I found highly questionable procedures in TOS, so that STO does the same in a number of instances at least stays consistent.
Perhaps it's a deliberate point in Star Trek story telling, to falsely try to sell the wrong angle in order to help those who tend to blindly go along with anything to begin to think critically and for themselves for once.
Since when has Q done anything that was ethical and fair, unless it was when he was totally and utterly defeated and helpless? Q demands it....or do you want to be turned into a deneebian slugworm??
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
What doesn't help this theory is that it isn't the same Q.
The Q we have in STO is 'Junior'. Q's son.
Who said he didn't pick up on some of his father's quirks? I mean look who is father is! And apparently in s2 of Picard he's gonna be back to his old tricks again so...
Like father, like son? *shrug*
The Gingerbread people are also so friendly, and just trying to establish their own space free of the snowman. They (snowmen) are all throughout wonderland though, and somehow even the Borg found a way to assimilate their naughty ways. Just remember when Q gives you coal, it turns you into a naughty snowman.
Clearly (Q) he doesn't think they are very nice either... ...reminds me of what he did to the Calamarain, subtle reference he limited their ability to explore the galaxy. Seems the Gingerbread people just want a place to themselves, free of the Snowman attacking their home.
Still I always wondered if the Q we see is Junior, though I'd also love to get Q in an Episode or two. Both had a similar soft yet annoying way (not subtle) of making the issue clear. Yet that also often stems from the realization there isn't always time to be patient. Still as Picard said Q was never a liar, and he did have a sense of humor as well. I think that's why people enjoy many of the Character's on Q, despite it raises questions about what they do with their Omnipotence.
Wikipedia claims, " It is accepted in philosophy and science that omnipotence can never be effectively understood."
Still I always wondered if the Q we see is Junior, though I'd also love to get Q in an Episode or two.
It is Q Junior. Used to have an episode where Q sent us back in time to Wolf 359 to ensure Sisko survived because the Iconians sent some 25th Century Borg back in time. And he actually mentioned "Aunt Kathy". Only character that would describe is Janeway.
I'd love someone to portray Junior as a Voice Actor, even if it's not Delancie's son. Would also love John to appear in another episode, perhaps checking in our Junior so to speak, and offering a few suggestions as well.
I really think that be fun, especially with John coming back to Picard Season 2.
I've really missed the occasional appearance of Q in Star Trek, be in the original Q or even perhaps a different or new one. I hope Discovery also changes that, with perhaps another Comedian in the role.
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I've really missed the occasional appearance of Q in Star Trek, be in the original Q or even perhaps a different or new one. I hope Discovery also changes that, with perhaps another Comedian in the role.
I could care less about the snow people or the gingerbread people either. I say we land a nuke right into the center of the winter wonderland and sit back.
Fleet Admiral of the U.S.S. ATTILA KHAN-CDA (NX-921911).
Because this is an American game, and America was founded on the conquest of indigenous peoples... so of course we side with the Gingerbread People!
No, the longer you appear on the side of the gingerbread people the less they will suspect when we intern them and dip them in icing and eat them. We need to develop a slow unseen method to make their society appear untouched via possible criminal prosecution or unseen disappearances in hospitals. Then we breed them for an infinite supply of bread people. Then we frame british with cups of tea. Then give kickbacks to the french.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,582Community Moderator
Guys... seriously... there is no deep meaning behind it. Why the need to try and justify it or anything else?
Firstly, let me thank you for calling them Gingerbread people. The use of 'Gingerbread MEN' has for too long suppressed gingerbread people (have you noticed how FLAT they are? this is due to hundreds of years of suppression!).
Secondly, the reason that we help them against the dastardly snowPEOPLE is because they refuse to acknowledge that GingerbreadPEOPLE have just the same rights as the Snowpeople.
The Snowpeople attempted to pidgeonhole the Gingerbread people by seperating them into pronouns such as 'she' and 'he', 'men' and 'women'.
The Gingerbread people are now waging war on the snowpeople to stop such suppression and to stamp out such discrimitory behaviour.
The Gingerbread people are strong beleivers in freedom of speach and being able to do whatever a person wishes to do. So long as it does not disagree with any thier own opinons.
Long Live the Gingerbread people!!! DOWN WITH THE SNOW ME-.. er PEOPLE!
Why do we help the Gingerbread Village? Because Q said so, that's why. It doesn't have any deeper or hidden or secret or political or monetary reason for players of STO to figure out.
Some things really are what they appear to be. The people who are finding meanings other than, "Q said so, that's why" are full of TRIBBLE. Their only interest is appearing to the crowd to be a better person than you are because they publicly display how more they care about the SnowMEN than you do.
