The information in this post is confusing me. Even before this mod, the lock boxes needed to get 200 trade bars is 20+ I think. If 90 boxes, you get 3 c. Wards and some left over, that seems close to my expectation. Someone also claims that they got only about 100 trade bars in 30 boxes, which is definitely too low.
Edit: This thread makes me want to buy Vip even more. Just to find out the true drop rate.
If they stated officially that they hadn't changed the tradebar drop rate, and then later on it turned out that they had, it could be a significant issue.
Is it different if you open old boxes instead of new ones?
That would be a given, yes. Different lock boxes are set up different ways. Some have more rewards in them then others do, so the percentage chance of getting a certain thing would be higher. I think if you wiki it there is a pretty extensive chart set up and to what gives what.
For those of you getting only 1 trade bar, is that from the brand new lockboxes? If so it might be just how they are set up, they could be set up to drop less trade bars and more items. And if that doesn't suit you, I would suggest not using your keys on those lockboxes. It's not like there aren't billions in the AH that you can buy with a low amount of AD.
You mean like messing around with the dungeon chest rewards, after they put dungeon chest keys into the daily VIP reward?
As I understand it, that was a bug. I'm pretty sure getting junk tier from epic dungeons was not working as intended. Considering that I got lion seals from the process, my guess is that they mixed up some code somewhere and were awarding content from non-epic versions for epic chests or something.
But if anyone has an official post suggesting otherwise, fair enough.
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theycallmetomuMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,861Arc User
Is it different if you open old boxes instead of new ones?
That would be a given, yes. Different lock boxes are set up different ways. Some have more rewards in them then others do, so the percentage chance of getting a certain thing would be higher. I think if you wiki it there is a pretty extensive chart set up and to what gives what.
For those of you getting only 1 trade bar, is that from the brand new lockboxes? If so it might be just how they are set up, they could be set up to drop less trade bars and more items. And if that doesn't suit you, I would suggest not using your keys on those lockboxes. It's not like there aren't billions in the AH that you can buy with a low amount of AD.
I switched back to the fire lockboxes, and still have gotten low tradebar drop rates, but I did get a 10 bar drop today, so maybe it's fine. Like I said, I haven't seen any hard figures about it yet.
You mean like messing around with the dungeon chest rewards, after they put dungeon chest keys into the daily VIP reward?
As I understand it, that was a bug. I'm pretty sure getting junk tier from epic dungeons was not working as intended. Considering that I got lion seals from the process, my guess is that they mixed up some code somewhere and were awarding content from non-epic versions for epic chests or something.
But if anyone has an official post suggesting otherwise, fair enough.
They're on their way to remove the visible rewards from dungeon chests into a bag of wondrous loot... no more checking out the chest rewards and saving up a dungeon chest key for some good loot.
There is an official statement somewhere about this "bug", and that they will change it back to "normal", but they also said that this change is coming.
With that in mind, do you really think, that there is no change to the lockboxes made for Strongholds?
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theycallmetomuMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,861Arc User
You mean like messing around with the dungeon chest rewards, after they put dungeon chest keys into the daily VIP reward?
As I understand it, that was a bug. I'm pretty sure getting junk tier from epic dungeons was not working as intended. Considering that I got lion seals from the process, my guess is that they mixed up some code somewhere and were awarding content from non-epic versions for epic chests or something.
But if anyone has an official post suggesting otherwise, fair enough.
They're on their way to remove the visible rewards from dungeon chests into a bag of wondrous loot... no more checking out the chest rewards and saving up a dungeon chest key for some good loot.
There is an official statement somewhere about this "bug", and that they will change it back to "normal", but they also said that this change is coming.
With that in mind, do you really think, that there is no change to the lockboxes made for Strongholds?
I'm iffy on the matter. I'm hesitant to simply jumping up and down and screaming THINGS WERE STEALTH NERFED!!! without a lot of evidence, because I consider that sort of thing irresponsible.
We have some anecdotal evidence. And after 3 months of keys, I'll see how many coal wards I've gotten and how many decent lockbox drops I've received (if any).
You mean like messing around with the dungeon chest rewards, after they put dungeon chest keys into the daily VIP reward?
As I understand it, that was a bug. I'm pretty sure getting junk tier from epic dungeons was not working as intended. Considering that I got lion seals from the process, my guess is that they mixed up some code somewhere and were awarding content from non-epic versions for epic chests or something.
But if anyone has an official post suggesting otherwise, fair enough.
They're on their way to remove the visible rewards from dungeon chests into a bag of wondrous loot... no more checking out the chest rewards and saving up a dungeon chest key for some good loot.
