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warbong1
Member Posts: 28 Arc User
..if you're melee and enjoy dungeons because guess what? You aren't needed since groups just want to stack CW's and a healer because its faster and easier. Its almost comical how easily they could have fixed this by only allowing a max of 2 identical classes in any given group. But here we are almost a year later and still the same <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Want to play top end dungeons as melee...forget it son, unless you're a first timer and can share the Valindra quest. This will buy you one run.
And now we have the new hunter ranger so the only thing accomplished by my supposed fix would be grps with 2 cw's, 2 hr's and a healer. This game is just brutal for melee unless you get a guild that has sympathy for you and might be running an easy Pirate King.
Anyways flame on...
And now we have the new hunter ranger so the only thing accomplished by my supposed fix would be grps with 2 cw's, 2 hr's and a healer. This game is just brutal for melee unless you get a guild that has sympathy for you and might be running an easy Pirate King.
Anyways flame on...
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KN valor frequently bugs out and becomes unuseable. Been that way for ages, no word afaik that it's even being worked on. Kn challenge - really? CW can easily dodge boss aoe, its the adds that are the prob. Also, if you are already tanking boss then the dmg reduction from kn challenge won't be needed either.
But yeah, 3x CW instead of fighters is still the best comp for harder bosses. Their increased dps and (slightly) lower control just means an additional cw makes even more sense. If you need to choose between a party with:
0 cw or 0 GF
0 cw or 0 GWF
0 cw or 0 HR
0 cw or 0 TR
which will you pick? obviously you want that cw in any comparison. I left out DC since its the only healer, but honestly you can even say a cw is more important at draco/mc/vt boss fights. It's clearly the favourite kid and designed to be op.
It's not just that. Including a gwf in your dungeon group changes a 3/3 run into a 2/3. Sure, there might be the one niche here or there. Gwf using Slam in VT is the one that everybody mentions. Good luck by the way to refill your whole AP in less than 40 sec with zero AP-generating powers. So, even in this one and only situation where the gwf is supposed to be useful somehow, a CW will perform better.
Cryptic has created many dungeons but there are all pretty much the same with different skins. A big inert giant thing in the middle, tons of adds, tons of adds, tons of adds. And for this one and only pattern that Cryptic keeps cloning with each new dungeon, the ideal group pattern remains also the same.
There definitely should be dungeons where you need three GFs. And some where you need 3 DCs. And some where a TR being in the group will guarantee the wipe.
I did run a bunch of PK's yesterday with 2 CW's. But we did not use a DC so I might be forgiven for that since we did it for speed. Still had GWF/TR with us! (and a ranger)
But you will be hard pressed to find people like me. If they don't glitch (which 99% of all are), they want a CW party. Why? People are just plain bad at the game. Much of the reason is because they always glitch so they never learn.
Kids with no patience = CW parties and exploits!
PM me in game, I can bring you places!
"Use glitches and get the gear you don't deserve NOW! No bans guaranteed"
i dont pug only because its 99% glitching, but i dont have trouble getting parties as gwf or topping the damage charts, though before i got gear it was impossible to get a party outside of a guild, always runner/can glitch x boss req, and legit community is too empty
But i can tell y 1 thing the new gwf paragon path can hold 10 adds at 1 spot every one in my team is happy to have me and always amazed what i can do not even a single mob escape from Sarevok's wrath.
+ GWF can do more single target dps aganst valindra or any other boss then CW so i think GWF usefull agan and i also think TR too.
With GWF TR combo y can do any t2 insta LEGIT.For VT and MC & CN you need 5 ppl .
I more&more think about the only class suffer from M2 was CW.
I am not sure hou usfull will be HR but i am disapointed on his melee dmg.
GF will be the new boss tank we need all new setups ,you can't do dung runs as before y need new setup and new logic.
Whit high regen def L.S i managed to complite solo karrundax full Legit way . What more do y want ? I can tell any one my secret the 2 best armor is not Titan & Avatar of War
For PvE:
- GWF has the best damage out there, better than most CWs
- the last dungeon, VT, has NO NEED for more than a CW - if done legit. The CWs are the worst possible choice at the last fight and a liability to the party with their squishiness and limited avoidance/immunity mechanics
Guilds that look at members in terms of the players place more emphasis on the player than their numbers. Guilds that look at members in terms of the numbers they put out place more emphasis on the numbers than the player.
I consider guilds that place more emphasis on their members than the numbers they can put out to be good, and I would much rather be a part of that type of guild than a numbers focused one.
You cant have both pvp&pve!
This is an add heavy game so level an aoe speced Gwf or aoe speced tank. They are needed in dungeons.
Good gwfs are also a must in MC 3/3.
the gwf in pve shld be more like aoe built and capable of atleast keeping mobs away from ur team mates for 5 to 10 secs,
if gwf players do that they can be invited in any dungeon. well havent played neverwinter after mod2 so cant say about cn but in preview servers b4 launch to do legit gwf were needed.
There are just a couple of dungeons (CN, for instance), where people usually play with 3 CWs, 1 DC and 1 DPS, which can be a TR or GWF (nowdays the HR could fit this role as well), but I had successful runs with parties using a GF too.
There are exploiters that demand 3 CWs for Karrundax or Temple of Spider simply because you can't exploit them from melee range. I've run, however, those dungeons with all kinds of party compositions, including parties with no DC, no TR, just 1 CW, you name it.
What do you mean a cw and a "dps"?
Since when we are referring to melees as dps...?
if the gwf encounters placed o all mobs as the gwf planned he can easily dps near about any high rank cw too. and that 1 dps refers too dot dps and not aoe.
and gwf and tr are that dps which have more dot dps than ur aoe dps and also keep the boss at 1 place not like cw always dodging resulting in boss movement.
Send me a message, I'd love to join a guild where I can get a group as a TR within 15 minutes of logging on after work/school.
about current roles , I see this:
1 - gwf : the gwf currently follows the philosophy of " why control whether I can kill ? " . one cw + gwf ( swordmaster / destroyer ) has done a good team in this regard. I do not say that the class is a necessity, but a plan b .
2 - gf : I had and still have the impression that the cw no longer controls so well as before ... or being induced to it, which values the tank ... Especially with the ranger ...
3 - rogue : I must admit that ... if you have a party in , is to dps the boss . if the circumstances are bad for the rogue , he gets moved . perhaps the new path has an answer for that , I do not know . The future of the class depends on individual performances .
anyway , some things are not going to change . the cw is inherently the best class, but it reached its critical point . Invested in debuff to enhance the role of support while they took her autonomy. For better or for worse , hopefully not longer change .
By DPS I mean single target DPS or boss fight. CWs have very poor single target DPS and thus people usually bring a TR or GWF to kill the boss.
+1
I always find it hilarious when posters and even moderators suggest the best way to get round obviously broken mechanics is to join a guild.....
the only escape of glitches and abuses is something that WoW devs did , NW devs can do the same .... mobs/bosses to get immunity from dmg if they cant their target due the line of sight or wall shots
so your premise is "WoW devs made that call which could be described as lazy or a mistake" and thus it's ok for others to do the same.
I'm going to put my hand in a fire now, I expect you'll be beside me in A&E also yes?