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mithrosnomore
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Spoilers ahead, so fair warning given...
I have not been a fan of the emphasis on the voice actors.
I haven't watched all of those shows, and having to act shocked and surprised when someone shows up that my Captain doesn't know (and shouldn't have even heard of... All the Disco stuff was super-duper-mega-top-secret classified, right? So why does my Captain act surprised when Yarnek makes a Burnham to help me (and by "help" I mean issue orders and become the most important character in that mission?) shows up or when my Captain becomes a glorified chauffer and subservient to the NPCs in an away team is not fun.
Some people may like it, but you know what I liked? Spock saying "thanks for saving us: after our Captains were able to figure out and play the mission without him looking over our shoulder and telling us exactly what to do every step of the way.
Anyway, so I made a new main Captain when they brought back the TOS event (I had one, but it's a long story. Suffice it to say that the new Captain is what I should have done the first time but didn't for whatever reason) and have been working back through every mission in every story, with some breaks when I couldn't deal with how much it seemed I was supposed to pay less attention to the story and more attention to some actor saying stuff.
So this morning I got to Firewall.
Okay, so never mind that I have another actor demeaning me all the way, but I get to the end and *I* show up on screen.
But I play an Andorian and the Mirror Me had no antenna. No antenna.
Come on guys.
I never watched a single episode with Mirror Leeta. Not one. Don't even know for sure if it was even a thing or just for the game. Don't care about Chase Masterson. I mean, good for her that she got some work or whatever, but she does zero in terms of enhancing the story for me.
She was in the brig and Desoto let her out why?
And she is coming with me because she said so? She was Desoto's prisoner. If she was going anywhere it should have been with him and back into the Brig on the ship he got on. Even if I was taking her to my ship I am sending her to the brig. I am not taking an old enemy from the Mirror Universe back into the Mirror Universe to "help me" based upon nothing but her word, and even if she could offer something more substantive I am still not taking her into the field with me. Maybe I arrange to put her into a guarded room and let her have a camera feed to see what I am seeing and a communicator to guide me, but that is it.
You basically wrote a story that has General Patton taking an imprisoned General Rommel out of an allied prison camp that had just come under attack and then accompany him into Berlin on the basis of him saying that Adolf was up to something big.
That makes no sense.
These tag-alongs need better reasons to be there than "because they said so".
I just spent an episode doing the bidding of a Klingon I had no reason to trust (in an episode I had no reason to even be involved in) and now I can't help but think that Leeta is the new J'ula.
Maybe I'll be surprised, but I hope you forgive me if I don't hold my breath or maybe disappear for a while because I decided I needed a break from what is more and more feeling like paying old actors to come into the game and do all of the thinking and decision-making that my Captain and away team should be doing.
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I go to the station, I find it under attack. I go on to the station and find only a handful of crew left, so I get updates, help them get things running again (or clear out the hostiles to let the crew do it themselves) and evac them on to my ship/tell my ship to send over a security detail to whatever location and tell the leftover crew to rendezvous with said detail when they finish up.
When I get to the brig I find Leeta. She says something snarky. Whatever. Beam out to my ship. Cut back to space and another fight if you want.
Now cut to my conference room where Leeta tells me, my away team, and whatever other Starfleet personnel that may have arrived that the Emperor is up to no good. I ask questions, she gives answers, and if she hems and haws her chance of being able to stay in quarters more comfortable than the brig disappear.
She tells me what I need to know, and I talk to the Starfleet people and we set up the plan (and hopefully I hand Leeta off to Starfleet so she is out of my silky white hair). We travel to the Mirror Universe using the portal ship and go through the mission without Leeta.
Chase Masterson still gets to cash a check, you still get to brag that she voices evil Leeta, and my Captain gets to control his own story as well as come off as a reasonably competent character.
I have not been a fan of the emphasis on the voice actors.
