But you should understand this change hurt the websites that sell the AD more. As i am sure they had like 50 accounts with 50 characters each. making like 50 mil a day. Doing this is stopping them too. You all really need to look at this from all sides, not just the gamer side.
And this is the good that comes from it....MMO's are plagued by those who farm and exploit a week point in the system that allows someone to earn a vast amount of real world money for virtually no real work. However it's delusional to believe it will stop, they will simply exploit the next profession on the list....that's why, as i've said from the beginning, go after those who've created the problem if you actually want to fix the problem.
But i am not trash talking. Seriously there are other ways to make AD, and they did move things around to make AD. People need to not be so quick to be upset over change. change always happens. Like i said, just give it a chance. I bet you wont even see the difference. other than you wont be making 1 mil a day from your armies. Never understood why people must make that $50 a day in AD to survive. But you should understand this change hurt the websites that sell the AD more. As i am sure they had like 50 accounts with 50 characters each. making like 50 mil a day. Doing this is stopping them too. You all really need to look at this from all sides, not just the gamer side.
DONT you think then when they decided to port over this game they should have looked at what was wrong with the PC version of the game and then implemented the changes before the gave it to the xbox ?
Oh wait they did by stopping us having the gateway/foundry. But then because they tried to implement this on the PC to stop the botters from still making AD (even though it was to late as there economy was already fubar imo) and it didnt work they then changed leadership on the PC and then decided that it was a good idea for the xbox to have the same ?
I am sorry but the timing and the way this has been handle has annoyed and tarnished the repect of many players, this then makes people worry about spending real money on a game on items if in one weeks time without warning the developers change the goal posts.
I have seen this happen in a few other f2p play games (be it browser based games, PC or even xbox) where in the end it all comes down to money and not actually what the majority of players think.
Yes people will re-work what and how they play, (example will be those with the so called leadership armies just logging in queing for a pvp match and then just standing there till the game finishes as quick as possible). No interest in the game just want my free rAD as quickly as possible). This hasnt happened yet but I have seen it before this update it will just become more common. The quickest route will always be what people look for. Including glitches to dungeons or getting the sigil for there lvl 4 char because they can.
So many things broke with the game and imo leadership wasnt one of them, and even if it was to some the way it was implemented without any rewards for those people who did put time in (like it or not) to get them 2 char or 15 chars to level 20+ in leadership is what I see as one of the worst moves so far.
Whats next ? as suggest everything BoP with no re-sale value or salvage value so you can only make rAD from the dungeons/skirmishes/pvp and NOTHING else. All proffesion items BoP so ONLY you can make items for you ?
A friend of mine has about 18,000 Zen which he got from running dungeons, salvaging etc, buying AD to buy enchanted keys when the exhange was low, selling the contents of lockboxes and then turning the AD back to Zen when the exchange is high again.
It's definitely possible to get that much, but the difference is that my friend isn't bitching and moaning about these changes because he's actually objective about the whole thing.
It's easy to be objective about something you aren't using to earn your source of AD's or Zen....if I woke up tomorrow and they nerfed artificing it would be easy for me to shrug my shoulders as well
He does use Leadership, as do I. We just don't abuse it.
Well they did make the new lvl 70 gear BoP and account. Unfortunately because of Microsoft rules we cant have the Foundry and Gateway
Speaking of Foundry functionality: Project Spark is a great example of a game which allows users to create custom levels on XBox One. It takes a LOT of development though. Another example is Minecraft which allows you to import custom worlds form Xbox 360 and (by extension) from PC.
One month ago when this leadership change hit the PC many players including myself came onto the XBOX part of the forums to ask about if this was going to happen to us XBOX players as it was "seen" as a PC problem only. From what was said there seemed to be an understanding that these changes "at the time" where ONLY going to happen to the PC.
To me this made sense as we didnt have a ADX problem, we were still a young game (6 months old) compared to that of the PC.
We DONT have the gateway and its fantastic extra content that could be useful with our companions gear that the PC players have which would have possibly made our game more fun, but would/could have let the botters into the xbox version of the game. So fine I can live without the gateway because it stops botters which inturn stop the economy getting ruined.
The same reason for the foundry from what I can make out.
