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NASA TRIBBLE: leaked documents expose chemtrailing operation
hawkwing43
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So is this the reason why we have wild weather now? So much for the foil hats, looks like this isn't a wild conspiracy anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT06a2fmjcA
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Don't lose your tinfoil hat just yet. This holds water about as well as the "faked Moon landings" or "black holes in the LHC".
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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@artan42 : Wait wait wait - there are people who don't understand what contrails are? Plane exhaust = hot (ouchy!), several kilometers above earth = cold (brr!), water in the sky (fluffy clouds!), hot and cold = condensation - you don't need a video for that, but a science textbook from elementary school
I always assumed "chemtrails" is just a running internet gag.
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No we understand that just fine. It's that added junk that gets us mad. And people still wonder why we are having wild weather. Pft
Ooooh its conspiracy joe and the Conspiracyettes live at Area 51
Bringing all your favorite hits like
1) Elvis is behind the UFO cover up
2) Grandma got ran over by a UFO
3) Was that a hubcap those kids were playing frisbee with? aliens
4) Abe lincoln, john lenon, elvis, and mister ed are behind the illuminati
5) Since i dont how else to explain it, must of been that darn sasquatch
6 ) The little green men from that planer zurr, touched me in my no no spot
7) Radio controlled UFO toy , i think not my magic 8 ball says its a real UFO
8) I Wear a tin foil hat and tin foi body armor so my thoughts cant be read and my body cant be violaed by those pesky aliens you humans call girls.
9 ) Ther is no god , not after he was abducted by those alien sasquatch
10 ) Those are not contrails those are chemtrails the plane was flown by elvis and mister ed, and now we have junkies and crack addicts trying to snort the contrails. but infact those are not straws and rolled up dollars they are pointing skyward its their anntanes, because them and everyone else in the world except me. who is hidden in my mothers basement in my tinfoil body arm is aliens or sasquatches or alien sasquatches.
Coming to Area 51 sometime in 2016
Provided they let Conspiracy Joe out of the looney bin.
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There is some evidence that the "wild weather" is in fact the cumulative effect of humans pouring megatons of carbon monoxide into the atmosphere of Earth starting at the beginning of the Industrial Age; there is some discussion of the exact degree to which that's responsible for the overall warming of the planet, but only a few diehards are trying to argue that it's not a factor at all.
There is, on the other tentacle, absolutely no evidence for this silly "chemtrail" idea, and even less for the concept that these "chemtrails", flimsy as they are, could possibly be affecting the climate of the entire planet in any major fashion by themselves. Don't take my word for it; study the science for yourself, then observe the data once you have the background for it. You'll find the conclusions inescapable.
I think what conspiracy joe is basing his crackpot theory on is, cloud seeding which is used to help in rainfall by seding already existing thunderstorm cells with silver iodide or dry ice that when dropped within a weather front, will condense the molecules of water in the atmosphere causing rain fall.
However in conspiracy joes theory , the govt is seeding the atmosphere with chemicals that will make us all addicted to klingon opera and midget pron lol
all part of the illuminatis conspiracy to over throw the world and usher in the age of cheese lol
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As one small reference to the kind of thing I am talking about, here is an *actual* proposal from *actual* high ranking officials:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
The actual US government was considering staging terrorist attacks(including hijacking planes) and blaming it on Cuba as an excuse to invade. Again, that was a real proposal from real officials, not a conspiracy theory.
The ONLY reason we know about that is because that specific operation didn't happen. They don't tell people about the operations that *DO* happen.
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Generally, I agree with you. The problem with situations involving the government is that most of the time any "proof" of wrong doing is hidden away or classified. It's not publicly available, so even if someone is 100% right in what they are saying, that person has no way to prove it. So while there is a "burden or proof", sometimes that burden is impossible to actually meet, even if you are correct in your claim.
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Also, the info I linked to in my previous post was not simply "an agenda". It was a plan to outright *LIE* to the public and *MURDER* innocent people, to trick the public into supporting a war. And again, the only reason we even know about that proposal was because that specific plan didn't happen. We aren't told about the ones that *DO* happen. So, simply calling something that wild "an agenda" would be the understatement of the year.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
True, but without proof, there is no way of separating real stuff from something that the accuser made up.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Another aspect to consider: Let's say those staged terrorist attack proposal had gone through. Are you certain that there wouldn't have been someone figuring it out, or releasing information - some whistle blower?
Snowden is not the first or the last whistle blower that reveals classified information that the government would have preferred to stay secret.
The Watergate scandal had a tiny amount of people involved, each of them with high motivation not to reveal anything, and it still came out. A false flag terrorist operation would likely have involved a lot more people. Just as a chemtrail operation. Or a fake moon landing. Or a lot of other things.
You really need some scientific background on the topic. Basically you are throwing "chemtrails" in one pot with anthopogenic global warming. In very simple terms it works like this: There is a natural fluctuation in Earth's climate, mid temperature going up and down throughout Earth's history. Since the industrial revolution though we mobilise shittons of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases which were previously bound in fossil material (coal, oil, subterranian gas reserves) which were previously uninteresting and unusable. The growing mechanization from having things like cars, motor tools etc. makes it also easy to log more wood and decrease forest cover of the surface and with the forest gone people start building farms and plantations there. When you log/burn forests you also emit tons of carbon dioxide which was stored int he ground and plants (land-use change is the keyword here), the farms that follow might be industrial cattle factories which also produce tons of greenhouse gases and so on - this accumulation of gases humans cause in addition to the natural warming phase causes an increase in global warming and that's our problem.
While jet fuel and air travel have a significant part in this since by burning kerosine the engines blast nasty stuff into the atmosphere just like a car does, only worse, there is nothing else in the jet fuel. Then you might also mix it up with what @jorantomalak said, there are attempts to blast canisters of silver ionide into the atmosphere to destabilize clouds and provoke rainfall in regions where they despertely need it. It is true that this is not unproblematic, but it is hardly a secret. And in the end all of this are different things that do not necessarily belong together.
It would help if you read up on why global warming and weather in general is happening (that's not trivial, it's very complicated actually), what sciences currently do to mitigate effects and so on. It's not magic, it's not a mystery but I admit not all of those information is conveniently available with two clicks. That's real science and if you are serious you have to dig into the matter and read scientific journals and primary sources to understand it.
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No my point is..............If your blame cars for making issues with the climate, then how can you say Planes that fly higher up are not doing worst from what's coming from them. Just to be clear on where I stand.
But on the chemtrail topic. It's been shown that a few planes do spray stuff in the air, to what end and why we the people don't know. It's something that's a need to know, and the guys doing it don't think we need to know. Even though we have to still breath that same air.
Oh come on with all this I need training BS ok. I base what I see on what going on, and how I viewed this world from when I was a kid, until now. And I can say we are going through a planet change. Is it do to us 100% I don't think so. I figure it's a natural event that happens from time to time on the planet Earth. No one needs to study any school books on the weather, just learn how to read nature as a whole.
Remember that conspiracy theorists cant hear your logic over their ranting , stupidity and ignorance.