I haven't watched all of those shows, and having to act shocked and surprised when someone shows up that my Captain doesn't know (and shouldn't have even heard of... All the Disco stuff was super-duper-mega-top-secret classified, right? So why does my Captain act surprised when Yarnek makes a Burnham to help me (and by "help" I mean issue orders and become the most important character in that mission?) shows up or when my Captain becomes a glorified chauffer and subservient to the NPCs in an away team is not fun.
Some people may like it, but you know what I liked? Spock saying "thanks for saving us: after our Captains were able to figure out and play the mission without him looking over our shoulder and telling us exactly what to do every step of the way.
Anyway, so I made a new main Captain when they brought back the TOS event (I had one, but it's a long story. Suffice it to say that the new Captain is what I should have done the first time but didn't for whatever reason) and have been working back through every mission in every story, with some breaks when I couldn't deal with how much it seemed I was supposed to pay less attention to the story and more attention to some actor saying stuff.
So this morning I got to Firewall.
Okay, so never mind that I have another actor demeaning me all the way, but I get to the end and *I* show up on screen.
But I play an Andorian and the Mirror Me had no antenna. No antenna.
Come on guys.
I never watched a single episode with Mirror Leeta. Not one. Don't even know for sure if it was even a thing or just for the game. Don't care about Chase Masterson. I mean, good for her that she got some work or whatever, but she does zero in terms of enhancing the story for me.
She was in the brig and Desoto let her out why?
And she is coming with me because she said so? She was Desoto's prisoner. If she was going anywhere it should have been with him and back into the Brig on the ship he got on. Even if I was taking her to my ship I am sending her to the brig. I am not taking an old enemy from the Mirror Universe back into the Mirror Universe to "help me" based upon nothing but her word, and even if she could offer something more substantive I am still not taking her into the field with me. Maybe I arrange to put her into a guarded room and let her have a camera feed to see what I am seeing and a communicator to guide me, but that is it.
You basically wrote a story that has General Patton taking an imprisoned General Rommel out of an allied prison camp that had just come under attack and then accompany him into Berlin on the basis of him saying that Adolf was up to something big.
That makes no sense.
These tag-alongs need better reasons to be there than "because they said so".
I just spent an episode doing the bidding of a Klingon I had no reason to trust (in an episode I had no reason to even be involved in) and now I can't help but think that Leeta is the new J'ula.
Maybe I'll be surprised, but I hope you forgive me if I don't hold my breath or maybe disappear for a while because I decided I needed a break from what is more and more feeling like paying old actors to come into the game and do all of the thinking and decision-making that my Captain and away team should be doing.
=============
I go to the station, I find it under attack. I go on to the station and find only a handful of crew left, so I get updates, help them get things running again (or clear out the hostiles to let the crew do it themselves) and evac them on to my ship/tell my ship to send over a security detail to whatever location and tell the leftover crew to rendezvous with said detail when they finish up.
When I get to the brig I find Leeta. She says something snarky. Whatever. Beam out to my ship. Cut back to space and another fight if you want.
Now cut to my conference room where Leeta tells me, my away team, and whatever other Starfleet personnel that may have arrived that the Emperor is up to no good. I ask questions, she gives answers, and if she hems and haws her chance of being able to stay in quarters more comfortable than the brig disappear.
She tells me what I need to know, and I talk to the Starfleet people and we set up the plan (and hopefully I hand Leeta off to Starfleet so she is out of my silky white hair). We travel to the Mirror Universe using the portal ship and go through the mission without Leeta.
Chase Masterson still gets to cash a check, you still get to brag that she voices evil Leeta, and my Captain gets to control his own story as well as come off as a reasonably competent character.
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The babbling is made even worse on console when in space and the popup boxes obscure the abilities, wheel or useful info on the right side of the screen.
A lot of spit and no polish.
The worst parts of the endless nattering are anything involving Sila.
Yeah sure, the VAs mean Cryptic can skimp on quality a fair bit as the ultra nerds will be too busy focusing on OMG Janeway etc but it really hampers any gameplay there is.
I propose a pop up blocker for all repeat missions and TFOs.