So if someone could actually step forward and say WHY we had to get the same update as the PC when on one hand they state we are not the PC version of the game (hence no foundry/gateway) while on the other hand we are the same when it comes to updates.
Eh, no point for me anymore I get barely 2-3 hours a day. Today in that time 2 dungeons, 3x domination matches , and 1 skirmish. Aboslutely zero time to actually play to advance the story ( I'm level 40).
For that I got... 863 diamonds.
Yeah. 863 and that's if I only do AD things.
So now I'm just ocd waiting out my 1 month vip because I'm anal that way and have to get what I gave the zen for.
Guess the money I was going to spend to get 3 months vip are now going to elite dangerous. I would have stayed because I like the game but if I can't advance due to this change I have to go.
When you figure the removal of nevermembers quests, the removal of rhixs quests, the removal of AD from leadership and how much AD is acquired the new way, it really is a big hit to casual gamers. Especially when you consider how much things still cost.
The grind for boons, exp, gear, glory and other character related stuff was already pretty extreme for casual gamers and gamers with limited time. Now with less resources for helping with the grind, it's extremely extensive. New players will definitely be at such a disadvantage in PvP and queuing for dungeons that the game is most likely to become extremely frustrating and discouraging for them.
When I started playing, the conversion of AD to Zen was close to what it is now. There where so many ways to get AD and double refinement occurred at least a couple times for AD. They were pretty much flooding the market. It's part of what kept me playing. Now, it seems like newcomers are going to get hammered on from every direction.
I agree with 100% but there maybe a silver lineing to all of this.
People who have been playing this for a while and say leveling a new char to get the sigil may not care for a lot of the green and blue items they loot. Many will cash them in for gold but as people look for any little extra AD to be made while there doing there own grinding they will sell item of not very high value for cheap.
Example of this would be to look at what you can buy at say lvl 40/50/60 now in the green/blue range for armour.
I know that I picked up some item for my paladin (lvl 40ish) for about 200 AD and item. And when you think some players have brought heirloom packs to get blue item and intervals it would seem not such a good deal.
It is a steep grind though (possibly steeper in some areas) when you eventually get to lvl 70.
There is from my POV 3 stages of end game. Those who have just got there and dont have the AD to upgrade to get into any decent content. These people will suffer and have a long grind now.
Those who have just about got sorted and now doing as much ingame content to at least get half decent gear/enchants etc etc. They are also a little bit more savvy about the game but have to try and sell everything to get further (and this could become very tedious and long if they dont play a lot).
The top tier id those who have all but finished the grind and have most things maxxed. They are now enjoying (or at least trying) to enjoy end game and hope that any money/time they have put into the game pays of before the goal posts or new goals/content is added sending them back to the low tiers unless they spend more money or all the AD they have built up.
i find this outrage all a little strange. just a few months ago, people were complaining, because the amount of AD generated from leadership was not enough. it's the profession that takes the longest to level up and so many deemed it not worth the time to invest. the only way to make decent AD was to get leadership to a high level on multiple characters. again, most people decided that it was not worth the time, so many did not bother.
then we found out from PC that they took AD away from leadership. so once again, the value of leadership was greatly reduced. at that point i stopped developing leadership on my characters. it was speculated that xbone would receive nerf. there was discussions by the devs that it may not happen because we do not have the same exploits and problems that PC does. either way it was up in the air... but i felt like "why risk it?".
so basically everyone did not like leadership already, and the nerf hits and we have all this outrage all of a sudden.
also in the patch notes it states they are still looking for ways to bring AD in to the market and they are evaluating how these changes effect the game.
also in the patch notes it states they are still looking for ways to bring AD in to the market and they are evaluating how these changes effect the game.
The patch notes are a direct copy of that from the PC so if after one month of them having it and there has been no updates to any changes in the pipeline and from reading post and articles from other bugs etc etc. Dont hold your breathe to long. The have used the botting excuse for the PC for a very long time and tarred the XBOX with the same brush/problems even from an end user point of view I couldnt see there any problems at this time.
But they seemed to have shot themselves in the foot. The xbox player (as a whole) are easy when it comes to games and are more likely to put one game on the back burner easier than those on a PC from my own playing. (IE playing a pc MMORPG for over 6 years before the changes got to much for me and 1 year later they actually closed the game down).
