Ultimate enchanting stones are too rare.

ltgamesttv

I opened 250 lockboxes today. Zero ultimate enchanting stones. In 30 To9G zero ultimate enchanting stones. I officially will stop backing this game with money until this nonsense is changed. Our bonding runestones were nerfed from 95% to 55% per at rank 12. Upgrading them and our other enchants to gain back a portion of that power is locked behind money gated RNG.

This is not an acceptable way to treat clients. This RNG for stones gated behind legendary dragon keys and lockboxes with unbelievable RNG odds against you. Please fix this, make these more readily available somewhere.

@nitocris83

tom

+1

darthpotater

True. They should be buyable with seals of the brave

wizzl3

+1

bluangeluk

+1

gankdalf

So this is now a Pay to play game.

scratchees

i agree this mod is like we are be'n penalized in a few ways for be'n good\loyal players.

gankdalf

scratchees said:

i agree this mod is like we are be'n penalized in a few ways for be'n good\loyal players.

Maybe they trying to cash out before game is dead.

tadyt

+1

asterotg

Or just give us one as a reward for a weekly in the new campain. This way ppl can either make some ADs, spent some ADs or grind for ~80 weeks, to get one char back to BIS.

bobby4700

To those that don't play 1 of the chosen class's it's even harder to get we all know that only GWF is the main dps for tong groups and if u not paladin or cleric u got shafted on this . people that play other class"s have little chance at them then to get nothing is"Ultimate Slap in Face"

spideymt

Im just curious:
Is there any official feedback to all the claims about this module 12b? Or is silence the new answer to all of the claims?
Rnd queues, bounding nerfs, ultimate sone drop rate ...etc. When will some one answer? Or did they? Plz link it. Thx

marv700

They really don't care, or else they wouldn't have inflicted this on us.

callumf

I don't buy in to the fact that "they" don't care. It is someone's responsibility to ensure this game makes money. My guess is they will wait till they see the sales figures for October and November then make a decision on whether this new module has earned them more cash. If sales drop I expect a change to the Q system and not before.

nem3ziss

Can we at least have a quest or method to get bta Ultimate Enchanting Stones? If you are worried about game economy i can understand, but preventing people from getting BiS and hiding needed items in end game dungeon where only certain classes are welcome or boxes is not a good idea. Add something that will allow everyone to progress in the same rate. You want it to be endgame reward? Sure, add a new weekly to get a BTA UES - at least this if you dont want/cant change what system you implemented to live with mod 12b.

hastati96

+1
20+ tong runs and not even 1 stone. I will stop running this dungeon until they increase the drop rate. Currently it feels more like a waste of time than farming the stones for the R14 enchants. I am definetly disappointed.
Letting us buy the enchanting stones for seals would be a great option.

preechr

+1
unless the intended effect was to have these rare drops cost as much as they do on the AH, this needs to be fixed sooner rather to bring costs down to reasonable prices, as the increase to enchant level came hand in hand with a nerf to bonding stones

ultimatefgt123

+1

Drop rate is waaaay too low.

reg1981

I'm surprised to read this, I pulled 6 over the weekend from approx 50 keys. I'm not running T9G for them because I don't have it open yet but RNG must have been in my favor this weekend. I should have bought a lotto ticket!

odnnauq

> @bobby4700 said:
> To those that don't play 1 of the chosen class's it's even harder to get we all know that only GWF is the main dps for tong groups and if u not paladin or cleric u got shafted on this . people that play other class"s have little chance at them then to get nothing is"Ultimate Slap in Face"

Those people that wanted the nerf and wanted to nerf DCs...this is what we get. Before the nerf, some very well geared dps can finish ToNG. Not anymore
> @preechr#2215 said:
> +1
> unless the intended effect was to have these rare drops cost as much as they do on the AH, this needs to be fixed sooner rather to bring costs down to reasonable prices, as the increase to enchant level came hand in hand with a nerf to bonding stones

At least we can buy the stone in AH. I wish I can spend 1million AD to buy a 2-slot companion gears that I wanted. I have been grinding IG till my eyes hurt and still not get a neck piece with 2 slots. The drop rate on +4 gears are abysmal and when you get them, it's not the one you wanted. Please allow people to sell them so at least there is a way to get them when you get really bad luck.

hustin1

Opened around 650 lockboxes.

One (1) Ultimate Enchanting Stone.

ONE.

