A PvP Challenge to our Devs

shoukons

I believe there is a lack of understanding, from our Devs, concerning Domination or PvP. With the changes made on XBox and the changes coming to us from PC in mod 8, the rings, it just gives us, the PvP community, the evidence that there is a lack of proper critical thought going into PvP. So, what to do? Let us see if we, the PvP community, can make friends with the Devs who balance PvP and challenge them to 5v5 Domination matches. They can have their maxed characters and we keep our toons. Let's see if they know what they're doing.

I doubt they'd come and play though =/.

All of Denial is in to play against the Devs who have the nalgas to come out and show us they know what PvP Dom is about, giving us confidence that they know how to balance it.

azuosed89

I would love to play them, so they will get a taste of what the PvP is. I wonder if in their mind they think their ideas are brilliant or something, so we should give them some taste. Maybe after that they would hear the pvp feedback more often...
they should fight a guild on PC and get a taste of the new rings too.

yourenext2die

>:)

kreatyve

They've done PvP with the devs on PC, even streamed it. However, I'm not sure that they would do it on Xbox, for a number of reasons. 1 being that they wouldn't want players to know their gamer tags. Chances are, you have played with a dev or a member of Cryptic or PWE staff and you don't even know it.

azuosed89

kreatyve said:

They've done PvP with the devs on PC, even streamed it. However, I'm not sure that they would do it on Xbox, for a number of reasons. 1 being that they wouldn't want players to know their gamer tags. Chances are, you have played with a dev or a member of Cryptic or PWE staff and you don't even know it.

I played the devs in pc long time ago, and they were really bad lol. I thought they would get more involved in PvP balancing after they got smashed in PC...
Apparently not since bubbles and now weird rings are coming;p

azuosed89

and don't get me wrong.. some of the rings are actually really cool, and the mechanics are really cool, and doesn't seem too broken. but that ring of cowardice, and those invisibility rings is just going to ruin pvp...

shoukons

kreatyve said:

They've done PvP with the devs on PC, even streamed it. However, I'm not sure that they would do it on Xbox, for a number of reasons. 1 being that they wouldn't want players to know their gamer tags. Chances are, you have played with a dev or a member of Cryptic or PWE staff and you don't even know it.

We can have unlimited gamertags on Gold with XBox one and they can make their character in unlimited ways on any of their accounts since it's their game. We can check that off the list.

If a politician is making a proposal to change a policy and has no experience in or knowledge of the environment that policy will affect...well they'll do a garbage job. That's a lesson of historical fact.

Someone cannot teach someone to conduct heart surgery if they themselves have not conducted the motions themselves successfully multiple times in academia. That's why when a medical student receives their Doctorate they move onto the stage of fellowship since they have a Doctorate in the Philosophy, but on in the practice. It's a lesson of academic fact.

If this game isn't held to this standard just say so and we won't be surprised when things go and when events happen that boggle us to why they were even implemented. Such as invisibility for all and unlimited repels for all etc.

yourenext2die

Being a dev with a maxed out toon should be like Stan's dad bringing the Sword of a Thousand Truths into WOW to one shot everyone lol.

s4v10rx

shoukons said:

I believe there is a lack of understanding, from our Devs, concerning Domination or PvP. With the changes made on XBox and the changes coming to us from PC in mod 8, the rings, it just gives us, the PvP community, the evidence that there is a lack of proper critical thought going into PvP. So, what to do? Let us see if we, the PvP community, can make friends with the Devs who balance PvP and challenge them to 5v5 Domination matches. They can have their maxed characters and we keep our toons. Let's see if they know what they're doing.

I doubt they'd come and play though =/.

All of Denial is in to play against the Devs who have the nalgas to come out and show us they know what PvP Dom is about, giving us confidence that they know how to balance it.

+all of Asylum, and the rest of the pvp guild is going to join in too as we r at the level of..... with all the new changes that makes the pvp more broken except for a certain guild that have the dev as their main leader.

s4v10rx

azuosed89 said:

kreatyve said:

They've done PvP with the devs on PC, even streamed it. However, I'm not sure that they would do it on Xbox, for a number of reasons. 1 being that they wouldn't want players to know their gamer tags. Chances are, you have played with a dev or a member of Cryptic or PWE staff and you don't even know it.