So you can only flog a dead horse for so long before you find out its dead and has no use.
The overall amount of AD that can be acquired daily is considerably less. It was fairly easy to either come close to or pass the 24k mark with nevermember giving quests. Then figure in leadership, salvage, and the other ways to get refined and rough AD. Now, add up how much you get through daily quests. The epic dungeons and skirmishes are still way too difficult for a lot of people so they're out of the equation. Leadership doesn't have AD (to speak of) anymore so that's out of the equation. Invoking doesn't give AD as much now so that's out of the equation. Don't forget that some people don't want to PvP or run dungeons.
In all the aspects that could be considered to improve the experience of playing the game, the AD aspect would have been better left for a later date.
you don' thave to do epic dungeons to get the AD reward. you can do the easiest dungeon (25) if you want. takes about ten minutes (and I was playing with two actual level 25s. pretty sure it would take way less than that with other higher levels who are just pared down to level 25, from the damage report at the end I basically solo'd it) and you get your ad reward. ditto for skirmishes. the chest at the end gives you appropriate level blue gear and if you play the level 55 skirmish all bosses give you level appropriate blue gear. it was also super easy. yeah the epic dungeons are still pretty unplayable for most but you don't have to go that route to at least get some gear, to gear up better with
Do any developers actually post here, or do they just all sit in their offices and watch the zen sales they attempt to force?
I haven't seen any official dev response in the Xbox One forum in the last 2 months I was reading it. I've seen some posts in the announcement thread, on reddit and in twitter, but not here. So they do engage in discussions, but probably not so much here in this part of the forum.
Do any developers actually post here, or do they just all sit in their offices and watch the zen sales they attempt to force?
I haven't seen any official dev response in the Xbox One forum in the last 2 months I was reading it. I've seen some posts in the announcement thread, on reddit and in twitter, but not here. So they do engage in discussions, but probably not so much here in this part of the forum.
Makes HAMSTER someone over a lot easier when you dont have to see them eh?
I fail to see why people condemn leadership over producing items through other professions. Any profitable profession can be leveled from 0-25 within a week very easily. Whereas Leadership you wouldn't even make a dent. I always saw leadership as a guaranteed small boost. Running 100% leadership tasks you'd only net around 10-20k per char a day but the core revenue never relied on rare tasks being available.
Personally I focused heavily into professions and assets as a whole from day 1 which granted me the ability to run upto 18 gemmed tasks from any tree each day obviously it relies on rare tasks being available so an average day would be in the region of 12 or 15 rolls at gemmed items which always creates a healthy profit margin unless RNG takes a dump in your cornflakes.
If people have the commitment to run a leadership army of 10 or more with manual log ins I truly applaud them as at times it fells like a chore but such is the grind right?
you don' thave to do epic dungeons to get the AD reward. you can do the easiest dungeon (25) if you want. takes about ten minutes (and I was playing with two actual level 25s. ... if you play the level 55 skirmish all bosses give you level appropriate blue gear. it was also super easy. yeah the epic dungeons are still pretty unplayable for most but you don't have to go that route to at least get some gear, to gear up better with
Ok... 3000 RAD for doing a daily dungeon... cool huh... 3000 per day... wow ill be rich in no time ...
Lev 55 Skirmish? Ok ... if only i could do it .... oops NOT because im lev 65... i got not even a single Skirmish showing up. How the hell devs could make the game and not put AT LEAST one apropriate leveled skirmish for every levels. And why not just simply adjust them? In the CTA events, it said lev 6 to 70 and it worked perfectly. Yes i had some take a little longer due to either a mismatch of classes or smaller levels that where "adjusted" but i finished every single one of them. Why can't they do that??
As for "normal dungeons" ... there HAMSTER.. they don't give jack squat in term of gear... they are worth doing only for some enchantements(and again if very lucky) and the 3000 RAD at the end... thats about it.
you don' thave to do epic dungeons to get the AD reward. you can do the easiest dungeon (25) if you want. takes about ten minutes
Talk about earning AD's for doing nothing....i've ran these dungeons a few times and it's absolutely laughable. Of course so is entering a level appropriate dungeon and watching the entire group continually be one shot by the first boss.....
armadeonx said: "I think there will be an adjustment in the amount of AD in the overall economy but only at the higher end of it.
