fellow GWF is better at dealing dmg.
sorry, do u use KV? if so then this doesn t counts for me, cause of course you will take the most dmg => great success.
WTF, yes that was constructive feedback. Made a whole lotta sense to
So, you are asking how everyone else tanks, assumes that everyone that obtains Great Success is using a Conqueror build, and whne a LOT reply that they obtain Great Success by NOT using Conqueror you claim that using Knight's Valor doesn't "counts for you". Honestly I don't care what "counts for you" cause it's kinda obvious that you must be the worst tank ever in this game
Eh... lost any point with that statement. Original post was about how the event was terrible because GFs can't get ever get a great success. But they have a skill that almost guarantees them great success. Refusing to use that skill and then complaining about the consequences seems downright silly. No matter how cheesy.
I mean, on my SW I hate dreadtheft. I don't like the way it targets. I think it looks gaudy. And I dislike being forced to use it. But combined with other stuff its by far his strongest power. I'm not going to refuse to use it and complain about being weak at the same time. That'd just be silly. And that is what you are doing with GF/KV.
As for the rewards...well, yea...they seem fair to me and require appropriate effort .. and not too much randomness, so overall...pretty good job.
it doesn t counts cause it s freaking bugged you find it fair to take 50% dmg from 30 people you alone? Everyone loves it and everyone kisses it s *** but it s not something to love or be proud of. GF shouldn t be considered and played as a martyr who dies for your sins. You should pay for your own mistakes that s why KV is not something to use in a HE or in PVP. A tank should tank with the mobs with no KV, jump in a pile of mobs in a dungeon and control them that s how you tank not sitting like a turtle and prema guard. And that s something that most GF out there (former GWFs) don t like they like the easy way around everything
The original post was about feedback good or bad.
MY point was :i am sick of HEs .
And i say how awesome was Respen VS Siege.
The best reward is the horn what is not worth the time to grind it .(and i also say the desing of horn animation is awesome)
Melee classes and support classes have disadvantage in this event and on all HE s.
Absolutely boring and unrewarding.
I think ppl lead this thread into a wrong direction .(this shoud be feedback not troll thread )
Nobody Q.Q here.
And agan if you dont give feedback dont post soo simple.
I am sure devs can take negative critic not just positively critic.
As has been pointed out many times, this is just wrong. Melee and Support? That's mostly GWF, TR, GF, and DC. None of them have a problem getting great success unless you hinder yourself. Focus on the HEs you are good at. Slack and chill during the ones you don't think you'll do great at anyway.
As for being tired of HEs in general. I can understand that. I disagree. I think they're fun. But I can understand where you are coming from. You'd probably have a lot less people calling you out on it though, if you left off the "GFs are Disadvantaged" stuff though. Since its just not true.