I played the devs in pc long time ago, and they were really bad lol. I thought they would get more involved in PvP balancing after they got smashed in PC...
Apparently not since bubbles and now weird rings are coming;p

really??

how long ago was that?

there's no even such as this when i'm still active on the pc side mayb happens when i quit?

mayb that's 1 of the reason why the devs have so much hatred for pvp in general and try to discourage pvpers of this game om xb1 to pve is because the pc pvpers smash them as they were nothing

kropek1991

shoukons said:

I believe there is a lack of understanding, from our Devs, concerning Domination or PvP. With the changes made on XBox and the changes coming to us from PC in mod 8, the rings, it just gives us, the PvP community, the evidence that there is a lack of proper critical thought going into PvP. So, what to do? Let us see if we, the PvP community, can make friends with the Devs who balance PvP and challenge them to 5v5 Domination matches. They can have their maxed characters and we keep our toons. Let's see if they know what they're doing.

I doubt they'd come and play though =/.

All of Denial is in to play against the Devs who have the nalgas to come out and show us they know what PvP Dom is about, giving us confidence that they know how to balance it.

Forget about it. This is how it ends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2kv28_naa4

Grettings d(^.^)b

shoukons

"These people are designing the pvp changes..." I couldn't of said it better than the person in the chat in the video. People who get 1000/2 shouldn't be making changes to PvP, that makes economical sense. But if this isn't about a great game and making money then stay on course Cryptic. I imagine the CEO and COO and the original creators of Cryptic studios, who had a great and correct desire in creating this company, wouldn't immediately understand the little ins and outs of the PvP mechanics, but they would definitely understand and be open to hear how it's taking money from them and Cryptic Studio's/Perfect World's pockets and how it's sending a message out to consumers that their products are of very low quality and do not take the advice or share holders or their community on how to make the product better so the company and share holders make more money and the consumers enjoy the game longer as to have a positive name recognition which attracts more share holders and gamers and money and the cycle continues. Divesting isn't good for a company and it shouldn't continue to repeat in their history.

If the community is seen as an enemy or an annoyance, when we want a product that works as to continue to play and invest into, then it will be largely the loss of the studio and not the consumer for we can just move on. But we sit here con agita trying to get things across for the goal of a longer living and better quality game. If the hep isn't wanted and there's just the desire to run the game without input with those who are using it at least just say that and mean it so we all know and know what all of our next moves are. If you want feedback, say that and actually reach out to the community in a strong and dependable way so there is belief that "you" want the feedback, will listen to that feedback and will implement the positive and constructive feedback.

dreadkiss

wow pugs do better than this.....

s4v10rx

kropek1991 said:

shoukons said:

I believe there is a lack of understanding, from our Devs, concerning Domination or PvP. With the changes made on XBox and the changes coming to us from PC in mod 8, the rings, it just gives us, the PvP community, the evidence that there is a lack of proper critical thought going into PvP. So, what to do? Let us see if we, the PvP community, can make friends with the Devs who balance PvP and challenge them to 5v5 Domination matches. They can have their maxed characters and we keep our toons. Let's see if they know what they're doing.

I doubt they'd come and play though =/.

All of Denial is in to play against the Devs who have the nalgas to come out and show us they know what PvP Dom is about, giving us confidence that they know how to balance it.

Forget about it. This is how it ends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2kv28_naa4

Grettings d(^.^)b

hm...is that the same pewpewpew om xb1? i have gone against pewpewpew on XB1 couple of days ago

azuosed89

i told you they were really bad. btw, they nerfed GWF after this:p.,, that was their "balance fix" haha

yourenext2die

s4v10rx said:

kropek1991 said:

shoukons said:

I believe there is a lack of understanding, from our Devs, concerning Domination or PvP. With the changes made on XBox and the changes coming to us from PC in mod 8, the rings, it just gives us, the PvP community, the evidence that there is a lack of proper critical thought going into PvP. So, what to do? Let us see if we, the PvP community, can make friends with the Devs who balance PvP and challenge them to 5v5 Domination matches. They can have their maxed characters and we keep our toons. Let's see if they know what they're doing.

