Ok, so let me get this straight OP....instead of allowing the devs to patch the servers AT THE SAME TIME as dealing with an emergency downtime, you'd prefer them to spend an hour or two dealing with the emergency issue and THEN take the servers down a second time to do the patch.
Sorry, but that's inefficient and downright selfish. No, they did not plan to take the servers down early, it just happened.
So what if the servers are down for a few hours? They were going to be down for a few hours anyhow. It just happened to co-incide with YOUR playtime. Whenever the servers go down, it will **** someone off. However by doing both the maintentance and the patching together, meant one less downtime later on.
But hang on, oh yes......the officially announced downtime would be when YOU won't want be playing, so therefore that second downtime doesn't matter to you. Sheesh.
We'll worry about Europe again the next time we have to save a bunch of you from a different bunch of you. Well, except for France. They'll just surrender to someone and be done.
ok,Dumb TRIBBLE;now ill speak on this issue ive avoided up untill now.
The usa only involved itself in the war against TRIBBLE Germany & Hitler (who they supported & put on cover of time magazine as man of the Year) because it was evident that germany was going to lose against Russia on the Eastern front,and the USA,only out of self preservation decided to get involved;I had grand parents that were in Jappaneese Prisioner of war camp in Burma fighting for Americans,because the deal was that Britain & her comonwealth 1st help America defete Japan then the USA would help defete TRIBBLE Germany.
& Japan was defeted military long time before The WAR CRIME of dropping 2 NUCLEAR BOMBS on civilien population;acts of sheer Spite,Hate & Evil.There was no military Reason for doing so.
I dont care so much about the downtime as the desicion to **** everyone over with no warning if you say your going to do something @ 3am then do it at 3am don't say aw well they won't mind its none of there concren anyhow thats called professionalism and cryptic needs a refresher course
Cant they "hail" everyone in the game?
That said, I saw the "We will be shutting down the server for maintenance" post on the STO log in screen. :rolleyes:
ok,Dumb TRIBBLE;now ill speak on this issue ive avoided up untill now.
The usa only involved itself in the war against TRIBBLE Germany & Hitler (who they supported & put on cover of time magazine as man of the Year) because it was evident that germany was going to lose against Russia on the Eastern front,and the USA,only out of self preservation decided to get involved;I had grand parents that were in Jappaneese Prisioner of war camp in Burma fighting for Americans,because the deal was that Britain & her comonwealth 1st help America defete Japan then the USA would help defete TRIBBLE Germany.
& Japan was defeted military long time before The WAR CRIME of dropping 2 NUCLEAR BOMBS on civilien population;acts of sheer Spite,Hate & Evil.There was no military Reason for doing so.
While the person you were replying to was insultingly simplistic, you just set the world record for most unsupported opinions and inaccurate statements in one post.
I dont understand this, when you purchased this game. You knew it was made by an american company, you knew that it was a subscription based game maintained in america by an american company. So its only logical that any work done on the server is done at a time that is convenient to them.
Ive played many MMO's, some with foreign servers. I knew and understood why updates where done at specific time and I didnt cry about it. Yet people want to cry about it now that the shoe is on the other foot, and it seriously upsets me.
Everyone here knew what they where getting when they purchased the game, yet complain because its inconvenient for them.
On other MMO forums, I have seen someone from america complain about the update times. And I will say what I have seen in a hundred replies.....Deal with it.
who they supported & put on cover of time magazine as man of the Year
TIME Magazine's Man of the Year is a distinction that represents influence. To quote the magazine, "for better or for worse, ...has done the most to influence the events of the year." It would be hard to argue that Hitler was not the most influential man in the world in 1938, the year he was on the cover. And while National Socialism had its sympathizers in the United States, that was not unique to America. But to claim that the United States supported Hitler and Nazism directly contradicts not only official policy but actual foreign policy of the time.
The usa only involved itself in the war against TRIBBLE Germany & Hitler because it was evident that germany was going to lose against Russia on the Eastern front,
The existence of Destroyers for Bases, Lend-Lease, the Africa Campaign, and the Italian campaign make your argument not only misleading, but dismissive of the effort and deaths of thousands of American servicemen who died in those campaigns. All of this took place before the Eastern Front could be considered decided in any fashion, and certainly not in favor of the Soviet Union. The timing of D-Day is open to discussion, but the delay has a number of explanations, none of which isolate simply the United States as responsible.
I had grand parents that were in Jappaneese Prisioner of war camp in Burma fighting for Americans,because the deal was that Britain & her comonwealth 1st help America defete Japan then the USA would help defete TRIBBLE Germany.