Really, devs? Really?

namelesshero347

30 keys and zero drop for me. After seeing the dev response, or lack of, to the +5 ring drops, it would not surprise me if they want R13 and R14 to be super special and rare. Or at the very least, very, very expensive to obtain.

kreatyve

Mod notice: Please respond with more than "+1" to show your support for this thread, as that is typically considered spamming/not providing constructive dialogue. Thanks! Carry on!

mightyeriksson

These sort of items are also very easy to keep the price up on, for the players that like that sort of behavior...

An item that is very desirable/necessary, and at a price where rich players can keep buying up all cheaper stones and re-post them with considerable mark-up.

This is exactly how it's going to play out on Xbox at least, and most likely on all platforms, but I doubt that's what the developers envisioned when coming up with this bright idea on where to get the stone & the very low drop-rate...

silverrrrrrr

I've only gotten 3 of the stones so far. 2 from ToNG, 1 from a lockbox. I know plenty of others who have never seen one drop, and I don't expect to see any more myself anytime soon.

Yes, it's frustrating when we're trying to build ourselves back up from being weaker after 12b, or even if we're just trying to improve in general. However, I don't see it as a problem. It isn't supposed to be easy to attain and maintain end-game status. "End-game" is constantly evolving. Even now, future mods are in progress that will likely bring better gear, harder dungeons, and more challenging content.

In addition, we can't expect to have the latest and greatest stuff so soon after a mod release. It's really just bragging rights until the next mod is released. I know I personally enjoy working to better my characters, and I wouldn't be satisfied if it were handed to me so easily. I enjoy a challenge, and I know that I will eventually have r13/r14 enchantments, so I'm not really bothered by their rarity. The price will drop as more are introduced into the market, anyhow.

Of course, greed makes me wish they were cheaper just like everyone else, but I understand the reasoning and I am content with it.

ltgamesttv

silverrrrrrr said:

I've only gotten 3 of the stones so far. 2 from ToNG, 1 from a lockbox. I know plenty of others who have never seen one drop, and I don't expect to see any more myself anytime soon.

Yes, it's frustrating when we're trying to build ourselves back up from being weaker after 12b, or even if we're just trying to improve in general. However, I don't see it as a problem. It isn't supposed to be easy to attain and maintain end-game status. "End-game" is constantly evolving. Even now, future mods are in progress that will likely bring better gear, harder dungeons, and more challenging content.

In addition, we can't expect to have the latest and greatest stuff so soon after a mod release. It's really just bragging rights until the next mod is released. I know I personally enjoy working to better my characters, and I wouldn't be satisfied if it were handed to me so easily. I enjoy a challenge, and I know that I will eventually have r13/r14 enchantments, so I'm not really bothered by their rarity. The price will drop as more are introduced into the market, anyhow.

Of course, greed makes me wish they were cheaper just like everyone else, but I understand the reasoning and I am content with it.

It's your opinion that it's just bragging rights. This is not the unbiased case however. I'm also not talking about being BIS I'm talking about getting 1 ultimate enchanting stone. This is FAAAR from being BIS. Your argument is biased and not on topic tbh.

I have no desire to instantly be BIS on all my toons, 8 of which were BIS last mod, but to be able to progress at all even after spending a fair amount of money in game is what this is pointing at. It's pay to play and with horrible RNG. There is no excuse for this type of money grabbing phenomenon.

Nerf your playerbase, then force them to pay to get a percentage of it back. I will not support this type of robbery tactic.

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silverrrrrrr

tolkienbuff said:

It's your opinion that it's just bragging rights.

Yes, my whole reply was my opinion.

tolkienbuff said:

I'm also not talking about being BIS I'm talking about getting 1 ultimate enchanting stone. This is FAAAR from being BIS. Your argument is biased and not on topic tbh.

Ultimate enchanting stones are used in the creation of BiS/top-level enchantments. I believe it's relevant, although not 100% on the same topic, I'll admit.

tolkienbuff said:

but to be able to progress at all even after spending a fair amount of money in game is what this is pointing at. It's pay to play

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. No part of Neverwinter is "pay to play." It may take a long time to earn the ultimate enchanting stones, but they are obtainable.

ltgamesttv

silverrrrrrr said:

tolkienbuff said:

It's your opinion that it's just bragging rights.

Yes, my whole reply was my opinion.

tolkienbuff said:

I'm also not talking about being BIS I'm talking about getting 1 ultimate enchanting stone. This is FAAAR from being BIS. Your argument is biased and not on topic tbh.

Ultimate enchanting stones are used in the creation of BiS/top-level enchantments. I believe it's relevant, although not 100% on the same topic, I'll admit.

tolkienbuff said:

but to be able to progress at all even after spending a fair amount of money in game is what this is pointing at. It's pay to play

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. No part of Neverwinter is "pay to play." It may take a long time to earn the ultimate enchanting stones, but they are obtainable.