Us nubs who only made AD from dailies, prayers and a small amount of selling tat from drops will not be affected at all but people making huge amounts pw REFINED due to multiple characters will lose big time.
The effect of this? Lower price for Zen due to reduced buying (that's a win for me) and lower prices on the AH.
People with large amounts of AD tend to spend it on the higher end stuff, artificially inflating the prices at that end of the market - these prices will now come down to more realistic levels.
Yes I do sympathise with people that invested time getting a good AD farm going but please don't try to tell me this is going to ruin the game - it will do the opposite. Yes, people will leave but tbh they were probably close to that point anyway and the $$ generation held them here.
I don't expect those losing income to feel good about it and for them personally this IS a huge negative but you have to look at the macro-economy too.
This imo is a necessary change. Even though it will greatly inconvenience many, I believe 6 months down the line most will appreciate it."
^^^^ THIS. And I have 7 toons, 2 @70, 2 @61, 2 @24, and one at 6. I occasionally used leadership for AD generation, but it was by no means profitable or purposeful for creating riches.
There are many people stating that this shouldn't have happened because the Xbox One is "different" from the PC version (ie: we don't have farming bots/Gateway, economy is higher-priced/out-of-control), but that's EXACTLY WHY they did this NOW.... to prevent this from happening on the console version as well. While the farming bots and Gateway aren't available for us, we can't argue the fact that 100s or 1000s of people logging into multiple accounts just to farm upwards of $700k+ or more PER DAY, flooding our market with these diamonds, w on't have a negative impact as a whole.... artificially inflating prices in the exchange and the AH.
I'm not saying that PW is doing this for the good of the players.... HA! Make no mistake, they are doing it to take back control of the currency in the game. It just so happens that it will help a large portion of the players as well. As long as they also keep reducing costs to keep up with the changes, then there should be no problems.
To all the people who have a problem with the changes I have a question.... Pertaining to the currencies in the game, as long as you have enough to do what you need to do/buy what you need to buy, why do you need more than that?
They logged in. They played their characters. I think it's interesting that you're saying that their logging in and playing the characters that they created is what caused this.
What caused this is the fact that PW has allowed unlimited characters because it's a money generator for them. They felt as if the money from character slots was more important than the actual economy. Instead of actually limiting the amount of characters on an account they nerfed an entire profession that people spent money on.
100s or 1000s of people logging into multiple accounts just to farm upwards of $700k+ or more PER DAY, flooding our market with these diamonds, w on't have a negative impact as a whole.... artificially inflating prices in the exchange and the AH.
Come on all lets be honest, they are slowly killing the game with each and every update, from what I can gather they are doing the typical human thing, not learning from their mistakes and repeating history, they never learned that they ruined the player base for PC with these changes, now they are doing the same for a console version of the game which imo is vastly worse as a console gamer is far more casual than a PC are they not?
Not only this but they insist on adding the same issues to the console version that affected the PC version, it it me or is this just pure ignorance on the devs behalf? Its either that or they know that some will still fire stupid amounts of money into a game that is slowly dying!
This latest move has done it for me, I agree that maybe they should have dropped how many AD could be earned maybe by cutting it in half but to more or less taking it out of the game is a stupid error that they will regret. Do you think they will tell us the player base figures for the month of October?
Its looking more and more likely that I will be leaving the game, its brought me plenty of fun and has been the best free game I have ever played but with the new games due out in November (I forgot about Fall out 4) Sadly NW will be a game of the past, its not a bad game at all its just sometimes the Devs make decisions that dont do what changes should do by bringing more players into the game they do the total opposite by bringing in changes that push the players away, thats simply madness, does anyone doubt these decisions have done that? If so you are wrong.
If the game dies because of positive action then so be it, at least it won't be a festering heap where only selfish people who look out for themselves and no-one else are the only ones being successful.
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Oh wait they did by stopping us having the gateway/foundry. But then because they tried to implement this on the PC to stop the botters from still making AD (even though it was to late as there economy was already fubar imo) and it didnt work they then changed leadership on the PC and then decided that it was a good idea for the xbox to have the same ?
I am sorry but the timing and the way this has been handle has annoyed and tarnished the repect of many players, this then makes people worry about spending real money on a game on items if in one weeks time without warning the developers change the goal posts.
