I have been following this forum for almost 2 years now. Both under this name and under the Cryptic name. When I first signed up I knew it would be about a year before anything tangible would be released so I only checked in every couple of months. When PWE bought Cryptic and the announcement was made that there would be a slight change in development direction I knew there would be a further delay. I will admit I was worried about PWE buying Cryptic and that the game would evolve into something totally alien with only a passing resemblance to D&D. However at this point I am reasonably satisfied that it will be a D&D game, which is keeping my interest alive. I will say though that the longer it takes for the game to launch in at least a Beta version the more my interest wanes. Being older and only having so much time and a new, but promising PnP group launching in my area I will need to decide in which direction my limited free will go. The releasing of teaser videos that really don't say anything is nowhere near as exciting to me as it is for the 15-25 yo set and does not serve to stoke my interest. A firm Beta date would most certainly keep my curiosity going. Unlike others I am fully aware that Beta means bugs, hence the name. I would be willing to play a Beta despite of this, unfortunately for many new gamers bugs in the Beta are intolerable and they will bad mouth the game. I think this is a reason that there has been this long delay.
What if the features are not complete? What if the things are at a stage where those people testing the features actually change them? What if they haven't F&F announced everything and it's not ready? What if all the assumed races and classes are not actually finalized and even released for testing? Maybe that's all true, maybe part of that is, and maybe none of that is.
But the point is, if Beta has not been announced, then they aren't done with internal testing and it's not ready to be viewed by the public for mainly in my opinion the reasons stated by sirsitsalot.
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I'm willing to accept that, perhaps this is the reason. If so couldn't they give us a brief FF Alpha update? Like tell us how it's going with the testing. Just a overview of what's ongoing on would work (for me). Will that. Satisfy everyone? Of course not, but it would be communication, and that's what many here want to establish, a rapport with the dev's.
I have been following this forum for almost 2 years now. Both under this name and under the Cryptic name. When I first signed up I knew it would be about a year before anything tangible would be released so I only checked in every couple of months. When PWE bought Cryptic and the announcement was made that there would be a slight change in development direction I knew there would be a further delay. I will admit I was worried about PWE buying Cryptic and that the game would evolve into something totally alien with only a passing resemblance to D&D. However at this point I am reasonably satisfied that it will be a D&D game, which is keeping my interest alive. I will say though that the longer it takes for the game to launch in at least a Beta version the more my interest wanes. Being older and only having so much time and a new, but promising PnP group launching in my area I will need to decide in which direction my limited free will go. The releasing of teaser videos that really don't say anything is nowhere near as exciting to me as it is for the 15-25 yo set and does not serve to stoke my interest. A firm Beta date would most certainly keep my curiosity going. Unlike others I am fully aware that Beta means bugs, hence the name. I would be willing to play a Beta despite of this, unfortunately for many new gamers bugs in the Beta are intolerable and they will bad mouth the game. I think this is a reason that there has been this long delay.
Yeah I pretty much agree with this, I lost a lot of my excitement when I was picked to beta another MMO without blowing the extensive NDA I agreed to.... there is a lot of D&D in that game....more than any other MMO I have played before and I could easily become completely invested in that game especially considering the lost direction of Neverwinter.
I just think that Cryptic's marketing strategy on this game has hurt it, folks are frustrated and are losing interest fast.......the buzz is now something in January, but before that the Buzz was something in October and before that it was June.
They can easily kick the can down the road again but if they do...I don't think there will be many left around to care. Oh they might check it out when it eventually launches, but they will have lost that excited core base that has been following the game since day one and that is one of the worst things you can do for a MMO.
One thing for long alpja - if there is such a thing i dont know but am just guessing - means suppose there is alpaha test going ton, thet means that guys are shaping up the game - they may give uggestions which cryptic actually hears(I hope it does) and that game game is changes dynamicallbly .
So if tey release PvP and 80% of alphs tester say it is unicornpoop then crypstic takes them solutions and does do it i n game making changes if possible. Thiks means what alphs tester are playing may not be the game we all play but what we will play later will feel much more polished.
Ofscourse alphs testers having shaped it all wont' feel excited about it. do rgar means yhat[[]\ we guys who no play alphs will find game much better tha n alphs tester. so guys who no test alpha may be more happy. though alpha guys fell satisfied by illusion at having somewhat contributed to game polish.
Beta is another matter not like alpja cos reuqirement and details in beta are supposed to be foxed so apart from bugs game requirements wont change.
is i makes sense? btw, thisnis just a SUPPOdfSITON just a Supposition!
