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mciann
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Can we have our epic phoenix upgrades back? This placed a substantial burden on new characters and players. I think that in the interest in the ongoing health of the game, it would be good to reconsider the decision to make upgrades 25% more expensive than they had been.
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If this has helped the dil-exchange, we need to keep it that way for the ongoing health of the game.
Reverting the changes would immediately affecte the dil-exchange. This isn't something you fix once and then it stays fixed. It depends on the effective dil-sinks, and this is one of them.
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1268428/dilithium-exchange-duration-testing
The Dil Exchange is going down, and has been shortly before the sale that brought back Vanity shields for Dilithium, likely do the banning of bots. Details on the botting issue, beyond that it's against the EULA for the game, can't be talked about in detail or linked.
Is your point that dil sinks are inherently and completely good, with no balancing test or knock-on unintended consequences? If that's the case, then why not have a "Great Burn" event where everyone's dil inventory (refined or not) instantly drops to zero? By your analysis above, wouldn't that be all the better?
The truth is fewer people are buying Dill. Its simple... backlog was up to 12 million wait was 30-35 days. Backlog was at 8.5 million wait was 30-35 days.
There are demonstratively fewer people buying dill with zen.
I believe Cryptic has made a few small changes that have helped. One of them was neutering the phoenix upgrades a little bit. Reverse that and you reverse the positive effect it had completely. Unfortunately they also seem to be bleeding paying customers... so the net effect seems to be zero so far.
I would love to be wrong... backlog is down to 7.9 as I write this. My most recent dill offer was posted on the 8th. If I remember I'll respond to this post when that sale goes through. I am betting the weekend of February 10th. If it goes sooner I may be wrong.
Wow! This is funny that you should mention this, because I said the same thing to Kael last week. 😆
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Agreed,
The biggest flame war on this forum would then erupt with all the ticked off players and dilithium buyers..
That would not be a good day for cryptic..
I disagree. We need the ongoing dil sink, and new players can earn piles of dil through events, admiralty, TFOs, and doffing. It might take them a little longer to Mark XV everything than before the cost increase, but that's a "would be nice" level for gear not something you need.
I will agree that the odds for earning an Epic token are terrible and could be improved. But the phoenix cost is fine as-is for other uses of the tokens.
Oh, of course! This was all said tongue-in-cheek. Nothing of the sort would ever be done.
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If the backlog has reduced, that means either folk have been buying more Dil OR folk have stopped putting Dil on OR BOTH! Your claim fewer people are buying is not really backed up by any evidence, because the evidence points to any of the scenarios in my previous sentence being the case.
It will still take 30 days or so to clear an order till it's cycled through all the orders placed before it started to significantly drop.
The time to sell is directly tied to how much money (zen) is being traded. It doesn't matter if people are posting tons of it or none of it.
To use some easy numbers... assume the back log is at 20 million. Then down the road it drops to 10 million. Sales happen first come first serve so if the wait never changes from 30 days. That means half the number of MONEY is being traded.
The only way a reduction in backlog correlates to shorter wait times on selling dill... is if less money is entering that mechanic. Sure its possible the people that have been buying dill are buying other things with their zen. That is the only scenario where Cryptic is still making the same amount of money. If people that used to buy Zen to trade for Dill instead are still buying zen and spending it themselves. I doubt that frankly. All evidence seems to point to STO making Cryptic less money lately.
IME that is exactly what is happening. My friends list is pretty diverse after 12 years... and for sure fewer people I have met are still playing. Those I have heard from its always pretty much the same story. Fine with spending some money, but they like to supplement selling dill. Yes I know you can still sell Dill it just takes 30 days... but for people that are used to on a whim saying I'm going to buy this ship pack. I'll sell X amount of Dill and spend 20-30 bucks this weekend. Well they are SOL... place your order come back in 30 or 40 days.
The exchange is not helping with player retention... and its starting to hit Cryptic in the pocket book.
Jan 13: 7.98 Mil
Jan 16: 8.15 Mil
Not sure if it's just the Red Alert Event adding in from users that don't usually hit their cap, or if the 'banned users' are back at it again.
It has nothing to do with banned users. The previous drop had to do with people leaving the game frankly.
The real measure of "broken" if we are considering it as such. Is time to complete a conversion. That has not changed in months. Time to complete a transaction of Dill->another players Zen... is 30-35 days. That has been the same for 6 or 7 months now at least. When the exchange was at 12 million it was the same wait.
That means fewer people buying Zen are trading it for Dill. Backlog is dropping the wait is not... $ is leaving the system.
agreed
No, you can't make that assumption.
All we can conclude is that the Zen is not being spent for Dil
A more likely explanation is that it is spent in the C-Store (lots of Sales lately) and that people are saving for the upcoming 13th anniversary pack.
Still that would be fun as an April Fools joke though...
I meant that it was leaving the Zen->Dill system which it is. Are people spending it elsewhere ? Who knows maybe. Still facts are facts. Backlog is down 30% and the wait time is increasing. That means 100% real money is leaving the conversion mechanic.
As for STO's population going down overall, it isn't. Last few years it has been the more or less the 23rd most populated MMO (according to the MMO Populations site) and it is still at 23rd and following the same up and down trends as the rest of the industry for the most part (there are some unique spikes and dips on top of that due to various events of course). If anything, it is slowly gaining ground.