Class Balance: Guardian Fighter

renesis15400

cerberusforces said:

I think you destroy the last GF's in game after this patch.
Sad i like play my gf but after this "sick balance" i finish my game.
I understand decrease dmg bonus, set boundaries but 30%? All players reaches this bonus after 1 month play.
Steel defence now allows me use Enforced and ITF on orcus, after patch i probably use only 1 skill (if i pursue).

i tell you now i see only few GF. All time in city someone looking good gf for pt. After this patch a lot of people will not feel pleasure of the game and stop play GF.

This is shot in the players knee.

+1

nameexpired

I don't what I am doing wrong. My GF with his 2.4k GS takes forever to finish a lair's boss.
I don't die easily except if I am overwhelmed, but my damage sucks not being BIS.

And I also don't have a pet with 3 R12 bonding stones.

I guess all these nerves will make it impossible for me to do dailies any more. Sad, but true for me.
I know there are GFs out there that eat Orcus for breakfast, but I suspect most GFs are not in that league.

rafaelda

nameexpired said:

I don't what I am doing wrong. My GF with his 2.4k GS takes forever to finish a lair's boss.
I don't die easily except if I am overwhelmed, but my damage sucks not being BIS.

And I also don't have a pet with 3 R12 bonding stones.

I guess all these nerves will make it impossible for me to do dailies any more. Sad, but true for me.
I know there are GFs out there that eat Orcus for breakfast, but I suspect most GFs are not in that league.

Welcome to the OldScholl GF club, to level mine i had fo get help from DPS because everthing used to take forever to kill
Looks like i will need hlep to daily's again...

kemnimtarkas

rafaelda said:

nameexpired said:

I don't what I am doing wrong. My GF with his 2.4k GS takes forever to finish a lair's boss.
I don't die easily except if I am overwhelmed, but my damage sucks not being BIS.

And I also don't have a pet with 3 R12 bonding stones.

I guess all these nerves will make it impossible for me to do dailies any more. Sad, but true for me.
I know there are GFs out there that eat Orcus for breakfast, but I suspect most GFs are not in that league.

Welcome to the OldScholl GF club, to level mine i had fo get help from DPS because everthing used to take forever to kill
Looks like i will need hlep to daily's again...

The problem with the Old School GF was that DPS classes could, with the right equipment / power combos, equal or even surpass a GF's ability to survive even the hardest dungeons, without the need for a tank to soak damage.

I remember the bad days before IWD - GFs would regularly get kicked from dungeon runs right at the start because they were slow and literally added nothing to the team.

I'm willing to wait until the changes in Mod 10 shake out - then decide if it's a good or bad thing for the tank.

mahburg

Here is their Dichotomy now, they make money (lots) from us creating Alts. Now many folks create support characters as Alts (3 of 5 of mine are support). Nerfing these characters repeatedly is a disincentive to creating them, who will touch one from here on?

I have two DPS characters GWF and CW, so they are back nibbling at the Gwf, how long before the whiners get them to hit the CW? Once they do, should they finally release the new Characters (guaranteed to be OP). Do they seriously think most of the hard core will touch them now!

I wont be, these five are my lot until something changes in the approach being taken!

sulajpl

Personally, I'd want to know one thing: With significant ITF change (discussed on proper section), the whole playstyle could have changed. I wonder if there are other paragons valuable now instead of Tact (Protector???) It seems like protection counts now, but how to protect if the massive changes are coming in mod 10?
-i sense disturbance of the force, moving me to another section-

sulajpl

> @airlv14 said:
> Dailies like Villain's Menace already eat up almost 1.5 seconds in activation, leaving only 2 seconds for pve content to survive massive blows such as Orcus.

That's the thing. If the VM was casted WAY faster, everything would be fine so the steel defense nerf wonldn't be the nerf as we see, rather rework. But.. Yea, VM 1,5 sec cast is sufficient for Orcus to deal a killing blow.

kemi1984

Use FR instead...no clue why everyone is forcing themselves to use VM.

FR has a very short animation and it's ,unarguably, the best self heal out there.

sulajpl

If Orcus has no knockbacks with his lashes, why not. [Though VM slow cast is the ONLY drawback of tanking on a gf for me.
I've said 'drawback', but it is too hard word, let's say inconvenience.]

johnjohniii

anyone know if they've updated the change list or is it still going through as originally planned?

cerberusforces

Steel defence after patch will be useless, 30% att bonus it's a joke, it doesnt metter you play 2 months or 2 years, it will be the same.
I create gf buff and i like play only gf buff. Why you forcing me to play boring tank with weak buffs. Soon a lot of gf's end his game. Bravo cryptic, now play not to much new ppl if you lost old gamers this game die quickly.