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ranncoreMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2,508
edited December 2012
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Beta is another matter not like alpja cos reuqirement and details in beta are supposed to be foxed so apart from bugs game requirements wont change.
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A lot of games pull out of closed and open beta far too early. PWE has a record of using open beta as a marketing test instead of using it for bug fixes and making adjustments to gameplay due to unforeseen circumstances or problems.
I'm hoping that Cryptic has predicted as much and thus is the reason for extended alpha testing.
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited December 2012
Well, the lack of a beta ironically then is a good PWE sign they are taking their time in testing I think.
Yeah what Gil posted I hope is what they are doing!
One thing for long alpja - if there is such a thing i dont know but am just guessing - means suppose there is alpaha test going ton, thet means that guys are shaping up the game - they may give uggestions which cryptic actually hears(I hope it does) and that game game is changes dynamicallbly .
So if tey release PvP and 80% of alphs tester say it is unicornpoop then crypstic takes them solutions and does do it i n game making changes if possible. Thiks means what alphs tester are playing may not be the game we all play but what we will play later will feel much more polished.
Ofscourse alphs testers having shaped it all wont' feel excited about it. do rgar means yhat[[]\ we guys who no play alphs will find game much better tha n alphs tester. so guys who no test alpha may be more happy. though alpha guys fell satisfied by illusion at having somewhat contributed to game polish.
Beta is another matter not like alpja cos reuqirement and details in beta are supposed to be foxed so apart from bugs game requirements wont change.
is i makes sense? btw, thisnis just a SUPPOdfSITON just a Supposition!
Um...Gillrmn, are you drunk? Normally you're a bit easier to understand. I'm assuming you mean that everyone should calm down and wait a bit. Yea, some people are gonna leave but they'll get over it, and when they hear about beta release they'll come back. For all those who say they're tired of waiting, go play something else, forget about this, set a computer reminder to look at it in a couple weeks. I walked away for a month and feel much better about it now. A month's worth of stuff has happened, and going through it all has refreshed my want of this game.
I am not sure, don't remember typing it. But the guy must be.... I mean I must be trying to say that in alpha testing requirements are not fixed while in beta requirements are fixed. So what people play in alpha is not something which can even be called a cohesive form of game. While beta you can see what game is and can "play" it.
Conversely, in alpha, by giving feedback you have the opportunity to shape the game much more than beta.
However when the final product comes out, alpha tester never fells that euphoric feeling because that person has seen worst shaping up and becoming something good. So while new players say - "Its awesome!" alpha tester feels, "... ... yeah, you can say that .... maybe...".
So in short, those who want a preview to the game, being a part of alpha testing can spoil their fun.
Beta testing however, requirements have been fixed and what you see would be what you will be getting - except for bugs. So basically you have almost the same UI, customization, graphics etc.,
So while beta is when you take the car for test drive, alpha is more like a platform on which an engine with steering wheel has been fixed and you are asked to drive it "indoors".
I hope they take their time. I am ready to play even if its next Christmas. There is one company out there that doesn't take their time and are on the verge of a big exodus by long time players. I just hope that at launch there is a system to deal, long term, with L......A.....G.
I hope they take their time. I am ready to play even if its next Christmas. There is one company out there that doesn't take their time and are on the verge of a big exodus by long time players. I just hope that at launch there is a system to deal, long term, with L......A.....G.
Honestly they could take their own sweet time and I would be fine with that......what's pissing off so many people is the lack of communication during the wait.
Thier marketing team just doesn't seem to have a clue. Andy Velasquez said a couple times that "I can't talk about that the marketing guys will kill me".... and he's the lead producer, I have seen Lead Producers tear marketing a new one when they try to stifle information too much I just don't understand why Cryptic's marketing team wields so much power or why they refuse to let any information about the game be released.
It's silly we are getting more information from leaked videos of the Friends and Family test ( which are being leaked by PWE employees) than we are through official channels
Honestly they could take their own sweet time and I would be fine with that......what's pissing off so many people is the lack of communication during the wait.
Thier marketing team just doesn't seem to have a clue. Andy Velasquez said a couple times that "I can't talk about that the marketing guys will kill me".... and he's the lead producer, I have seen Lead Producers tear marketing a new one when they try to stifle information too much I just don't understand why Cryptic's marketing team wields so much power or why they refuse to let any information about the game be released.
It's silly we are getting more information from leaked videos of the Friends and Family test ( which are being leaked by PWE employees) than we are through official channels
As lead developer, he has the influence to release information if he wishes, but is complying with the general consensus of the company's current release timeline, however that was worked out since the last beta delay. Just because a person can release information doesn't mean they will though.