I doubt they'd come and play though =/.

All of Denial is in to play against the Devs who have the nalgas to come out and show us they know what PvP Dom is about, giving us confidence that they know how to balance it.

Forget about it. This is how it ends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2kv28_naa4

Grettings d(^.^)b

hm...is that the same pewpewpew om xb1? i have gone against pewpewpew on XB1 couple of days ago

The one that was in our guild. No.

armadeonx

That was amazingly bad - no wonder they created the Paladin - they probably all run them now - lolol...

I've lost many games against pvp guilds but I've never been in a team that scored two points

To think they have the ability to uber-equip themselves and they get mown down like a drive-by shooting is actually disturbing as these guys are the decision makers.

azuosed89

I mean, for their defense I could say that it is because they don't play the game and don't practice pvp... but at the same time, they were maxed geared against non-maxed players, and that is indeed disturbing. Just the change in domination kind displays an idea that they were lazy to balance the game. for example, the reason why they made the changes in node contesting was because since with DCs and Pallys it is so hard for people to die, they change the way the cap system works. So now people still don't die, and be like a bunch of idiots running from node to node trying to cap the points.
So, instead nerf the bubble, nerf or remove complete gift of faith/haste, they go and change how domination works instead, a very lazy solution that is not really a solution after all. I wish they would play pvp more often and learn how to play it properly so they can feel on their skin what we have been going through. If they played just a little bit of pvp they should already know that cowardice ring and stealth ring are just going to ruin pvp even more.

s4v10rx

yourenext2die said:

s4v10rx said:

kropek1991 said:

shoukons said:

I believe there is a lack of understanding, from our Devs, concerning Domination or PvP. With the changes made on XBox and the changes coming to us from PC in mod 8, the rings, it just gives us, the PvP community, the evidence that there is a lack of proper critical thought going into PvP. So, what to do? Let us see if we, the PvP community, can make friends with the Devs who balance PvP and challenge them to 5v5 Domination matches. They can have their maxed characters and we keep our toons. Let's see if they know what they're doing.

I doubt they'd come and play though =/.

All of Denial is in to play against the Devs who have the nalgas to come out and show us they know what PvP Dom is about, giving us confidence that they know how to balance it.

Forget about it. This is how it ends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2kv28_naa4

Grettings d(^.^)b

hm...is that the same pewpewpew om xb1? i have gone against pewpewpew on XB1 couple of days ago

The one that was in our guild. No.

the pewpewpew that i go against is a HR and guildless, first couple of match think he solo q subsequently he runs with LGPG crew all the time in dom. remember some1 told me that his enchantment is all rank 12

s4v10rx

azuosed89 said:

I mean, for their defense I could say that it is because they don't play the game and don't practice pvp... but at the same time, they were maxed geared against non-maxed players, and that is indeed disturbing. Just the change in domination kind displays an idea that they were lazy to balance the game. for example, the reason why they made the changes in node contesting was because since with DCs and Pallys it is so hard for people to die, they change the way the cap system works. So now people still don't die, and be like a bunch of idiots running from node to node trying to cap the points.
So, instead nerf the bubble, nerf or remove complete gift of faith/haste, they go and change how domination works instead, a very lazy solution that is not really a solution after all. I wish they would play pvp more often and learn how to play it properly so they can feel on their skin what we have been going through. If they played just a little bit of pvp they should already know that cowardice ring and stealth ring are just going to ruin pvp even more.

i would say for bubble pally instead of giving bubbles to the whole team, they should nerf it that the bubbles only works for the pally, or better still get rid of the bubbles and give them more HP to make them harder to kills and most of all fix the pally mechanic n fix the glitch, i'm sure u know which glitch i'm talking about

justnk8se

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:

I mean, for their defense I could say that it is because they don't play the game and don't practice pvp... but at the same time, they were maxed geared against non-maxed players, and that is indeed disturbing. Just the change in domination kind displays an idea that they were lazy to balance the game. for example, the reason why they made the changes in node contesting was because since with DCs and Pallys it is so hard for people to die, they change the way the cap system works. So now people still don't die, and be like a bunch of idiots running from node to node trying to cap the points.
So, instead nerf the bubble, nerf or remove complete gift of faith/haste, they go and change how domination works instead, a very lazy solution that is not really a solution after all. I wish they would play pvp more often and learn how to play it properly so they can feel on their skin what we have been going through. If they played just a little bit of pvp they should already know that cowardice ring and stealth ring are just going to ruin pvp even more.

i would say for bubble pally instead of giving bubbles to the whole team, they should nerf it that the bubbles only works for the pally, or better still get rid of the bubbles and give them more HP to make them harder to kills and most of all fix the pally mechanic n fix the glitch, i'm sure u know which glitch i'm talking about

really good suggestion about the bubble being pally only; general consensus might be that it would make PVE harder but it would definitely help PVP immensely.

azuosed89

justnk8se said:

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:

I mean, for their defense I could say that it is because they don't play the game and don't practice pvp... but at the same time, they were maxed geared against non-maxed players, and that is indeed disturbing. Just the change in domination kind displays an idea that they were lazy to balance the game. for example, the reason why they made the changes in node contesting was because since with DCs and Pallys it is so hard for people to die, they change the way the cap system works. So now people still don't die, and be like a bunch of idiots running from node to node trying to cap the points.
So, instead nerf the bubble, nerf or remove complete gift of faith/haste, they go and change how domination works instead, a very lazy solution that is not really a solution after all. I wish they would play pvp more often and learn how to play it properly so they can feel on their skin what we have been going through. If they played just a little bit of pvp they should already know that cowardice ring and stealth ring are just going to ruin pvp even more.

i would say for bubble pally instead of giving bubbles to the whole team, they should nerf it that the bubbles only works for the pally, or better still get rid of the bubbles and give them more HP to make them harder to kills and most of all fix the pally mechanic n fix the glitch, i'm sure u know which glitch i'm talking about

really good suggestion about the bubble being pally only; general consensus might be that it would make PVE harder but it would definitely help PVP immensely.

justnk8se said:

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:

I mean, for their defense I could say that it is because they don't play the game and don't practice pvp... but at the same time, they were maxed geared against non-maxed players, and that is indeed disturbing. Just the change in domination kind displays an idea that they were lazy to balance the game. for example, the reason why they made the changes in node contesting was because since with DCs and Pallys it is so hard for people to die, they change the way the cap system works. So now people still don't die, and be like a bunch of idiots running from node to node trying to cap the points.
So, instead nerf the bubble, nerf or remove complete gift of faith/haste, they go and change how domination works instead, a very lazy solution that is not really a solution after all. I wish they would play pvp more often and learn how to play it properly so they can feel on their skin what we have been going through. If they played just a little bit of pvp they should already know that cowardice ring and stealth ring are just going to ruin pvp even more.

i would say for bubble pally instead of giving bubbles to the whole team, they should nerf it that the bubbles only works for the pally, or better still get rid of the bubbles and give them more HP to make them harder to kills and most of all fix the pally mechanic n fix the glitch, i'm sure u know which glitch i'm talking about

really good suggestion about the bubble being pally only; general consensus might be that it would make PVE harder but it would definitely help PVP immensely.

it would be impossible before, but now mbos dont have 100% armor pen anymore, i don't think we really need bubble all the time in pve anymore... also, those dungeons are weird, they are not "IL" customized for new players, new players suck and are not being helped by being put against really hard pve and being forced to run broken mechanics in order to survive PvE, PvE should provide a increasing challenge with increasing rewards, but instead they throw a bunch of dungeons that gives the players nothing, and in the sequence they throw almost impossible to do dungeons with low IL with terrible rewards... in order words, if you want to be competitive a PvP, it will be a very long time if you want to depend on PVe first. but i think it was designed like that...
anyway, i think it is already time they bring us the tradebars change to make it easier for playres get gear.