Burma, like much of South East Asia and Indochina, was invaded on or about the same date as the Pearl Harbor attacks. British and American outposts were overwhelmed. Furthermore, your statement about some order of victory agreement is in direct contradiction with the Arcadia Conference - which quite explicitly stated that Europe would be first. Also, the date for D-Day was set during the Tehran Conference in late 1943, when the Red Army had only just begun pushing back the Wehrmacht. Again, victory on the Eastern front was far from certain.
& Japan was defeted military long time before The WAR CRIME of dropping 2 NUCLEAR BOMBS on civilien population;acts of sheer Spite,Hate & Evil.There was no military Reason for doing so
The existence of Operation Downfall (Allied invasion plans) and Operation Ketsugō (Japanese defense plans), Kyūjō Incident (attempted hawk coup) put into serious question your claim of "no military reason for doing so." Japan was defeated, but made no effort to admit it to themselves, let alone anyone else. This is a controversial issue so I will go no further, but to toss aside so many facts as you do in your claim is intellectually dishonest.
yeah;so say you,but of course look at your location..America.
its like putting the TRIBBLE's as Jury at the Hindenburg trials.
I'll pretend I didn't read that.
Who trained/financed Al Quaeda the taliban & osama ben laden,who gave them explosives,assault rifles and stinger missiles?????
Oversimplification. The United States funded the mujahideen in a proxy war in a similar way to how the Communists funded the Vietcong and NVA in the Vietnam War. The serious rebels in Afghanistan looked upon bin Laden's forces - and others like him - as tourists more concerned with martyrdom than victory. Bin Laden himself fought in a small handful of minor engagements that had no impact on the war. The Cold War led to a lot of problems that we still have to deal with today. Only an ideologue would dispute this. But history carries with it consequences, many of which we are still dealing with today from the era of European colonialism. In history, no-one's hands are clean.
Plus, I'm insulted by your terrible example. What about the United States wars against and subjugation of Native Americans? What about the blatant land grab of the Mexican-American War? Or the thinly veined entrance into colonialism that was the Spanish-American War? Or the Opium Wars where we fought for the right to continue selling drugs to China? Oh, right, that was Great Britain. Or the Algerian War where the US ruthlessly struggled to maintain control over a Muslim country. Or was that France? Again in history, no-one's hands are clean.
So the business interests of a Senator from a minority party, who happens to be a relative of several presidents, is indicative of American foreign policy and the source of your vitriolic diatribe against America? This isn't to deny that Hitler didn't have powerful sympathizers abroad (like Edward VIII of England, or Joseph Stalin, who was content to divide up the sovereign state of Poland with Hitler before the latter's inevitable betrayal, for example?), but to say it guided US actions is deliberately misleading.
Your cherry picking and misleading statements betray an agenda. You need to work on your rhetorical skills. I don't care about relative national prestige, or who created what, or who deserves server time more than the other, but I'll be damned if I'll be accused of bias by someone who clearly displays the symptoms of it themselves.
1st Your statements are reasonable;however i dissagree om the points and your elusion to osamas training financial & military backing,as also to the involvement of the Bush Dynasty in financing & profiting from both the 1st & 2nd world wars and the Holocaust,which investigations;if you read the full article i linked are ongoing.
It was britain & france at the dsresden convention that decided to allow Hitler to take over Chec-slovak-ia.
as to Stalin;who knows? but Hitler renaged on what ever pact he made with stalin,as did europe with the pacts they made with hitler.
What is a common thread through out is That British/European/American business's made a lot of money from Hitler,his rise to power & his business machine.
I guess we will always be puppets of the Bankers/Mega corporations.
Heres an extract from that article.
:article start
"This was the mechanism by which Hitler was funded to come to power, this was the mechanism by which the Third Reich's defence industry was re-armed, this was the mechanism by which TRIBBLE profits were repatriated back to the American owners, this was the mechanism by which investigations into the financial laundering of the Third Reich were blunted," said Loftus, who is vice-chairman of the Holocaust Museum in St Petersburg.
"The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the TRIBBLE, for Fritz Thyssen," said Loftus. "At various times, the Bush family has tried to spin it, saying they were owned by a Dutch bank and it wasn't until the TRIBBLE took over Holland that they realised that now the TRIBBLE controlled the apparent company and that is why the Bush supporters claim when the war was over they got their money back. Both the American treasury investigations and the intelligence investigations in Europe completely bely that, it's absolute horseshit. They always knew who the ultimate beneficiaries were."
"There is no one left alive who could be prosecuted but they did get away with it," said Loftus. "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany."