I know the Mirror universe is supposed to be full of mustache twirling caricatures but that sort of dialogue gets old if it's not written carefully, which this isn't.
I was under the impression that Crypic's metrics show that the vast majority of the playerbase has no interest in playing murderous bad guys. This is the reason they have given in the past for no MU faction.
I tried playing it once before they fixed the crashing issue, but haven't been able to bring myself to try again.
Frankly, I preferred the old style of mission, before everything got "cinematic". Y'know, like the Klingon War missions they yanked, promised to "revamp", and have done nothing with since. In the old missions, the Captain mattered. But now it's all about Tilly, or Kim, or Janeway, or whoever they got this week. Sure, okay, it's impressive that STO has reached the point of bringing in that star talent--but this is supposed to be a game. A game about the player characters.
I'll admit the twists in the latest mission were darn good ones, but let's be real: was the mission itself any fun? Does anyone remember the gameplay during the mission? 'Cause all that stands out for me is the cutscenes. C'mon. This ain't Xenosaga. This is an MMO. I like story-driven as much as the next guy, maybe more, but this is getting out of hand--and the story isn't even about us anymore. It's about the canon actors getting to show off again.
I like having canon VAs playing their canon roles and more, but they should only be side characters or advisors to the PC, who out ranks them all btw.
And please stop forcing us to play other characters with terrible builds/broken ships.
regarding the voice of the mirror double, you must not have been listening to what they said as the mirror double has an "digital voice box" because someone shot them in the throat
> regarding the voice of the mirror double, you must not have been listening to what they said as the mirror double has an "digital voice box" because someone shot them in the throat
But was it necessary to voice that role? I would have preferred having to read text than listen to "my character" speak with a voice that doesn't fit.
Better yet, cut Mirror Me from the story all together, it didnt add anything in my opinion.
I disagree, I'm suprised it took them so long to have your mirror duplicate show up. thematicly if you're going to do a mirror universe story, it feels like a waste not to have your mirror double show up and eventually be a "major adversary"
Agreed, I look forward to meeting "evil me".
I remember YEARS ago thinking it was dissappointing they never did that. sadly "evil us" won't likely fly a mirror version of our ship, but cest la vive.
> I remember YEARS ago thinking it was dissappointing they never did that. sadly "evil us" won't likely fly a mirror version of our ship, but cest la vive.
Mirror us flys the I.S.S. Defiant, which makes so much sense for non human characters...
Besides from what I've gathered from the dev comments the "mirror us" is really only taking some visual customization options and Cryptic doesn't have (or doesn't have it for STO) the tech to mimic our character (which is why there's preset powers instead of using our Player Character skills).
Thus they can't show the ship we have but evil as they wouldn't be able to duplicate the gear anyway and with amount of ships in-game making preset powers that made sense for all of those just isn't worth it.
As for flying the Defiant not making sense (I assume you're being sarcastic there), "mirror us" is a high ranking member of the Terran Empire (regardless who your character is in Prime universe) working closely with the Emperor (possibly directly under him) so them using a Terran Starfleet ship isn't that odd. Essentially if the Emperor says you command the Defiant you command that ship and that's the end of it.
(ya know it occurs to me, O'Brien would be a logical choice for the emperor )
Voiceovers have become rampant in this game. They are the centerpiece of the current Mirror Universe stuff. I'm dismayed that as a Fleet Admiral, I have to mine my own Dilithium, personally assign crew and ships to duties, etc. Now, I'm the hired gun for an actor looking to make a few more dollars off a character they portrayed many many years ago.
I'd much rather Cryptic put the resources and time into crafting better missions and TFOs. Pretty sure I'm not the only player in a silent majority who thinks this. I don't mind a little fan service. With the emphasis on, "a little" If fan service voiceover is the norm rather than an occasional treat, I think it quickly wears out its welcome and becomes something to actively avoid.
By that point in the mission I'd hit the phase of cryptic writing where you button mash to get past it as fast as possible to reduce the cringe.
Digital voice box still doesn't explain why a klingon would have willingly set their implant to "random human sounding bored of life"