I have seen this happen in a few other f2p play games (be it browser based games, PC or even xbox) where in the end it all comes down to money and not actually what the majority of players think.
Yes people will re-work what and how they play, (example will be those with the so called leadership armies just logging in queing for a pvp match and then just standing there till the game finishes as quick as possible). No interest in the game just want my free rAD as quickly as possible). This hasnt happened yet but I have seen it before this update it will just become more common. The quickest route will always be what people look for. Including glitches to dungeons or getting the sigil for there lvl 4 char because they can.
So many things broke with the game and imo leadership wasnt one of them, and even if it was to some the way it was implemented without any rewards for those people who did put time in (like it or not) to get them 2 char or 15 chars to level 20+ in leadership is what I see as one of the worst moves so far.
Whats next ? as suggest everything BoP with no re-sale value or salvage value so you can only make rAD from the dungeons/skirmishes/pvp and NOTHING else. All proffesion items BoP so ONLY you can make items for you ?
Unfortunately because of Microsoft rules we cant have the Foundry and Gateway
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To me this made sense as we didnt have a ADX problem, we were still a young game (6 months old) compared to that of the PC.
We DONT have the gateway and its fantastic extra content that could be useful with our companions gear that the PC players have which would have possibly made our game more fun, but would/could have let the botters into the xbox version of the game. So fine I can live without the gateway because it stops botters which inturn stop the economy getting ruined.
The same reason for the foundry from what I can make out.
So if someone could actually step forward and say WHY we had to get the same update as the PC when on one hand they state we are not the PC version of the game (hence no foundry/gateway) while on the other hand we are the same when it comes to updates.
a) You no longer have to pick up the quests to get the AD
b) They award more AD daily than previously
For that I got... 863 diamonds.
Yeah. 863 and that's if I only do AD things.
So now I'm just ocd waiting out my 1 month vip because I'm anal that way and have to get what I gave the zen for.
Guess the money I was going to spend to get 3 months vip are now going to elite dangerous.
I would have stayed because I like the game but if I can't advance due to this change I have to go.
People who have been playing this for a while and say leveling a new char to get the sigil may not care for a lot of the green and blue items they loot. Many will cash them in for gold but as people look for any little extra AD to be made while there doing there own grinding they will sell item of not very high value for cheap.
Example of this would be to look at what you can buy at say lvl 40/50/60 now in the green/blue range for armour.
I know that I picked up some item for my paladin (lvl 40ish) for about 200 AD and item. And when you think some players have brought heirloom packs to get blue item and intervals it would seem not such a good deal.
It is a steep grind though (possibly steeper in some areas) when you eventually get to lvl 70.
There is from my POV 3 stages of end game. Those who have just got there and dont have the AD to upgrade to get into any decent content. These people will suffer and have a long grind now.
Those who have just about got sorted and now doing as much ingame content to at least get half decent gear/enchants etc etc. They are also a little bit more savvy about the game but have to try and sell everything to get further (and this could become very tedious and long if they dont play a lot).
The top tier id those who have all but finished the grind and have most things maxxed. They are now enjoying (or at least trying) to enjoy end game and hope that any money/time they have put into the game pays of before the goal posts or new goals/content is added sending them back to the low tiers unless they spend more money or all the AD they have built up.
then we found out from PC that they took AD away from leadership. so once again, the value of leadership was greatly reduced. at that point i stopped developing leadership on my characters. it was speculated that xbone would receive nerf. there was discussions by the devs that it may not happen because we do not have the same exploits and problems that PC does. either way it was up in the air... but i felt like "why risk it?".
so basically everyone did not like leadership already, and the nerf hits and we have all this outrage all of a sudden.
also in the patch notes it states they are still looking for ways to bring AD in to the market and they are evaluating how these changes effect the game.
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But they seemed to have shot themselves in the foot. The xbox player (as a whole) are easy when it comes to games and are more likely to put one game on the back burner easier than those on a PC from my own playing. (IE playing a pc MMORPG for over 6 years before the changes got to much for me and 1 year later they actually closed the game down).
So you can only flog a dead horse for so long before you find out its dead and has no use.