I'll leave it at that.
As lead developer, he has the influence to release information if he wishes, but is complying with the general consensus of the company's current release timeline, however that was worked out since the last beta delay. Just because a person can release information doesn't mean they will though.
I'll leave it at that.
Oh I understand that, seen that situation before and have seen LP's tell the marketing guy to STFU it's just becoming clear that other things are going on and the community isn't responding well...just look at the responses to their Happy Holiday blurb on the main page.
The problem also is that character customization has not been properly discussed yet - at all. Nor the plans if multiclassing is in their list for the future or not. This has lead people to believe (for they use Murphy's law while believing) that there would only be 3-4 cookie cutter builds like daggerdale.
So they think that they are waiting for something which essentially for them will be unfinished product (in absence of proper character customization).
I am curious as to how cryptic will dispell this belief (they will have to - whether by lies or facts).
EDIT: Btw, it seems icewind made it in campaigns - probably.
This has lead people to believe (for they use Murphy's law while believing) that there would only be 3-4 cookie cutter builds like daggerdale.
Actually, that probably has more to do with the fact that this board only has discussion areas for four classes: Rogue, Wizard, Fighter and Cleric. It's been that way for some time. These are the only classes they've discussed AND any requests for info about any additional classes at launch - whether free or otherwise - is ignored.
If the game is going into invite beta testing soon, then (going by Cryptic's normal beta scheduling) launch is only a couple of months after that. The game may launch well within six months and we don't even know what classes are available for the beta test? THAT is what makes people believe that there are only four classes, cookie cutter or otherwise.
Actually, that probably has more to do with the fact that this board only has discussion areas for four classes: Rogue, Wizard, Fighter and Cleric. It's been that way for some time. These are the only classes they've discussed AND any requests for info about any additional classes at launch - whether free or otherwise - is ignored.
If the game is going into invite beta testing soon, then (going by Cryptic's normal beta scheduling) launch is only a couple of months after that. The game may launch well within six months and we don't even know what classes are available for the beta test? THAT is what makes people believe that there are only four classes, cookie cutter or otherwise.
Currently you can pick between all the announced classes as well as a few unannounced classes. Each class additionally lets you choose a paragon class when you hit the right level, complete with its own feats, powers and gear. I don't know if a freeform class option will be available at launch.
Actually, that probably has more to do with the fact that this board only has discussion areas for four classes: Rogue, Wizard, Fighter and Cleric. It's been that way for some time. ....
Actually I have been suggesting them for quite a while now. First of all, choice of title for the forums is wrong. It should be based on roles - leader, striker, controller and defender. Or it should be based on source - Martial, divine, arcane, primal and psionic.
The names they currently have are very vague.
They definitely have more classes though. Two-handed fighter has been an open secret for quite a while and there will certainly be more - maybe some other arcane like sorcerer or warlock; maybe one more divine like paladin and probably one martial like ranger.
There is even a future possibility of hybrid or "freebuild" as crypticmapolis puts it. But yeah, they need to talk about it clearly to people otherwise this is only going to generate negative publicity irrespective of their classes being good or bad.
And? Did you just choose to ignore the point of my post, that if this game enters beta within the next three months, the game will likely launch in six, and we don't even know the classes yet?
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The Control Wizard does not, however there will be incoming caster classes that do.
Looking forward to warlock, one of the last remaining 4E core classes not talked about yet. I mean, they got Tiefling, isn't it an inevitability in a good way? And that would put the rest if we're playing a striker or controller finally. Dang it, I want FIRE slinging magic gods dang it!
Looking forward to warlock, one of the last remaining 4E core classes not talked about yet. I mean, they got Tiefling, isn't it an inevitability in a good way? And that would put the rest if we're playing a striker or controller finally. Dang it, I want FIRE slinging magic gods dang it!
[Infernal] Warlock is a gimp class in 4e.
oops! pressed post before explaining. In 4e, Asmodeus shares his power as a god. So a warlock of Asmodeus is an invoker and a divine - evil one though.
All warlocks(infernal) are thus contractee of lower class devils.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited December 2012
I also want to travel to the Magefair and take part in the fireball shooting contest. Mmmm... Elminster at the Magefair. I bet he'd be there!
And? Did you just choose to ignore the point of my post, that if this game enters beta within the next three months, the game will likely launch in six, and we don't even know the classes yet?
Yet...all that could change tomorrow and we do know that there are going to be a lot more than what has been announced now. So much for the four cookie cutter classes you were complaining about earlier.