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schietindebux

Steel defense 6sec immunity prevented you from caring about defense to some degree, now you have to think more about stats, DR cap and rotation.
That's ok imo, I will switch some stats, won't waste them any more. Maybe switch to tactition, maybe stay protector since it's definitely more tanky, depends on the new content.
GF stays in a good spot compared to other classes. You have the choice between 2 paragons and 3 trees all oft them working somehow.
Some classes have to stick with 1paragon and one tree.

sulajpl

Look! Ferocious Reaction and Desperate Survival are going to be... *cough* i mean +2% deflect chance to R4 DS looks nice. Can't wait to see theez 2% more Defl.

stark760

clonkyo1 said:

cerberusforces said:

Steel defence after patch will be useless, 30% att bonus it's a joke, it doesnt metter you play 2 months or 2 years, it will be the same.
I create gf buff and i like play only gf buff. Why you forcing me to play boring tank with weak buffs. Soon a lot of gf's end his game. Bravo cryptic, now play not to much new ppl if you lost old gamers this game die quickly.

false and Biased data from a, probably, bad player.

+30% is more than enough for parties. What were happening up till now on the game was madness: +150%+ buffs which allowed players melt Orcus in less than 20 secs was "obscene" to say the least. After the nerf on "Steel Defense", all GFs will be forced to TIME their "Fighter's Recovery".

False and probably from a player that doesn't even play a GF. The players melting Orcus are still going to melt him. They made the GWF moves more powerful. They made cleave and frontline surge better, that's about it. Now Villains mencace only lasts 10 secs from 14 secs. Lungng strike has 50% more timer now, enforced threat only hits 10, steel defense lowered from 6 secs, Tide of iron is only for casternow only, not party... but hey cleave goes from 180 degrees to 200....WHOA!!!!!

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/10120093-patch-notes:-storm-king's-thunder-class-balance

stark760

Are they going to give cubes of augmentation back, for players that upgraded abilities on artifact weapons, only now to get screwed. So we spent to unlock Steel defense upgrade on shield, only to have it be utterly useless now. Oh, I get a respect token, how nice. And the cubes(4 each) to unlock random skills, and then another to increase stat. Garbage.

greywynd

stark760 said:

Are they going to give cubes of augmentation back, for players that upgraded abilities on artifact weapons, only now to get screwed. So we spent to unlock Steel defense upgrade on shield, only to have it be utterly useless now. Oh, I get a respect token, how nice. And the cubes(4 each) to unlock random skills, and then another to increase stat. Garbage.

Why should they? You still have that ability unlocked/

wylonus

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stark760

greywynd said:

stark760 said:

Are they going to give cubes of augmentation back, for players that upgraded abilities on artifact weapons, only now to get screwed. So we spent to unlock Steel defense upgrade on shield, only to have it be utterly useless now. Oh, I get a respect token, how nice. And the cubes(4 each) to unlock random skills, and then another to increase stat. Garbage.

Why should they? You still have that ability unlocked/

Maybe because I unlocked the skill due to 6 secs, not 3.5. Now the skill is HAMSTER. They didn't give a benefit after cutting the time in almost half. Also didn't get a respec token either.

stark760

Since there is a cap on Into the Fray at 30%, does the feat Inspiring Leader still give +1-5% damage for ITF, and make it go to 35%, or is it truly capped at 30%, and Inspiring Leader doing nothing at all.

greywynd

stark760 said:

Maybe because I unlocked the skill due to 6 secs, not 3.5. Now the skill is ****. They didn't give a benefit after cutting the time in almost half. Also didn't get a respec token either.

But you still have that ability unlocked.

kemi1984

stark760 said:

Since there is a cap on Into the Fray at 30%, does the feat Inspiring Leader still give +1-5% damage for ITF, and make it go to 35%, or is it truly capped at 30%, and Inspiring Leader doing nothing at all.

Inspiring Leader does give you additional 5% - no worries here.

35% damage buff for each party member is a big boost, those who don't agree are just spoiled by stupid amounts of buff ITF gave pre rework. 30% is fine - will make people use their heads more often.

schietindebux

I would be pleased if my warlock would spend something like a 35% buff to the party. After the class rework I think about stripping my mainchar and park him until core feature work again. Never thought about switching my main class but since GF is in a very good position and classes like warlock got reworked to "not function" any more I have no options.
GF's live on the sunny side of NWO I assure you.

