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monkeyman4410monkeyman4410 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
a number of years ago, it was promised that we would be getting Away Teams in Space, as well as the ability to promote Bridge Officers to Captain rank, it was said it was going to come along with the level cap increase and increase in Player Rank to Fleet Admiral, but it never happened... is that something that's still being worked on, or was it completely either abandoned or forgotten? i'm not trying to demand a huge change like this, but I just would appreciate anything about it's progress, or if it was ever announced that it was going to be abandoned and I missed it. thank you for your time.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,898 Community Moderator
    That was never promised.
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  • darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,807 Community Moderator
    The whole promotion to captain thing was only ever a rumor and never officially confirmed. When folks learned about the increase they started speculating and that's all it ever was, speculation. Same thing with the away teams in space thing. People assumed that because of the admiralty system we could summon our other ships to fly with us and that was never the case.
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    edited July 2023
    I think it was somewhere in-between a rumor and a promise.

    It wasn't really promised as in 'this feature WILL be released', but it was more than just rumors if I'm not mistaken. They were definitely working on it at some point but, IIRC, there were some issues that led them to abandon it. I also remember someone stating that the Jem'Hadar wingmen mechanic was developed in its place.

    The wiki used to have some info on it, but it seems to have been removed (and the entire section of 'older ideas' given its own page - it used to be on the main page for upcoming content).

    https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Upcoming_content/Older_ideas


    Since it specifies at the top of the page:
    The following is an archive of future additions that have been mentioned by the developers and not retracted since then, yet over 12 months have gone by since they were last mentioned.

    My guess is that it either has been abandoned officially indeed - or it was mentioned sometime in the past 12 months (which I doubt, as I can't remember any of the Ten Forward notes for example mentioning it recently).

    There are some other, slightly ideas there that we haven't heard about for a while, like the
    First Officers will grant additional lower-level Captain powers depending on their respective specialization.


    Some interesting, unrelated ideas: the Merian class and the expansion of the Doff system (which I believe was going to be made into something more resembling Admiralty).
  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    Ehm, small correction: as far as I know, the feature I referred to above was about giving our Boffs command of other ships in our roster (so that you could lead a task force of ships).

    Whether it included promotion of boffs to captain rank, I don't remember exactly, but I vaguely recall it being part of that same feature.

    But again, it wasn't promised as a guaranteed release or anything indeed.
  • realdarklordrealdarklord Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    Ehm, small correction: as far as I know, the feature I referred to above was about giving our Boffs command of other ships in our roster (so that you could lead a task force of ships).

    That rumor was just the result of speculation and wild guesses when cryptic announced the admirality-system.

  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    Ehm, small correction: as far as I know, the feature I referred to above was about giving our Boffs command of other ships in our roster (so that you could lead a task force of ships).

    That rumor was just the result of speculation and wild guesses when cryptic announced the admirality-system.

    Nah, I'm pretty sure there even have been development-related comments on in Ten Forward/live stream notes.

    Unfortunately the guy who posted most of those threads has been banned and the threads themselves are therefore hard to trace. There are too many of them anyway, and it must have been a while ago. Scrolling down through my own comments isn't very helpful either, since I'm not even sure what keyword to search for.

    I may simply be misremembering, but I'm pretty certain that the feature was seriously considered at some point.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,898 Community Moderator
    It was a talking point at one time many years ago. That's all. Nothing was ever promised, though. I believe the idea itself morphed into the Elite BOFF tokens we have now. As for calling in a support fleet, we have plenty of options for that already: Nimbus Pirate Distress Call, Delta Alliance Support Squadron, Swarmer Beacon, Beacon of Kahless, Flagship Distress Call. You just can't customize them.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,372 Arc User
    I seems to recall one reasons it was dropped that Cryptic couldn't figure out a way to deal with variety of ships (many which have no NPC counterparts) players have in a way that would satisfy players and not bee too much effort for the gains.
  • novapolaris#2925 novapolaris Member Posts: 805 Arc User
    edited July 2023
    I remember that talk came up at some point from staff, too, but I don't know if it was ever promised, even if I thought it was.
    I'd still love to see a system like that made someday as an optional thing, though. Even if you need to handle the builds for your own ships entirely yourself instead of them being made copy-paste NPC builds, even if that's an element.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,661 Arc User
    edited July 2023
    People do seem to misremember talk like "looking at" or "thinking about" or "would like to" as "we promise we will deliver this feature."

    On the other hand, we were promised playable Horta captains in a blog back in early 2016, and I'm still waiting. No Kill I !
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited July 2023
    People do seem to misremember talk like "looking at" or "thinking about" or "would like to" as "we promise we will deliver this feature."