justnk8se

azuosed89 said:

justnk8se said:

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:

I mean, for their defense I could say that it is because they don't play the game and don't practice pvp... but at the same time, they were maxed geared against non-maxed players, and that is indeed disturbing. Just the change in domination kind displays an idea that they were lazy to balance the game. for example, the reason why they made the changes in node contesting was because since with DCs and Pallys it is so hard for people to die, they change the way the cap system works. So now people still don't die, and be like a bunch of idiots running from node to node trying to cap the points.
So, instead nerf the bubble, nerf or remove complete gift of faith/haste, they go and change how domination works instead, a very lazy solution that is not really a solution after all. I wish they would play pvp more often and learn how to play it properly so they can feel on their skin what we have been going through. If they played just a little bit of pvp they should already know that cowardice ring and stealth ring are just going to ruin pvp even more.

i would say for bubble pally instead of giving bubbles to the whole team, they should nerf it that the bubbles only works for the pally, or better still get rid of the bubbles and give them more HP to make them harder to kills and most of all fix the pally mechanic n fix the glitch, i'm sure u know which glitch i'm talking about

really good suggestion about the bubble being pally only; general consensus might be that it would make PVE harder but it would definitely help PVP immensely.

justnk8se said:

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:

I mean, for their defense I could say that it is because they don't play the game and don't practice pvp... but at the same time, they were maxed geared against non-maxed players, and that is indeed disturbing. Just the change in domination kind displays an idea that they were lazy to balance the game. for example, the reason why they made the changes in node contesting was because since with DCs and Pallys it is so hard for people to die, they change the way the cap system works. So now people still don't die, and be like a bunch of idiots running from node to node trying to cap the points.
So, instead nerf the bubble, nerf or remove complete gift of faith/haste, they go and change how domination works instead, a very lazy solution that is not really a solution after all. I wish they would play pvp more often and learn how to play it properly so they can feel on their skin what we have been going through. If they played just a little bit of pvp they should already know that cowardice ring and stealth ring are just going to ruin pvp even more.

i would say for bubble pally instead of giving bubbles to the whole team, they should nerf it that the bubbles only works for the pally, or better still get rid of the bubbles and give them more HP to make them harder to kills and most of all fix the pally mechanic n fix the glitch, i'm sure u know which glitch i'm talking about

really good suggestion about the bubble being pally only; general consensus might be that it would make PVE harder but it would definitely help PVP immensely.

anyway, i think it is already time they bring us the tradebars change to make it easier for playres get gear.

agreed; it most certainly would help and be the first of many steps to alleviate some of issues.

mercbenz360

Wow, watching them play a rogue.... If you look at the leaderboards on xbox, there is around 15k characters (I have 4 on the boards myself) so maybe 8k unique players that pvp? They announced 3m+ downloads so it's ~1% that PvP - this is why they don't give it resources. I wouldn't have gotten into NW if it didn't have PvP, but this is the sad reality. Balancing classes for PvE and PvP is done from the inception and I would guess they didn't do that and have been band-aiding since.

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s4v10rx

justnk8se said:

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:

I mean, for their defense I could say that it is because they don't play the game and don't practice pvp... but at the same time, they were maxed geared against non-maxed players, and that is indeed disturbing. Just the change in domination kind displays an idea that they were lazy to balance the game. for example, the reason why they made the changes in node contesting was because since with DCs and Pallys it is so hard for people to die, they change the way the cap system works. So now people still don't die, and be like a bunch of idiots running from node to node trying to cap the points.
So, instead nerf the bubble, nerf or remove complete gift of faith/haste, they go and change how domination works instead, a very lazy solution that is not really a solution after all. I wish they would play pvp more often and learn how to play it properly so they can feel on their skin what we have been going through. If they played just a little bit of pvp they should already know that cowardice ring and stealth ring are just going to ruin pvp even more.