:article end
Kind Edward VII was supportive of TRIBBLE Germany,yes;which is why the british government forced his abdication.
Its evident that people have different opinions,and thaughts.
& let us remember thats what my grandparents/uncles & most proberbly your realitives fought to protect also.
When im wrong,ill gladly admit my error."It was is Wrong for Me Or Anyone to blame AMERICANS for the bad things a Minority of Your Citizens have been responsible for,as it for Anyone To Catagorise a whole Nation as such but for the Decelarations & Avtions of its Leadership"
In time when more documents are uncovered and more carefull unbiased analysis is conducted,then hopefully progress can be made.Its not helpfull when records are burried under legislation for what ever excusse.
Let me now say to you as if no-one else were here and its was just the both of us talking.
"America as a whole;not meaning the goood citizens of your country,have an attitude that the world owes them everything.Where in fact the World owes each other everything,and without the efforts of the good,those that care about right & wrong;who have sacrificed & sacrifice,we would not be able to talk freely as we do now"
We got differences;the only way we can resolve our differences is through discussion.
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Sorry, but that's inefficient and downright selfish. No, they did not plan to take the servers down early, it just happened.
So what if the servers are down for a few hours? They were going to be down for a few hours anyhow. It just happened to co-incide with YOUR playtime. Whenever the servers go down, it will **** someone off. However by doing both the maintentance and the patching together, meant one less downtime later on.
But hang on, oh yes......the officially announced downtime would be when YOU won't want be playing, so therefore that second downtime doesn't matter to you. Sheesh.
Get a grip OP and think of the bigger picture.
ok,Dumb TRIBBLE;now ill speak on this issue ive avoided up untill now.
The usa only involved itself in the war against TRIBBLE Germany & Hitler (who they supported & put on cover of time magazine as man of the Year) because it was evident that germany was going to lose against Russia on the Eastern front,and the USA,only out of self preservation decided to get involved;I had grand parents that were in Jappaneese Prisioner of war camp in Burma fighting for Americans,because the deal was that Britain & her comonwealth 1st help America defete Japan then the USA would help defete TRIBBLE Germany.
& Japan was defeted military long time before The WAR CRIME of dropping 2 NUCLEAR BOMBS on civilien population;acts of sheer Spite,Hate & Evil.There was no military Reason for doing so.
Cant they "hail" everyone in the game?
That said, I saw the "We will be shutting down the server for maintenance" post on the STO log in screen. :rolleyes:
While the person you were replying to was insultingly simplistic, you just set the world record for most unsupported opinions and inaccurate statements in one post.
its like putting the TRIBBLE's as Jury at the Hindenburg trials.
This is a game forum, not a political one, discussions about politic, war and so on have nothing to do here - Seadgir
Ive played many MMO's, some with foreign servers. I knew and understood why updates where done at specific time and I didnt cry about it. Yet people want to cry about it now that the shoe is on the other foot, and it seriously upsets me.
Everyone here knew what they where getting when they purchased the game, yet complain because its inconvenient for them.
On other MMO forums, I have seen someone from america complain about the update times. And I will say what I have seen in a hundred replies.....Deal with it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
TIME Magazine's Man of the Year is a distinction that represents influence. To quote the magazine, "for better or for worse, ...has done the most to influence the events of the year." It would be hard to argue that Hitler was not the most influential man in the world in 1938, the year he was on the cover. And while National Socialism had its sympathizers in the United States, that was not unique to America. But to claim that the United States supported Hitler and Nazism directly contradicts not only official policy but actual foreign policy of the time.
The existence of Destroyers for Bases, Lend-Lease, the Africa Campaign, and the Italian campaign make your argument not only misleading, but dismissive of the effort and deaths of thousands of American servicemen who died in those campaigns. All of this took place before the Eastern Front could be considered decided in any fashion, and certainly not in favor of the Soviet Union. The timing of D-Day is open to discussion, but the delay has a number of explanations, none of which isolate simply the United States as responsible.
Burma, like much of South East Asia and Indochina, was invaded on or about the same date as the Pearl Harbor attacks. British and American outposts were overwhelmed. Furthermore, your statement about some order of victory agreement is in direct contradiction with the Arcadia Conference - which quite explicitly stated that Europe would be first. Also, the date for D-Day was set during the Tehran Conference in late 1943, when the Red Army had only just begun pushing back the Wehrmacht. Again, victory on the Eastern front was far from certain.
