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Battle Cloak for Raptors! - what do you think?
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You read it.
The ship has a point, it is the highest DPS ship of the Klingons.
It just has two problems, or better, it lacks two TRUMP abilities:
The BoP has
1. Battle Cloak
PLUS
2. Uni Slots
I would use a Raptor, but a BoP in a Raptor-like BO setup still has the battle cloak which totally trumps the extra dps and hull a Raptor has.
Till then, when playing my Fed, I will go on shooting Raptors for sure. They can run, but they can't hide like a certain Bird. :rolleyes:
The ship has a point, it is the highest DPS ship of the Klingons.
It just has two problems, or better, it lacks two TRUMP abilities:
The BoP has
1. Battle Cloak
PLUS
2. Uni Slots
I would use a Raptor, but a BoP in a Raptor-like BO setup still has the battle cloak which totally trumps the extra dps and hull a Raptor has.
Till then, when playing my Fed, I will go on shooting Raptors for sure. They can run, but they can't hide like a certain Bird. :rolleyes:
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it sucks that we can be prevented from cloaking because we have to wait for the torpedo we out ran to finally catch up and explode...even though the damage was calculated for the impact way before impact.
S*D
They allready wants nerfs to our existing ships but yet we still lack sci specific ships!
Maybe if they got some integral weapons cooldown bonus, or as weapons effectiveness bonus like escorts get.
I would have to say for those conditions would be to make the cloaking effect more cannon in which it takes about 5 seconds to totally complete where the ship is being enveloped in the cloaking field and its shields are down leaving you vulnerable, I know you won't like it but it is cannon to the way star trek cloaking technology exists. Also I would have to add in that the detection tech that the federation have such as scan sweep that only science officers use be extended to 10km weapons range, which would make it easier to pull you out when you enter weapons range. Remember cloak is meant for espionage and sneak attacks not just for running away so it should have some major disadvantages should someone actually manage to reveal you, right now you have a 5km gap which is massive to which you can close into being in weapons range before any detection abilities have the remote chance to reveal you.
(EDIT) I forgot to add when I typed this originally with that 5 seconds of vulnerability once it expires all torpedoes that haven't hit you lose track and automatically miss. So if you manage to survive for those 5 seconds not being hit by torpedoes you will be fine cause the rest of the torps have lost track of you and miss completely.
Uhhhhh . . . no.
So, exactly how battle cloak works now? It takes 3 seconds from the time the button is pushed and drops your shields to complete the battle cloak and become untargetable. So, as an attacking Fed, you have 3 seconds to pound my hull while I'm cloaking, and any torpedoes launched will continue to track and hit me no matter how much time passes after I cloak.
As to the topic at hand, I have no opinion . . . I think battle cloak is grossly overrated, I used a Raptor through T2 and didn't miss it.
A possible compromise would be a 5 s , cloak time on a bigger ship with more hit points ? Don't forget at some point Romulans will be added and all their ships have battle cloak , so some system needs to be in place to accomadate that faction. So Feds need to L2P.
What we should probably do is make it into a Science ship -- give it the science ship attacks (Target Subsystem abilities integrated into the ship), the science ship shield buff and rework the consoles to be basically like a science ship. BOP would continue its role as the cloaking DPS while the battle cruiser is the DPS/tank and then Raptor is the Science ship (in T5 the carrier is a science ship but the Raptor would still have a place as "the science ship that doesn't turn like a slug").
That would make sense and is probably the easiest thing to do.
Although I also think it's true that a lack of good Tactical BOFF abilities hurts the Raptor (and Federation Escorts too). Having two Tactical BOFF positions really isn't that useful, especially if one of them is an Ensign. Ensign tactical abilities are TRIBBLE. High Yield Torp can be good but you don't really need two of them and there are no Ensign cannon abilities.
So, optionally, Cryptic could go back to the drawing board and give us some more tactical BOFF powers that don't totally suck and then maybe those extra Raptor seats would be worth something.
Also, if Raptors had Battle Cloak, hardly anyone would fly a BoP... Add to that Universal slots in Raptors, and nobody would fly a BoP at all...
The desire of Raptors over BoP is higher DPS at the cost of no Battle Cloak. If you want Battle Cloak, fly a BoP..
On my Feds, I almost always kill BoPs that cloak in combat.
I've got to say that I really don't see the problem with Raptors though, especially as compared to Fed escorts. The hardest thing about skippering an escort is that everybody will shoot you first, and your ship is pretty fragile so to be most effective you really need to get a couple seconds of firing on your target before they return fire. The regular cloak makes that incredibly easy.
The real problem is that tactical BOs suck, and tactical captains (who are likely to skipper an escort) kind of suck.