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Like the Starships: Model errors, issues and feedback thread, I'm hoping to make a catalogue here of known uniform and costume model issues. This means anything from colour inconsistencies, to clipping textures, visual glitches and Canon inconsistencies. When submitting, do not be afraid to be pedantic, as it is the entire point of this thread. Set the bar extra high and encourage the devs to shoot for the stars. 
Please, post only if you have any new info on issues or inconsistencies any ship might have, as posting info already found here will only hamper my efforts to update this thread.
Please utilise http://imgur.com/ (pictures) and http://tiny.cc/ (pages) when submitting info to help keep the bloat down on the front page posts.
Starfleet:
Enterprise era uniforms (circa: 2140s - 2160s)
TOS era (circa: 2265 - 2270)
TMP era uniforms (circa: 2270-2275)
I had hoped to see the security armour added to the set, sans helmet for obvious reasons. Was hoping to give the chest armour and boots to my Chief of Security.
Wrath of Khan era uniforms (circa: 2275-2283)
TNG era Uniforms: (Circa 2366 - 2372)
TNG-era Open-Jacket Uniforms: (circa: 2368 - current)
Please, post only if you have any new info on issues or inconsistencies any ship might have, as posting info already found here will only hamper my efforts to update this thread.
Please utilise http://imgur.com/ (pictures) and http://tiny.cc/ (pages) when submitting info to help keep the bloat down on the front page posts.
Starfleet:
Enterprise era uniforms (circa: 2140s - 2160s)
- Enterprise:
- The fleet patch covers part of the division stripe. It should be moved down a bit.
- The Flag Officer pips on the Enterprise uniform should appear on Both Sides.
- The fleet patch covers part of the division stripe. It should be moved down a bit.
- Mirror Enterprise:
- Male Uniform top: No option for a fleet patch at all.
- Female Uniform top: The fleet patch goes beneath the assignment patch. It would be nice if we could opt to replace the NX-01 assignment patch with our fleet patch / badge.
- Male Uniform top: No option for a fleet patch at all.
- Both sets:
- It would be really nice if the NX-01 silhouette on the ship assignment patch could be replaced with the silhouette of whichever ship class (Primary) to which you are currently assigned, if the text: "Enterprise" (Non-mirror) could be replaced with your ship's name, and if the "NX-01" (Mirror) could be replaced with your ship's registry (if you chose not to replace it with your fleet patch).
TOS era (circa: 2265 - 2270)
- The current male jumpers seem to be utilising the pattern from the JJTrek uniforms. The TOS uniforms have a more subtle seam and an upward curve over the breast as opposed to the straight line seams of the STO/JJtrek jumpers.
- The trousers are a bit too shiny, as if they are made of vinyl or leather instead of cloth.
- Combining a Ferengi with a TOS jumper or wrap tunic and the Stern stance gives you a big triangular hole in the back of the character's neck through which you can see whatever's in front of you.
- Mirror Universe: Missing the captain's sparkly wrap with fringed shoulders, missing Scotty's knee high boots, missing the miscellaneous medals they wear opposite the Terran Empire patch.
- NPCs sporting TOS Vulcan hairstyles in the TOS ship interiors have sideburns that do not meet original Starfleet regulations
- Command wrap tunic should have the ranks on the shoulders or the cuffs, not both. Unable to change shoulder rank.
- Missing female Dress uniforms. Should be shiny like the current nurse's uniform, but with the ability to add medals and decorations and change the collar colour. Examples: 1 2
TMP era uniforms (circa: 2270-2275)
(Legend: RDML = Rear Admiral (Lower Half) RADM = Rear Admiral (Upper Half) VADM = Vice Admiral )
Starting from top to bottom: (Images taken from: http://www.fastcopyinc.com/orionpress/uniforms/starfleet_uniforms_circa_2270.htm )
Starting from top to bottom: (Images taken from: http://www.fastcopyinc.com/orionpress/uniforms/starfleet_uniforms_circa_2270.htm )
- The uniform collar does not deform with the player / BO body like the rest of the uniform. BOs / Players with larger than normal necks (by any margin) clip horribly with the collar. Using the "Stern" stance exacerbates the clipping.
- Crew neck variant missing
- The epaulette ranks for RADM and above are using bars instead of starbursts:
- Male (comm)badges are the only ones with colour tintable backgrounds. (TMP era uniforms use the background of their badges to indicate their career path: Colours and the departments they represent.)
- Short sleeve variant missing
- Rank braids on the cuffs use the TOS braids instead of the changed TMP braids:
- Horrible clipping in the nethers whilst sitting in the captain's chair. [pic not provided out of decency]
- The trousers make female toons' calves look enormous. Serious cankles going on, there.