Personally I focused heavily into professions and assets as a whole from day 1 which granted me the ability to run upto 18 gemmed tasks from any tree each day obviously it relies on rare tasks being available so an average day would be in the region of 12 or 15 rolls at gemmed items which always creates a healthy profit margin unless RNG takes a dump in your cornflakes.
If people have the commitment to run a leadership army of 10 or more with manual log ins I truly applaud them as at times it fells like a chore but such is the grind right?
Lev 55 Skirmish? Ok ... if only i could do it .... oops NOT because im lev 65... i got not even a single Skirmish showing up. How the hell devs could make the game and not put AT LEAST one apropriate leveled skirmish for every levels. And why not just simply adjust them? In the CTA events, it said lev 6 to 70 and it worked perfectly. Yes i had some take a little longer due to either a mismatch of classes or smaller levels that where "adjusted" but i finished every single one of them. Why can't they do that??
As for "normal dungeons" ... there HAMSTER.. they don't give jack squat in term of gear... they are worth doing only for some enchantements(and again if very lucky) and the 3000 RAD at the end... thats about it.
"I think there will be an adjustment in the amount of AD in the overall economy but only at the higher end of it.
Us nubs who only made AD from dailies, prayers and a small amount of selling tat from drops will not be affected at all but people making huge amounts pw REFINED due to multiple characters will lose big time.
The effect of this? Lower price for Zen due to reduced buying (that's a win for me) and lower prices on the AH.
People with large amounts of AD tend to spend it on the higher end stuff, artificially inflating the prices at that end of the market - these prices will now come down to more realistic levels.
Yes I do sympathise with people that invested time getting a good AD farm going but please don't try to tell me this is going to ruin the game - it will do the opposite. Yes, people will leave but tbh they were probably close to that point anyway and the $$ generation held them here.
I don't expect those losing income to feel good about it and for them personally this IS a huge negative but you have to look at the macro-economy too.
This imo is a necessary change. Even though it will greatly inconvenience many, I believe 6 months down the line most will appreciate it."
^^^^
THIS. And I have 7 toons, 2 @70, 2 @61, 2 @24, and one at 6. I occasionally used leadership for AD generation, but it was by no means profitable or purposeful for creating
riches.
There are many people stating that this shouldn't have happened because the Xbox One is "different" from the PC version (ie: we don't have farming bots/Gateway, economy is higher-priced/out-of-control), but that's EXACTLY WHY they did this NOW.... to prevent this from happening on the console version as well. While the farming bots and Gateway aren't available for us, we can't argue the fact that 100s or 1000s of people logging into multiple accounts just to farm upwards of $700k+ or more PER DAY, flooding our market with these diamonds, w on't have a negative impact as a whole.... artificially inflating prices in the exchange and the AH.
I'm not saying that PW is doing this for the good of the players.... HA! Make no mistake, they are doing it to take back control of the currency in the game. It just so happens that it will help a large portion of the players as well. As long as they also keep reducing costs to keep up with the changes, then there should be no problems.
To all the people who have a problem with the changes I have a question.... Pertaining to the currencies in the game, as long as you have enough to do what you need to do/buy what you need to buy, why do you need more than that?
What caused this is the fact that PW has allowed unlimited characters because it's a money generator for them. They felt as if the money from character slots was more important than the actual economy. Instead of actually limiting the amount of characters on an account they nerfed an entire profession that people spent money on.
It won't take long for prices to drop when people aren't actually selling anything they list any more.
Not only this but they insist on adding the same issues to the console version that affected the PC version, it it me or is this just pure ignorance on the devs behalf? Its either that or they know that some will still fire stupid amounts of money into a game that is slowly dying!
This latest move has done it for me, I agree that maybe they should have dropped how many AD could be earned maybe by cutting it in half but to more or less taking it out of the game is a stupid error that they will regret. Do you think they will tell us the player base figures for the month of October?
Its looking more and more likely that I will be leaving the game, its brought me plenty of fun and has been the best free game I have ever played but with the new games due out in November (I forgot about Fall out 4) Sadly NW will be a game of the past, its not a bad game at all its just sometimes the Devs make decisions that dont do what changes should do by bringing more players into the game they do the total opposite by bringing in changes that push the players away, thats simply madness, does anyone doubt these decisions have done that? If so you are wrong.
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