    On the other hand, we were promised playable Horta captains in a blog back in early 2016, and I'm still waiting. No Kill I !
    Yeah, I don't think April 1st blogs count as promises. :lol:

    And if they do, I want my Pathyeager, doggone it!
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  • novapolaris#2925 novapolaris Member Posts: 805 Arc User
    edited July 2023
    Hey, we DID get the community-joke-prophecized T6 Nova after a T6 Oberth. It feels like it's anyone's guess now, heh.
  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    edited July 2023
    spiritborn wrote: »
    I seems to recall one reasons it was dropped that Cryptic couldn't figure out a way to deal with variety of ships (many which have no NPC counterparts) players have in a way that would satisfy players and not bee too much effort for the gains.
    I remember that talk came up at some point from staff, too, but I don't know if it was ever promised, even if I thought it was.
    I'd still love to see a system like that made someday as an optional thing, though. Even if you need to handle the builds for your own ships entirely yourself instead of them being made copy-paste NPC builds, even if that's an element.

    See! I wasn't misremembering.

    My memory tends to be reliable, so long as it's not groceries, how to do maths or anything else of real life significance that needs to be remembered!
  • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,800 Arc User
    a number of years ago, it was promised that we would be getting Away Teams in Space,

    How would that work?,

    The entire crew ditching just their posts to fly to ESD and then skeleton crew your former ships into a fleet, We have a word for that, it's called a mutiny, plus cowardice like that is still punishaboe by death.
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,372 Arc User
    edited July 2023
    a number of years ago, it was promised that we would be getting Away Teams in Space,

    How would that work?,

    The entire crew ditching just their posts to fly to ESD and then skeleton crew your former ships into a fleet, We have a word for that, it's called a mutiny, plus cowardice like that is still punishaboe by death.

    IIRC the idea floated about was that you could promote your boffs into captains and assign them to ships, that would follow you, that said it was never something that was promised but rather it was something Cryptic was thinking about and it was later confirmed it didn't work out.

    EDIT:this seems like another case of Cryptic saying "This is an idea that's been floated around in the dev teams but we don't know if it will happen" as an absolute "this will happen and soon" announcement, rather then the "this might happen or it might not" speculation.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    EDIT:this seems like another case of Cryptic saying "This is an idea that's been floated around in the dev teams but we don't know if it will happen" as an absolute "this will happen and soon" announcement, rather then the "this might happen or it might not" speculation.
    And now you know why the devs don't like to tell us about their plans. If something doesn't work out, they don't want to have to deal with "but you promised!!!"
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,372 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    spiritborn wrote: »
    EDIT:this seems like another case of Cryptic saying "This is an idea that's been floated around in the dev teams but we don't know if it will happen" as an absolute "this will happen and soon" announcement, rather then the "this might happen or it might not" speculation.
    And now you know why the devs don't like to tell us about their plans. If something doesn't work out, they don't want to have to deal with "but you promised!!!"

    I mean who would want to deal with that. Sometimes I wonder if at least some of these people know full well that nothing was promised but are hoping if they make enough noise, Cryptic is either forced to implement that or that they'll get premium stuff as "compensation".
  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    edited July 2023
    spiritborn wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    spiritborn wrote: »
    EDIT:this seems like another case of Cryptic saying "This is an idea that's been floated around in the dev teams but we don't know if it will happen" as an absolute "this will happen and soon" announcement, rather then the "this might happen or it might not" speculation.
    And now you know why the devs don't like to tell us about their plans. If something doesn't work out, they don't want to have to deal with "but you promised!!!"

    I mean who would want to deal with that. Sometimes I wonder if at least some of these people know full well that nothing was promised but are hoping if they make enough noise, Cryptic is either forced to implement that or that they'll get premium stuff as "compensation".

    Nah, that seems too cynical.

    Fact is, it was discussed and considered, but that was a long time / couple of years ago. So people may be misremembering what happened. Some think it wasn't discussed at all and only speculation by players, some think it was a feature promised by the Devs.

    The truth is in the middle: it was discussed and considered, but never guaranteed to be released.

    Any deviation from that interpretation is far more likely caused by misremembrance than a deliberate attempt at misrepresenting what happened.
  • novapolaris#2925 novapolaris Member Posts: 805 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    spiritborn wrote: »
    EDIT:this seems like another case of Cryptic saying "This is an idea that's been floated around in the dev teams but we don't know if it will happen" as an absolute "this will happen and soon" announcement, rather then the "this might happen or it might not" speculation.
    And now you know why the devs don't like to tell us about their plans. If something doesn't work out, they don't want to have to deal with "but you promised!!!"

    I mean who would want to deal with that. Sometimes I wonder if at least some of these people know full well that nothing was promised but are hoping if they make enough noise, Cryptic is either forced to implement that or that they'll get premium stuff as "compensation".

    Nah, that seems too cynical.

    Fact is, it was discussed and considered, but that was a long time / couple of years ago. So people may be misremembering what happened. Some think it wasn't discussed at all and only speculation by players, some think it was a feature promised by the Devs.