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited December 2012
And to continue from above, did you choose to ignore the information given to us after said long information drought, and also now you know exactly how long the beta will be plus the number of guaranteed classes there will be?
Sheesh. First users complain there is no info, now we are told (thanks Mapolis!) they are working to test the existing andunknown classes; other users claim we only have four classes in a beta date length of their listing?
This is the first free to play ground up AAA game, so not only is that new, but testing for the game of the D&D magnitude and Cryptic's first time outside of the-publisher-starting-with-A-that-won't-be-named-here in years, and is with PWE, meaning a whole new distribution setup.
Maybe the beta is three months, maybe it's three weeks, maybe it's another year. The point is nobody but Cryptic and PWE will say how long the game's beta periods are both closed and open and what classes will and won't make it to these stages, not the players.
Reading a few more posts, I wonder if crypticmapolis was misunderstood by many. He didn't actually gave a lot of information - nor some groundbreaking feature, just a confirmation of a few things.
For example I read somewhere someone talking about mounted combat(?) which would certainly not be there actually. Attacking from mount is considered in a few more game and is mostly a cosmetic factor - first strike(not very effective) and then mount disappears.
The only main thing he said was PvP foundry maps, PvP being group Vs group and confirmation of skills which would be used as gathering things.
I wonder if many people might have misread or misunderstood his words and then later may feel disappointed and betrayed.
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I'm willing to accept that, perhaps this is the reason. If so couldn't they give us a brief FF Alpha update? Like tell us how it's going with the testing. Just a overview of what's ongoing on would work (for me). Will that. Satisfy everyone? Of course not, but it would be communication, and that's what many here want to establish, a rapport with the dev's.
Yeah I pretty much agree with this, I lost a lot of my excitement when I was picked to beta another MMO without blowing the extensive NDA I agreed to.... there is a lot of D&D in that game....more than any other MMO I have played before and I could easily become completely invested in that game especially considering the lost direction of Neverwinter.
I just think that Cryptic's marketing strategy on this game has hurt it, folks are frustrated and are losing interest fast.......the buzz is now something in January, but before that the Buzz was something in October and before that it was June.
They can easily kick the can down the road again but if they do...I don't think there will be many left around to care. Oh they might check it out when it eventually launches, but they will have lost that excited core base that has been following the game since day one and that is one of the worst things you can do for a MMO.
So if tey release PvP and 80% of alphs tester say it is unicornpoop then crypstic takes them solutions and does do it i n game making changes if possible. Thiks means what alphs tester are playing may not be the game we all play but what we will play later will feel much more polished.
Ofscourse alphs testers having shaped it all wont' feel excited about it. do rgar means yhat[[]\ we guys who no play alphs will find game much better tha n alphs tester. so guys who no test alpha may be more happy. though alpha guys fell satisfied by illusion at having somewhat contributed to game polish.
Beta is another matter not like alpja cos reuqirement and details in beta are supposed to be foxed so apart from bugs game requirements wont change.
is i makes sense? btw, thisnis just a SUPPOdfSITON just a Supposition!
Beta is another matter not like alpja cos reuqirement and details in beta are supposed to be foxed so apart from bugs game requirements wont change.
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A lot of games pull out of closed and open beta far too early. PWE has a record of using open beta as a marketing test instead of using it for bug fixes and making adjustments to gameplay due to unforeseen circumstances or problems.
I'm hoping that Cryptic has predicted as much and thus is the reason for extended alpha testing.
Yeah what Gil posted I hope is what they are doing!
No alignment No gods where is dnd and fr
looks like action base mmo is the up and coming this is no longer the selling pt
i know D&D but whats FR? probably something stupid i should remember or know but the mind has lost many many brain cells
feel silly now?
FR= Forgotten Realms, the campaign setting of Neverwinter.
psh it's christmas
i think now that you mention it ile have a smoke. and maybe play some Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition.
I know that's off topic, but is anyone else enjoying this in the meantime?
Um...Gillrmn, are you drunk? Normally you're a bit easier to understand. I'm assuming you mean that everyone should calm down and wait a bit. Yea, some people are gonna leave but they'll get over it, and when they hear about beta release they'll come back. For all those who say they're tired of waiting, go play something else, forget about this, set a computer reminder to look at it in a couple weeks. I walked away for a month and feel much better about it now. A month's worth of stuff has happened, and going through it all has refreshed my want of this game.
Conversely, in alpha, by giving feedback you have the opportunity to shape the game much more than beta.
However when the final product comes out, alpha tester never fells that euphoric feeling because that person has seen worst shaping up and becoming something good. So while new players say - "Its awesome!" alpha tester feels, "... ... yeah, you can say that .... maybe...".