i would say for bubble pally instead of giving bubbles to the whole team, they should nerf it that the bubbles only works for the pally, or better still get rid of the bubbles and give them more HP to make them harder to kills and most of all fix the pally mechanic n fix the glitch, i'm sure u know which glitch i'm talking about

really good suggestion about the bubble being pally only; general consensus might be that it would make PVE harder but it would definitely help PVP immensely.

in my opinion, if ur gs score is around 2300 to 2500, u can run the dungeon without any pally, for new players it will b an issue as they r not getting use to it, just give them a couple of days to settle in and they will get use to it.

armadeonx

yeah my guild is mostly new players and we are running them through dungeons for gear - I run bubble OP to keep them alive

thefiresidecat

imo the only way to make pvp balanced is to take out most special skills and perks. standardize weapons and defenses. take out the left and right trigger first tier damage and a special. disable all heroic feats and boons. or have a hardcore mode with something like this enacted.

shoukons

thefiresidecat said:

imo the only way to make pvp balanced is to take out most special skills and perks. standardize weapons and defenses. take out the left and right trigger first tier damage and a special. disable all heroic feats and boons. or have a hardcore mode with something like this enacted.

That's to make it MOBA equal, looking to make it MMO balanced. We can be different and equal.

yourenext2die

s4v10rx said:

yourenext2die said:

s4v10rx said:

kropek1991 said:

shoukons said:

I believe there is a lack of understanding, from our Devs, concerning Domination or PvP. With the changes made on XBox and the changes coming to us from PC in mod 8, the rings, it just gives us, the PvP community, the evidence that there is a lack of proper critical thought going into PvP. So, what to do? Let us see if we, the PvP community, can make friends with the Devs who balance PvP and challenge them to 5v5 Domination matches. They can have their maxed characters and we keep our toons. Let's see if they know what they're doing.

I doubt they'd come and play though =/.

All of Denial is in to play against the Devs who have the nalgas to come out and show us they know what PvP Dom is about, giving us confidence that they know how to balance it.

Forget about it. This is how it ends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2kv28_naa4

Grettings d(^.^)b

hm...is that the same pewpewpew om xb1? i have gone against pewpewpew on XB1 couple of days ago

The one that was in our guild. No.

the pewpewpew that i go against is a HR and guildless, first couple of match think he solo q subsequently he runs with LGPG crew all the time in dom. remember some1 told me that his enchantment is all rank 12

Yeah the one that just recently left Denial. He's an HR.

sudnd3th

poopoomcmuffns said:

3 mil downloads does not equate to 3 mil max lvl toons, but you are right that pvp is the minority. Point is tho, if they invested in the pvp side of this game properly it would be great. The combat system is amazing and pvp could possibly equal the pve draw of the game, win win for everyone.

Reason why there are so few pvper's is cause it's badly balanced to begin with. Unless you are hardcore into pvp or enjoy it a lot it drives everyone away. I know a lot of people who have quit the game due to the bad balancing of it.

shoukons said:

thefiresidecat said:

imo the only way to make pvp balanced is to take out most special skills and perks. standardize weapons and defenses. take out the left and right trigger first tier damage and a special. disable all heroic feats and boons. or have a hardcore mode with something like this enacted.

That's to make it MOBA equal, looking to make it MMO balanced. We can be different and equal.

Problem is the dev's focus on PvE and they don't really care for PvP it seems, and in my eye's the way PvE is setup in this game, there is no Endgame for it. There is only so many time's you can run daily quests, dungeon's, skirmishes and encounters before it feels like your pounding your head against the wall and all interest is lost. I would have quit a long time ago if there was no PvP. To me it doesn't matter how much new PvE content you add over time with how they do it. Give it a month and it gets old fast then there really is no reason to play till next mod is released which is 2-3 months down the road usually.

Well balanced PvP brings life into a game like this and they tend to ignore it or just toss band-aid's on it over and over again. It gives people a sense of purpose for their work outside of PvP.

Now i know balancing isn't an easy process but they go about it all the wrong way when they do. They either hit a class massively with a nerf stick or buff a class way beyond what it needs. Most cases only need small tweaks. I'm happy tho with how they handled the tweaks to TR we aren't as strong as we were which was needed but its the first time i've seen them do something right.