Do different quality assets make a difference when forging items?

thestaggy

I want to make a slotted blue shirt but I do not have a chisel. I bought a worn chisel just to see if it would work and I see that it would be possible for me to now carry out the task. The chisel says it gives an 8% quality bonus. What would be the difference between forging this shirt with a worn chisel vs an epic (purple) chisel?

knightfalz

I can't answer you with specifics unfortunately, and the one I know that could doesn't have access to the Internet at the moment as her service is down. I will pass along what she said, so far as I understand it, and hope it is helpful to some degree until another crafter responds, or she is back online and can post.

She said to have the best chance to make a slotted item you will need to have a purple worker, along with all the assets used in the manufacture being purple as well. With that, she says the chance will be 60% to get a slotted item (still not all that wonderful, considering the amount of investment to get the purple worker and assets).

She did not specify what change in chance there would be from just having a purple chisel, but said it would be a marginal improvement, and that all of the above would be needed for a decent chance.

manplow

Higher-quality tools give you a better chance of crafting higher tier items. Rare and epic item crafting tasks usually have two or three tiers of items it can result in, wiht higher tiers having better stats. Using better tools is how you achieve those higher tiers. At first whne you're poor, you cna buy four worn chisels (or equivalents) with gold, and use the three extra in the optional slots, and as each worn chisel gives you 8% quality bonus, this will give you a 32% chance of getting a tier 2 item. To get a tier 3 (usually the one with a socket), you would need a big enough quality bonus from your four tool assets to fill the bars in the bottom window far enough that they overflow into the tier 3 territory, and then hope that you "roll" a tier 3.

Worker assets, such as blacksmiths and whatnot, give you shorter crafting times, up to 50% with purple workers, I think. They make crafting faster, but if you're diligent in your crafting, a high quality worker can improve your income from professions by a whole lot. I think you need quality workers to craft the best craftable weapons in Weaponsmithing and Artificing too, I'd have to check.

thestaggy

Thanks for the feedback. Makes sense now. Well, I cannot afford a million AD for a purple tool, so I will see what I can do with a batch of rubbish chisels.

sevdai

I'm the one Knightfalz was trying to relay for, internet came back on. Yay!

The worn tools will allow you to get the job done, but the chances of getting anything higher than a tier one item is about nil.

In the instance you are referring to, a chisel is a required asset. There are also three additional slots that you have the choice to fill to up your chances on the tier of item being crafted. Either that or to increase the speed at which it is crafted. Since you are wishing to make a gemmed item, you will need a total of four assets (tools) at a higher grade than just the worn one that you can purchase from the profession supplies vendor. The items that mailsmithing uses are chisel, tongs and hammer. You will need four altogether.

As for the exact percentage you gain with each level tool, there are several (worn - gray, green - uncommon 18%, blue - rare 24%, and purple - epic 40%) to choose from. Each level gives a higher percentage of a quality bonus. Obviously, if you purple them all out, that will give you the highest chance to get that tier three, gemmed shirt/pants but even then it is only a 60% at level 20 for the profession.

I hope this helps!

blankfanclub

You can use any quality worker, it won't affect the quality result of the item that you're trying to craft. Worker quality only affects crafting duration. You can try investing on green/blue tool assets; raise the % of yielding highest tier of the item you intend to craft that way. I think with 2 blue + 3 green you can hit 100% so you don't need to invest on epic tools.

sevdai

blankfanclub wrote: »

You can use any quality worker, it won't affect the quality result of the item that you're trying to craft. Worker quality only affects crafting duration. You can try investing on green/blue tool assets; raise the % of yielding highest tier of the item you intend to craft that way. I think with 2 blue + 3 green you can hit 100% so you don't need to invest on epic tools.

The thing is, even with four epic tools, you still only have a 60% chance to make a gemmed, tier three shirt/pants. Using your logic, I should have a 160% chance at it. Which actually was what I thought as well at first.

knightfalz

The quality of the tools affects the chance of success, but it is not an additive chance as with even all purples sevda only has a 60% chance. Therefore, these figures are used as variables in some equation to the determine the percentage chance of success, not added together to produce a sum that equals that chance.

thestaggy

Thanks sevdai.

So even a stack of worn tools will still give me a paltry 8%? Well that is a bummer and even at 60% I can't justify myself forking out 1 million AD for a tool. My guesstimations say that at ~150,000 AD per piece I'd need to attempt to manufacture & sell 7 items and at only a 60% success rate I'd likely have to try this 10 - 14 times plus throw in the other perishable resources (crystals, lower level pieces) and it does not look too profitable. Maybe eventually down the line, but then there is no guarantee I will be as active as I am down the line to start seeing the profits. Very hit and miss, even at the highest levels.

My other option is to simply purchase a set of gemmed blues from the AH at 60 - 70k (still cheaper than a blue tool) and be done. The difference in base stats are negligible when compared to the epic gemmed items anyway.

vrtesseract

also if you make a max quality or max speed item you get extra crafting slots what I did is I got a bunch of blue mailsmith workers for the speed crafting slot then I passed them to every character I owned and ran the 6 hour gathering mission at max speed. when done I left them on my cleric.

then I got a bunch of blue alchemy crucibles (cause they were really cheap at the time cause it was right after weponsmithing came out)and I passed those to all my characters for quality bonus. when done I left them on my wizard.

beckylunatic

thestaggy wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback. Makes sense now. Well, I cannot afford a million AD for a purple tool, so I will see what I can do with a batch of rubbish chisels.

You should be able to make the rank 2 result about a third of the time, as they add up to 32% bonus quality, which I find actually does work if you spam enough attempts. Fill your bonus slots with hammers when you can, as they're cheaper but provide the same quality bonus.