The existence of Operation Downfall (Allied invasion plans) and Operation Ketsugō (Japanese defense plans), Kyūjō Incident (attempted hawk coup) put into serious question your claim of "no military reason for doing so." Japan was defeated, but made no effort to admit it to themselves, let alone anyone else. This is a controversial issue so I will go no further, but to toss aside so many facts as you do in your claim is intellectually dishonest.
I'll pretend I didn't read that.
Oversimplification. The United States funded the mujahideen in a proxy war in a similar way to how the Communists funded the Vietcong and NVA in the Vietnam War. The serious rebels in Afghanistan looked upon bin Laden's forces - and others like him - as tourists more concerned with martyrdom than victory. Bin Laden himself fought in a small handful of minor engagements that had no impact on the war. The Cold War led to a lot of problems that we still have to deal with today. Only an ideologue would dispute this. But history carries with it consequences, many of which we are still dealing with today from the era of European colonialism. In history, no-one's hands are clean.
Plus, I'm insulted by your terrible example. What about the United States wars against and subjugation of Native Americans? What about the blatant land grab of the Mexican-American War? Or the thinly veined entrance into colonialism that was the Spanish-American War? Or the Opium Wars where we fought for the right to continue selling drugs to China? Oh, right, that was Great Britain. Or the Algerian War where the US ruthlessly struggled to maintain control over a Muslim country. Or was that France? Again in history, no-one's hands are clean.
So the business interests of a Senator from a minority party, who happens to be a relative of several presidents, is indicative of American foreign policy and the source of your vitriolic diatribe against America? This isn't to deny that Hitler didn't have powerful sympathizers abroad (like Edward VIII of England, or Joseph Stalin, who was content to divide up the sovereign state of Poland with Hitler before the latter's inevitable betrayal, for example?), but to say it guided US actions is deliberately misleading.
Your cherry picking and misleading statements betray an agenda. You need to work on your rhetorical skills. I don't care about relative national prestige, or who created what, or who deserves server time more than the other, but I'll be damned if I'll be accused of bias by someone who clearly displays the symptoms of it themselves.
1st Your statements are reasonable;however i dissagree om the points and your elusion to osamas training financial & military backing,as also to the involvement of the Bush Dynasty in financing & profiting from both the 1st & 2nd world wars and the Holocaust,which investigations;if you read the full article i linked are ongoing.
It was britain & france at the dsresden convention that decided to allow Hitler to take over Chec-slovak-ia.
as to Stalin;who knows? but Hitler renaged on what ever pact he made with stalin,as did europe with the pacts they made with hitler.
What is a common thread through out is That British/European/American business's made a lot of money from Hitler,his rise to power & his business machine.
I guess we will always be puppets of the Bankers/Mega corporations.
Heres an extract from that article.
:article start
"This was the mechanism by which Hitler was funded to come to power, this was the mechanism by which the Third Reich's defence industry was re-armed, this was the mechanism by which TRIBBLE profits were repatriated back to the American owners, this was the mechanism by which investigations into the financial laundering of the Third Reich were blunted," said Loftus, who is vice-chairman of the Holocaust Museum in St Petersburg.
"The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the TRIBBLE, for Fritz Thyssen," said Loftus. "At various times, the Bush family has tried to spin it, saying they were owned by a Dutch bank and it wasn't until the TRIBBLE took over Holland that they realised that now the TRIBBLE controlled the apparent company and that is why the Bush supporters claim when the war was over they got their money back. Both the American treasury investigations and the intelligence investigations in Europe completely bely that, it's absolute horseshit. They always knew who the ultimate beneficiaries were."
"There is no one left alive who could be prosecuted but they did get away with it," said Loftus. "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany."
:article end
Kind Edward VII was supportive of TRIBBLE Germany,yes;which is why the british government forced his abdication.
Its evident that people have different opinions,and thaughts.
& let us remember thats what my grandparents/uncles & most proberbly your realitives fought to protect also.
When im wrong,ill gladly admit my error."It was is Wrong for Me Or Anyone to blame AMERICANS for the bad things a Minority of Your Citizens have been responsible for,as it for Anyone To Catagorise a whole Nation as such but for the Decelarations & Avtions of its Leadership"
In time when more documents are uncovered and more carefull unbiased analysis is conducted,then hopefully progress can be made.Its not helpfull when records are burried under legislation for what ever excusse.
Let me now say to you as if no-one else were here and its was just the both of us talking.
"America as a whole;not meaning the goood citizens of your country,have an attitude that the world owes them everything.Where in fact the World owes each other everything,and without the efforts of the good,those that care about right & wrong;who have sacrificed & sacrifice,we would not be able to talk freely as we do now"
We got differences;the only way we can resolve our differences is through discussion.
Lets all try to consider others.