    The truth is in the middle: it was discussed and considered, but never guaranteed to be released.

    Any deviation from that interpretation is far more likely caused by misremembrance than a deliberate attempt at misrepresenting what happened.

    Mhm.

    What I meant earlier was more "I didn't remember what exactly was the case, but I think the system *could* work if they ever were to reconsider it in the future."
  • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,800 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    a number of years ago, it was promised that we would be getting Away Teams in Space,

    How would that work?,

    The entire crew ditching just their posts to fly to ESD and then skeleton crew your former ships into a fleet, We have a word for that, it's called a mutiny, plus cowardice like that is still punishaboe by death.

    IIRC the idea floated about was that you could promote your boffs into captains and assign them to ships, that would follow you, that said it was never something that was promised but rather it was something Cryptic was thinking about and it was later confirmed it didn't work out.

    EDIT:this seems like another case of Cryptic saying "This is an idea that's been floated around in the dev teams but we don't know if it will happen" as an absolute "this will happen and soon" announcement, rather then the "this might happen or it might not" speculation.

    That explanation isn't helping OP's case, it seems too OP for a single player to have, you could abuse the TRIBBLE out of it and have a fleet of 7 ships following you around.
  • jameswilliejameswillie Member Posts: 151 Arc User
    Would be nice to be able to place a captains rank on a BOFF, like if it was a costume unlock that came with the Elite BOFF token. Just a costume unlock, no additional powers besides whats offered currently with that token. Ranks do have costume unlocks when u promote BOFFS, so why not do the same thing when u make one elite.
  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    a number of years ago, it was promised that we would be getting Away Teams in Space,

    How would that work?,

    The entire crew ditching just their posts to fly to ESD and then skeleton crew your former ships into a fleet, We have a word for that, it's called a mutiny, plus cowardice like that is still punishaboe by death.

    IIRC the idea floated about was that you could promote your boffs into captains and assign them to ships, that would follow you, that said it was never something that was promised but rather it was something Cryptic was thinking about and it was later confirmed it didn't work out.

    EDIT:this seems like another case of Cryptic saying "This is an idea that's been floated around in the dev teams but we don't know if it will happen" as an absolute "this will happen and soon" announcement, rather then the "this might happen or it might not" speculation.

    That explanation isn't helping OP's case, it seems too OP for a single player to have, you could abuse the TRIBBLE out of it and have a fleet of 7 ships following you around.

    It depends, really. If they gave those ships regular, white quality gear and ensure that they didn't benefit from team or player bonuses, it wouldn't have to be too OP.

    I mean, I doubt they were ever considering allowing us to fly multiple ships with each being equipped with 5 spire or research lab consoles and 6-8 MK XV epic beams or PEP's and neutronic torpedoes... And all of that with Beam Overload 3 while benefitting from things like Preferential Targeting and the player's Attack pattern Alpha.
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,372 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    a number of years ago, it was promised that we would be getting Away Teams in Space,

    How would that work?,

    The entire crew ditching just their posts to fly to ESD and then skeleton crew your former ships into a fleet, We have a word for that, it's called a mutiny, plus cowardice like that is still punishaboe by death.

    IIRC the idea floated about was that you could promote your boffs into captains and assign them to ships, that would follow you, that said it was never something that was promised but rather it was something Cryptic was thinking about and it was later confirmed it didn't work out.

    EDIT:this seems like another case of Cryptic saying "This is an idea that's been floated around in the dev teams but we don't know if it will happen" as an absolute "this will happen and soon" announcement, rather then the "this might happen or it might not" speculation.

    That explanation isn't helping OP's case, it seems too OP for a single player to have, you could abuse the TRIBBLE out of it and have a fleet of 7 ships following you around.

    It depends, really. If they gave those ships regular, white quality gear and ensure that they didn't benefit from team or player bonuses, it wouldn't have to be too OP.

    I mean, I doubt they were ever considering allowing us to fly multiple ships with each being equipped with 5 spire or research lab consoles and 6-8 MK XV epic beams or PEP's and neutronic torpedoes... And all of that with Beam Overload 3 while benefitting from things like Preferential Targeting and the player's Attack pattern Alpha.

    I'm pretty much 100% that those boff would have been flying generic NPC versions of the ships.
  • captainrc1captainrc1 Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    Would be nice to be able to place a captains rank on a BOFF, like if it was a costume unlock that came with the Elite BOFF token. Just a costume unlock, no additional powers besides whats offered currently with that token. Ranks do have costume unlocks when u promote BOFFS, so why not do the same thing when u make one elite.

    I agree. As we've probably all seen in Star Trek V and VI, you can have more than one officer with the rank of Captain aboard. (The Enterprise-A had THREE.) So, why not have bridge officers that can wear that rank?
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