stark760

I don't mind the ITF nerf, you can now cast while moving, which is huge, and get temp hit points to party as well. They took away a major reason I made the build the way I did, concentrating on improving the buff by focusing on damage resist, but at least improved it in a way. Steel defense, that is not the case. That passive was the main reason I went Swordmaster vs Iron Warrior. Now it's not worth it, and the money wasted on unlocking the 7 random artifact power's to get steel defense upgrade is useless as well. The lunging strike timer is a joke. Capping enforced threat at 10 enemies is a major problem. Already ran into problem in Castle Never where GWF want to agro 3-4 groups, and now I don't mark them all, and the ones I did mark were sporadic around me. And playing with a party makes anvil of doom now useless, as the damage takes 5 seconds over time, and usually things are dead well before that. As far as extra HP, haven't seen that. Respec token, nope. And schiet, the 35% buff is nice. As a GF though, most want you to have a constant buff KV on, and ITF used. That leaves 1 encounter. With the limitations on moves, one of the bright spots was improving damage resist to improve a buff that helped the party. And ITF wasn't the worst nerf for the GF, it was steel defense and enforced threat. Go ahead and try it, and then tell me it's on the sunny side. When it takes you 2-3 min to beat a group, you'll change your tune.

stark760

greywynd said:

stark760 said:

Maybe because I unlocked the skill due to 6 secs, not 3.5. Now the skill is ****. They didn't give a benefit after cutting the time in almost half. Also didn't get a respec token either.

But you still have that ability unlocked.

You can keep posting it like a HAMSTER. It doesn't change the fact that I paid to unlock a specific skill, and now they ruined it. Yeah, it's unlocked. So are 7 other skills because I wasted money on a now worthless skill. But ignore that and say its unlocked again...because that was the point. Or rather your way of trying to be a prick.

schietindebux

As far as I read , commander strike is an AoE more or less and quite handy.
Enforced threat was allways slotted in my setup and the occasion i aggroed 20 mobs are rare. On crit ET dealt hugee damage , running prot tree, now it's 50% plus.
Commanderstrike + steelblitz+ET can't be bad? I hope so.

johnjohniii

I'm pretty bummed out myself. My build was a total buff debuff tank build. now, my debuff only works for me (waste), my buff is (still good) but reduced, my ability to tank is WAY reduced with the ... steel defense nerf (really upset about that one), and I have no retrain token to switch my stuff... I understand the need to make changes. I know things must be put into balance. but explain it to me. All the changes they made were for a reason. they explained them save steel defense. that one was just changed and nothing was said. I just don't get how a single target inv for 6 sec is way OP when the pally gets a 6 sec group inv. the boat has left and I wasn't on it.

greywynd

stark760 said:

You can keep posting it like a ****. It doesn't change the fact that I paid to unlock a specific skill, and now they ruined it. Yeah, it's unlocked. So are 7 other skills because I wasted money on a now worthless skill. But ignore that and say its unlocked again...because that was the point. Or rather your way of trying to be a prick.

Actually, it isn't. You unlocked it. You got your use of it. They changed how it works for everyone, but not everyone had the ability on their weapon unlocked. Now in order to reimburse you, if they were going to, they would have to reimburse all the GFs. It was a community change. Everyone has to deal with it.

Personally I haven't really considered how this change will affect my own GF.

And leave off the personal attacks.

stark760

schietindebux said:

As far as I read , commander strike is an AoE more or less and quite handy.

Enforced threat was allways slotted in my setup and the occasion i aggroed 20 mobs are rare. On crit ET dealt hugee damage , running prot tree, now it's 50% plus.

Commanderstrike + steelblitz+ET can't be bad? I hope so.

Commander Strike is not an AoE effect. You hit a target and then your teammates hit it harder 1 time for 4 seconds. Now your teammates will hit other targets harder, not just the one you mark. Not what I'd call area of effect. You could say the shield stab is area of effect, because it hits more than one I guess. Same with lunging surge, it could cone and hit more than one. If you go Iron vanguard, you get frontline surge. Very few GF AoE skills, and the best one now is capped at 10 guys, 2 groups.

stark760

greywynd said:

stark760 said:

You can keep posting it like a ****. It doesn't change the fact that I paid to unlock a specific skill, and now they ruined it. Yeah, it's unlocked. So are 7 other skills because I wasted money on a now worthless skill. But ignore that and say its unlocked again...because that was the point. Or rather your way of trying to be a prick.

Actually, it isn't. You unlocked it. You got your use of it. They changed how it works for everyone, but not everyone had the ability on their weapon unlocked. Now in order to reimburse you, if they were going to, they would have to reimburse all the GFs. It was a community change. Everyone has to deal with it.

Personally I haven't really considered how this change will affect my own GF.

And leave off the personal attacks.

You come in with your 1 line A hole comment, and yes, you're going to get called out. You just said the best part, you really haven't considered how it affect your GF...but yet you chime in like a jerk. I still haven't gotten a respec token, and probably won't it looks like. And yes, spending 28 cubes to unlock the steel defense bonus is a rip off now that they changed the skill. They reimbursed everyone that wasted money on Lostmauth set when they changed it, so I don't see why they can't reimburse some cubes for those that wasted them.