They are obtainable by paying for dragon keys or lockbox keys. Perhaps pay to progress will better fit. The point is the same in the end.

preechr

This is very much like gating Fartouched Residuum in MSP and Manticore Hides in FBI, in that the highest geared players are the first to get there and are able to control the market on items needed to make what other players need to get the best items in the game... with the exception that I don't believe those rare and expensive crafting items drop from lockboxes

Just make all this stuff purchasable! All this is doing is taking large amounts of money and shifting it from one player to another, not actually taking it out of the game

Mastercrafted Weapons are not SO much more powerful than the new Chult Weapons that they should command a 1000% markup.... that's just ridiculous, and it makes me think our devs are just a little too in love with idea that everybody should have gear that gives random stats at random times with variable up-times...

The real problem comes with these new levels on Enchants and making the required ultimate enchanting stones so RNG-rare... The main reason the bonding nerf didn't cause a mass-exodus from the game was because players were led to believe they could regain those stats they were losing by raising up all their other enchants to r14... The drop-rates were not something that could be tested on this level on Preview, and now that PC players are being shocked at the abysmally low drop-rates from T9G and realizing how much of an investment this is going to be, they are angry.... and this is happening already so soon after the release of 12b

Do you really think this is good for the console communities to be seeing? They were already scared from all the largely unanswered noise generated before the update released... how do you guys think they are going to feel when they can see the true costs of the bonding nerf so long before they get 12b? That's plenty of time to shop around

12b brought some good stuff and some bad stuff, and the bugfix month brings far more good stuff... it may be arguable that the bad stuff is needed to make the game better in the long term (and further arguable that the methods chosen were the best options) but the nature of people is they can easily forget 10,000 great haircuts as soon as you cut off their ear

When you guys (talking to the devs here) feel like you have to cause some pain for some greater good, you really need to know there are some rules you would have come to understand if you had taken a few more government and psych classes on top of your game design and theory classes: Bandaid Rule - Make the necessary pain quickly recoverable, Scapel Rule - Precise surgery is much harder to implement yet much easier to understand than fixing things with Hand Grenades, Metrics Rule - Make one change at a time so you know what fixed the problem, and finally, The I Don't Have a Name For It Because Its Just Common Sense Rule - Make sure the pain you are causing is actually fixing the problem

Taken as one big thing, which is how we players see Mod 12b since we aren't compartmentalized, we are seeing a lot of unnecessary pain here and not a lot of balm... Though a lot of this new stuff is pretty nice, you can't kick someone in the nether regions and then give them a nice hat and expect everything to be fine

Maybe none of you were working for Cryptic when Mod 6 came out... I know I wasn't playing yet... I was looking for a new game at the time and read about how badly that was being handled and took a pass... But the main problem there was not that mistakes were made, just that it took SOOOO long to fix (yes, I'm over-simplifying, but for a larger point)

There is a lot to lose by taking a wait and see position here, and absolutely nothing to be gained

You have several options: Very Publically Do Nothing (aka ignore the players,) Increase the drop rate in T9G (aka duh,) and simply sell ultimate enchanting stones for whatever price you choose

You really don't have the options of increasing the drop rate in lock-boxes or making them a Zen Store purchase because the exchange is locked down now until after Thanksgiving, so the perception would be written in stone that you guys designed this so players would be forced to spend real money and you would endanger your entire F2P base

I suspected the bonding nerf/enchant upgrade thing was a new AD sink and was fine with it, honestly, but now it appears the only money this is taking out of the game is via the AH 10% cut, and you gotta realize that is a finite source of AD, guys

Stabilize the market price of ultimate enchanting stones by selling them directly while giving high level players the option of farming them instead (same with Mastercrafting mats,) and you get a much better AD sink WITHOUT endangering the future of the game, then go fix Random Ques, then work on Mod 13, OK? It would be much better for everyone to do that and THEN wait and see how it works...

TL/DR for @zebular +1

namelesshero347

preechr#2215 said:

All this is doing is taking large amounts of money and shifting it from one player to another, not actually taking it out of the game

I kind of like it the way it is. The AD will mostly be going from the rich players who has to be BiS to the rest of us peons who can win the lockbox lottery. How many other items from a lockbox can you sell for one million? And when it comes to lockbox drops, we are all (should be) equal in our chances of getting a drop. Not like we have to be able to do ToNG to get the stones.

Also, every stone sold on the AH means 10% of its value is removed from the economy.