So in short, those who want a preview to the game, being a part of alpha testing can spoil their fun.
Beta testing however, requirements have been fixed and what you see would be what you will be getting - except for bugs. So basically you have almost the same UI, customization, graphics etc.,
So while beta is when you take the car for test drive, alpha is more like a platform on which an engine with steering wheel has been fixed and you are asked to drive it "indoors".
Honestly they could take their own sweet time and I would be fine with that......what's pissing off so many people is the lack of communication during the wait.
Thier marketing team just doesn't seem to have a clue. Andy Velasquez said a couple times that "I can't talk about that the marketing guys will kill me".... and he's the lead producer, I have seen Lead Producers tear marketing a new one when they try to stifle information too much I just don't understand why Cryptic's marketing team wields so much power or why they refuse to let any information about the game be released.
It's silly we are getting more information from leaked videos of the Friends and Family test ( which are being leaked by PWE employees) than we are through official channels
As lead developer, he has the influence to release information if he wishes, but is complying with the general consensus of the company's current release timeline, however that was worked out since the last beta delay. Just because a person can release information doesn't mean they will though.
I'll leave it at that.
Oh I understand that, seen that situation before and have seen LP's tell the marketing guy to STFU it's just becoming clear that other things are going on and the community isn't responding well...just look at the responses to their Happy Holiday blurb on the main page.
So they think that they are waiting for something which essentially for them will be unfinished product (in absence of proper character customization).
I am curious as to how cryptic will dispell this belief (they will have to - whether by lies or facts).
EDIT: Btw, it seems icewind made it in campaigns - probably.
Actually, that probably has more to do with the fact that this board only has discussion areas for four classes: Rogue, Wizard, Fighter and Cleric. It's been that way for some time. These are the only classes they've discussed AND any requests for info about any additional classes at launch - whether free or otherwise - is ignored.
If the game is going into invite beta testing soon, then (going by Cryptic's normal beta scheduling) launch is only a couple of months after that. The game may launch well within six months and we don't even know what classes are available for the beta test? THAT is what makes people believe that there are only four classes, cookie cutter or otherwise.
*Ahem*
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?23621-Meet-the-developers&p=365691&viewfull=1#post365691
Actually I have been suggesting them for quite a while now. First of all, choice of title for the forums is wrong. It should be based on roles - leader, striker, controller and defender. Or it should be based on source - Martial, divine, arcane, primal and psionic.
The names they currently have are very vague.
They definitely have more classes though. Two-handed fighter has been an open secret for quite a while and there will certainly be more - maybe some other arcane like sorcerer or warlock; maybe one more divine like paladin and probably one martial like ranger.
There is even a future possibility of hybrid or "freebuild" as crypticmapolis puts it. But yeah, they need to talk about it clearly to people otherwise this is only going to generate negative publicity irrespective of their classes being good or bad.
And? Did you just choose to ignore the point of my post, that if this game enters beta within the next three months, the game will likely launch in six, and we don't even know the classes yet?
Looking forward to warlock, one of the last remaining 4E core classes not talked about yet. I mean, they got Tiefling, isn't it an inevitability in a good way?
[Infernal] Warlock is a gimp class in 4e.
oops! pressed post before explaining. In 4e, Asmodeus shares his power as a god. So a warlock of Asmodeus is an invoker and a divine - evil one though.
All warlocks(infernal) are thus contractee of lower class devils.
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Yet...all that could change tomorrow and we do know that there are going to be a lot more than what has been announced now. So much for the four cookie cutter classes you were complaining about earlier.
Sheesh. First users complain there is no info, now we are told (thanks Mapolis!) they are working to test the existing and unknown classes; other users claim we only have four classes in a beta date length of their listing?
This is the first free to play ground up AAA game, so not only is that new, but testing for the game of the D&D magnitude and Cryptic's first time outside of the-publisher-starting-with-A-that-won't-be-named-here in years, and is with PWE, meaning a whole new distribution setup.
Maybe the beta is three months, maybe it's three weeks, maybe it's another year. The point is nobody but Cryptic and PWE will say how long the game's beta periods are both closed and open and what classes will and won't make it to these stages, not the players.
For example I read somewhere someone talking about mounted combat(?) which would certainly not be there actually. Attacking from mount is considered in a few more game and is mostly a cosmetic factor - first strike(not very effective) and then mount disappears.
The only main thing he said was PvP foundry maps, PvP being group Vs group and confirmation of skills which would be used as gathering things.
I wonder if many people might have misread or misunderstood his words and then later may feel disappointed and betrayed.