There is an official statement somewhere about this "bug", and that they will change it back to "normal", but they also said that this change is coming.
With that in mind, do you really think, that there is no change to the lockboxes made for Strongholds?
I'm iffy on the matter. I'm hesitant to simply jumping up and down and screaming THINGS WERE STEALTH NERFED!!! without a lot of evidence, because I consider that sort of thing irresponsible.
We have some anecdotal evidence. And after 3 months of keys, I'll see how many coal wards I've gotten and how many decent lockbox drops I've received (if any).
I understand that, but the development and management teams for Neverwinter have been caught Stealth Nerfing things several times. So this is not a new thing. There is a history here.
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theycallmetomuMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,861Arc User
Fair enough.
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bigredbrentMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 155Arc User
it seem okay to "gamble' for a chance to get random goodies, but this version is more like con job, been getting those cheap refine stones that is what i get from prayer invokings or lootable rank 5 that i get them alot more common and from daily seed chests.
these isnt very exciting.
we all do need loads of coalenscene wards and still not enough. getting from invokings seem very far less to get for months.
http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/RNG_Tests
Under this link, there is some tests of lock boxes but not all. The drop rate of epic mount is really low. The trade bar pot is also quite low. The tradebars is actually included, it is less than 10 if averaged before this mod.
Well, i don't know for sure... but as i said, before Strongholds i pulled out enough trade bars from 10-20 lockboxes for at least one Coalescent Ward, most of the times i even got some extra trade bars for the next round.
The Coalescent Ward turned into a Lesser Enchantment and most of the other loot gave me enough AD to buy the lockbox keys bundle.
But perhaps the lower numbers of trade bars from lockboxes is the punishment for getting nearly every time at least one Coalescent Ward from 10 coffers...
http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/RNG_Tests
Under this link, there is some tests of lock boxes but not all. The drop rate of epic mount is really low. The trade bar pot is also quite low. The tradebars is actually included, it is less than 10 if averaged before this mod.
I'd love to see an analysis/comparison to the drop rates now compared to those pre-mod 7 numbers.
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If they stated officially that they hadn't changed the tradebar drop rate, and then later on it turned out that they had, it could be a significant issue.
That would be a given, yes. Different lock boxes are set up different ways. Some have more rewards in them then others do, so the percentage chance of getting a certain thing would be higher. I think if you wiki it there is a pretty extensive chart set up and to what gives what.
For those of you getting only 1 trade bar, is that from the brand new lockboxes? If so it might be just how they are set up, they could be set up to drop less trade bars and more items. And if that doesn't suit you, I would suggest not using your keys on those lockboxes. It's not like there aren't billions in the AH that you can buy with a low amount of AD.
Matter of fact, here.....
http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Lockbox
As I understand it, that was a bug. I'm pretty sure getting junk tier from epic dungeons was not working as intended. Considering that I got lion seals from the process, my guess is that they mixed up some code somewhere and were awarding content from non-epic versions for epic chests or something.
But if anyone has an official post suggesting otherwise, fair enough.
I switched back to the fire lockboxes, and still have gotten low tradebar drop rates, but I did get a 10 bar drop today, so maybe it's fine. Like I said, I haven't seen any hard figures about it yet.
There is an official statement somewhere about this "bug", and that they will change it back to "normal", but they also said that this change is coming.
With that in mind, do you really think, that there is no change to the lockboxes made for Strongholds?
I'm iffy on the matter. I'm hesitant to simply jumping up and down and screaming THINGS WERE STEALTH NERFED!!! without a lot of evidence, because I consider that sort of thing irresponsible.
We have some anecdotal evidence. And after 3 months of keys, I'll see how many coal wards I've gotten and how many decent lockbox drops I've received (if any).
I understand that, but the development and management teams for Neverwinter have been caught Stealth Nerfing things several times. So this is not a new thing. There is a history here.
these isnt very exciting.
we all do need loads of coalenscene wards and still not enough. getting from invokings seem very far less to get for months.
Under this link, there is some tests of lock boxes but not all. The drop rate of epic mount is really low. The trade bar pot is also quite low. The tradebars is actually included, it is less than 10 if averaged before this mod.
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The Coalescent Ward turned into a Lesser Enchantment and most of the other loot gave me enough AD to buy the lockbox keys bundle.
But perhaps the lower numbers of trade bars from lockboxes is the punishment for getting nearly every time at least one Coalescent Ward from 10 coffers...
I'd love to see an analysis/comparison to the drop rates now compared to those pre-mod 7 numbers.
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I've been opening Magnificent emporium boxes and only gotten 5-10 bars from all of them.
I dumped all my old lockboxes on the AH and now they've jumped in price : |