I had hoped to see the security armour added to the set, sans helmet for obvious reasons. Was hoping to give the chest armour and boots to my Chief of Security.
PodSix wrote:
- The "straps" for the belt are the wrong colour, and should match the center section, not the outside section.
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9193/screenshot2010122409241.png- The insignia pin should be a patch for all uniforms EXCEPT the admiralty/dress uniform, and the field should be colour changeable to white, green, yellow, red, etc.
See picture above.- The insignia is RIDICULOUSLY LARGE on female characters.
See picture above.- The sleeve color shows on the top of the back of the collar, but not in the very front.
(my impression is that this is incorrect anyways, and should not show at all)
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/173/tmpuniformerrorcollar.png- Rank braids clip badly on female sleeves
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9411/tmpuniformerrorrank.png- Epaulets should be optional while still showing sleeve rank.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sonak- There is no beige in the colour picker (the C-Store image shows us a colour we can't make). There is also no powder blue, and nothing close enough to the ocher either.. Basically we can create almost NONE of the Canon colours for these uniforms. Therefore the ONLY canon uniforms that can be created with this are the Admiral's dress uniform, and the "white" version.
http://www.st-spike.org/pages/uniforms/2273-2277/uniforms.htm- Epaulet rank insignia are white, while sleeve braids are gold (before tinting). both share the same tinting group.
Suggestions for change:
I suggest changing the TMP uniform to two shirts. one with epaulets, one without. Fix the colour on the collar, fix the colour on the belt. Set separate colur groups for sleeve rank and shoulder ranks (if shown). add some more light colours to the colour pallet. Make holes in the "pin" and/ir make the "field" section colourable, with "white" as an option.
Wrath of Khan era uniforms (circa: 2275-2283)
- Colour bleed around shoulder strap and collar: 1 2
- Belt is incredibly thick and chunky
- Missing shoulder strap and left sleeve rank insignia selection
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Additional picture of the sleeve rank insignia along with the "pips and squeeks" which represent length of service / duty.
TNG era Uniforms: (Circa 2366 - 2372)
- 2366-2369 (TNG) Female left arms 2-3 cm too high, appears to be a clipping error.
- 2370s (Voyager era) commbadges clip with female chests (*ahem* bust size seems to exacerbate the amount of clipping).
- TNG uniform still folds badly when using the Thoughtful stance.
TNG-era Open-Jacket Uniforms: (circa: 2368 - current)
- Captain's shirt variant is only ever seen under the TNG Captain's jacket, which isn't available currently - never the DS9/TNG movie tops.
- The 'open jacket versions of the DS9/TNG movie uniforms should logically be the open top with the coloured department undershirt visible.
- On that note, the TNG movie version can also be worn open over the 'Captains' Vest' - alternatively, the vest can be worn without the jacket over the top, similar to the Captain variant shirt.
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STO Original Uniforms
Bajoran Militia Uniforms
Off Duty clothing
Starfleet Uniform Requests
Klingon BO Honour Sash / Baldric
Flight Suits
Option to remove Cummerbund from AGT uniforms.
Races:
Uniforms
KDF Uniform Requests
We're getting additional factions, after all. I think I've learned my lesson with the Starship model: errors, issues and feedback thread.
I'm 90% sure the AGT uniform *does* have a cumberbund: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Reginald_Barclay,_Endgame.jpg
My mistake
My pleasure, I should have done it sooner.
Couple of improvements I can think of, off the top of my head:
TMP Uniform:
- Collar on male uniform is the Admiral 'high neck' version - regular collar should be lower, with a shape more like that of the TOS uniform.
- Badge is a flat patch (like the 'Enterprise' arm patch) with a black outline - Starfleet arrowhead is (normally) silver, with the background circle in the department colour.
- Admiral uniform badge, however, is a solid metal version of the above, very similar to the 'Wrath of Khan' uniform belt buckle.
Reference:
TMP Officers' Uniform (Sciences division badge)
TMP Admiral's Uniform
TNG-era Open-Jacket Uniforms:
- Captain's shirt variant is only ever seen under the TNG Captain's jacket, which isn't available currently - never the DS9/TNG movie tops.
- The 'open jacket versions of the DS9/TNG movie uniforms should logically be the open top with the coloured department undershirt visible.
- On that note, the TNG movie version can also be worn open over the 'Captains' Vest' - alternatively, the vest can be worn without the jacket over the top, similar to the Captain variant shirt.
Reference:
Picard's Jacket - TNG
Command Vest - First Contact
Janeway with jacket off, showing the DS9/VOY shirt
Security Officer with TNG movie jacket open
Added a request / wish list section to the bottom.
Still looking for any other additions to this list, contributions are welcome.
At the time I was playing with the uniforms, I was a bit tired and didn't check the jackets. I'll do that in a bit.
Look at the seams on it, and the overall shape/cut...
Yup - it's essentially the same as the 2009 movie uniform, which was in the pre-release version of the game until any Abrams-trek content was pulled.
Basically, the pattern's been removed, and the TOS assignment patches added. But in terms of the actual modelling, it's the alternate reality uniform.
Comparison:
Cast photo - Abrams Trek
The original cast in 'Arena', from the re-mastered original Star Trek
Wow, I never noticed. The original uniforms look as if they were woven in the shape of shirts. Not a single seam on them, anywhere (save the collar). I'll add this to the first page.
This is my biggest complaint with the AGT uniforms. The shorter the toon, the more the clipping of the rank pins is an issue. My toon that's pictured in the link is 5'8". It doesn't matter what stance the toon uses, the clipping is an issue regardless. Some stances aren't as bad as others though. This issue has been around since the day the AGT uniforms went on sale in the C-Store.
Edited the first post to reflect that.
True enough, very good catch:
The shoulder rank clearly has the two solid braids and the single broken braid segment indicating captain. This means it would be simple to replicate the other ranks onto the shoulders. (Though it might not look so nice, depending on the rank.)
However, the ranks on the wrap tunic are displayed either on the shoulders or the cuffs, not both.
Thank you
This is incorrect. I think you need to watch more of the episodes and not rely on still images where the details cannot be seen clearly. The TOS uniforms clearly had seems on them right where they are on the in-game models. The seems also folded inward, as they do in-game, not outward as they do in JJTrek. The only difference with the in-game models is that the seems stand out a little more than they did in the series most of the time.
Watch Season One, you'll see.
More bugs for you to post. Some of these may have been mentioned already.
Bajoran Militia Uniform Issues:
1. General Epaulets (and pips) are not color-able and are gold by default. Really, if they are not going to be color-able then they should at least be the right color, Silver. The best idea would be to make them color-able, like every other rank pip in the game.
2. The decorative cut-out on the Belt is wrong. It should be three slits in a diagonal pattern, not vertical.
3. The Male version of both uniform tops is wrong. At the point where the shoulder color goes under the arms it should dip slightly in the same way as the Female versions of the uniforms.
4. There is no Medical variant of the uniform. Kira's jumpsuit variants we can wait on, but leaving out the Medical variant is just short sighted.
Persistent Costume Bugs:
1. The TNG uniform still folds badly when using the Thoughtful stance.
2. The Orion Harnesses cannot be used with the Bare Chest options for Orion Males. See these guides: Orion Male 1 and Orion Male 2. These are based on Orion outfits as seen in Enterprise and are nearly identical to the ones you can currently see in-game in the Stranded in Space mission. Also, using them with any kind of Armor causes very bad clipping and total obscuration of some parts of the Harnesses.
3. The General pips on the Enterprise uniform should appear on Both Sides. There must be something you can do to assure that a badge will not appear in the same place.
4. Pattern Bug on the Wraparound Robe
5. Still missing proper Belt, Pants, Boots and Baldric (Worn over left shoulder, not right) for TOS Klingon uniforms. Also still missing the Female variant.
6. WoK uniform is in desperate need of a revamp, especially the Belt. The current buckle looks flimsy and cheap. It should look more substantial, like this. Also, Rank pins should be adjustable and a full variety of the uniforms from WoK through UC could justify another pack to sell on the C-Store.
:cool:
I'm going off of reports, just like this one.
For testing purposes turn the jacket black and all thats underneath white.
I dont know from which stance this was, but probably normal or relaxed.
And the body itself was nothing rediculous. Quite standard.
Thanks Cryptic
http://www.st-spike.org/pages/uniforms/2373-2394/ranks.htm
Anything with multiple layers tends to clip quite badly. Stance and body shape and movement (especially movement) will exacerbate this. An example is wearing the veteran jacket over something as simple and slim as tight trousers like the 7 of 9 leotard. Combining those two on a slim female avatar in the "seductive" stance will have her hips and glutes poking out through the base of the jacket.
The current TNG rank pins look pretty much spot on from my perspective. Could you be more illustrative with your description so I can understand what you are trying to assert?
Added.
Also, and this is directed to everyone, there is a section labelled Starfleet Uniform Requests. If anyone has any uniform requests for Starfleet, I'll add them there. If anyone has any KDF uniform requests, I'll add them to the end of the KDF uniform section.