If they really cared about the SnowMEN, they'd turn their weapons on the rest of us during any attack made by the SnowMEN. Have you ever seen a player do this during a Snowball fight? No, you haven't.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Firstly, let me thank you for calling them Gingerbread people. The use of 'Gingerbread MEN' has for too long suppressed gingerbread people (have you noticed how FLAT they are? this is due to hundreds of years of suppression!).
Secondly, the reason that we help them against the dastardly snowPEOPLE is because they refuse to acknowledge that GingerbreadPEOPLE have just the same rights as the Snowpeople.
The Snowpeople attempted to pidgeonhole the Gingerbread people by seperating them into pronouns such as 'she' and 'he', 'men' and 'women'.
The Gingerbread people are now waging war on the snowpeople to stop such suppression and to stamp out such discrimitory behaviour.
The Gingerbread people are strong beleivers in freedom of speach and being able to do whatever a person wishes to do. So long as it does not disagree with any thier own opinons.
Long Live the Gingerbread people!!! DOWN WITH THE SNOW ME-.. er PEOPLE!
P.S: This post was intended as satire.
Actually, you would only want to eat the men. This is the reason amish only let men do barn raising. If you kill the women in an accident you have less ability to reproduce and regain numbers, endangering your entire community. This is just a concept we don't deal with much in the modern world. Very important in the not so modern world. So, you would probably only eat the gingerbread men. Unless you are just eating them to extinction. And assuming they rebuild numbers via human reproduction and not via baking in a gingerman or gingerwoman mold respectively.
You all are clearly overthinking the problem. We view this situation through the highest ethical and philosophical lens. If we brutally murder all the snowmen Q will give us a nifty Freeze Ray and some ugly sweaters. So of course we have a solemn moral obligation to kill all the snowmen for the benefit of the gingerbread colonizers.
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Because Q said so.
Also the snowmen have NEVER been friendly to us either.
Why? We ruthlessly kill snowman and kill their leader every 90 minutes. I think the line has been drawn.
I'm pretty sure neither of those examples correlate to gingerbread people and snowmen.
Perhaps it's a deliberate point in Star Trek story telling, to falsely try to sell the wrong angle in order to help those who tend to blindly go along with anything to begin to think critically and for themselves for once.
It is if you dip them in coffee.
For the same reason we help the Kobali.
The writers say so.
Losing faith in humanity, one person at a time.
Who said he didn't pick up on some of his father's quirks? I mean look who is father is! And apparently in s2 of Picard he's gonna be back to his old tricks again so...
Like father, like son? *shrug*
Clearly (Q) he doesn't think they are very nice either... ...reminds me of what he did to the Calamarain, subtle reference he limited their ability to explore the galaxy. Seems the Gingerbread people just want a place to themselves, free of the Snowman attacking their home.
Still I always wondered if the Q we see is Junior, though I'd also love to get Q in an Episode or two. Both had a similar soft yet annoying way (not subtle) of making the issue clear. Yet that also often stems from the realization there isn't always time to be patient. Still as Picard said Q was never a liar, and he did have a sense of humor as well. I think that's why people enjoy many of the Character's on Q, despite it raises questions about what they do with their Omnipotence.
Wikipedia claims, " It is accepted in philosophy and science that omnipotence can never be effectively understood."
It is Q Junior. Used to have an episode where Q sent us back in time to Wolf 359 to ensure Sisko survived because the Iconians sent some 25th Century Borg back in time. And he actually mentioned "Aunt Kathy". Only character that would describe is Janeway.
While the episode was removed, it still established the Q we run into as Q Junior.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Q
I really think that be fun, especially with John coming back to Picard Season 2.
I've really missed the occasional appearance of Q in Star Trek, be in the original Q or even perhaps a different or new one. I hope Discovery also changes that, with perhaps another Comedian in the role.
Well... we know Q is coming back in Picard s2.
Not if the coffee was made with crisp clear fresh mountain snow men water! That's just quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvIJvPj_pjE
TRIBBLE the prime directive. They don't even technically exist!! ><
And they're delicious!
No, the longer you appear on the side of the gingerbread people the less they will suspect when we intern them and dip them in icing and eat them. We need to develop a slow unseen method to make their society appear untouched via possible criminal prosecution or unseen disappearances in hospitals. Then we breed them for an infinite supply of bread people. Then we frame british with cups of tea. Then give kickbacks to the french.
The literal answer to the question is...
Secondly, the reason that we help them against the dastardly snowPEOPLE is because they refuse to acknowledge that GingerbreadPEOPLE have just the same rights as the Snowpeople.
The Snowpeople attempted to pidgeonhole the Gingerbread people by seperating them into pronouns such as 'she' and 'he', 'men' and 'women'.
The Gingerbread people are now waging war on the snowpeople to stop such suppression and to stamp out such discrimitory behaviour.
The Gingerbread people are strong beleivers in freedom of speach and being able to do whatever a person wishes to do. So long as it does not disagree with any thier own opinons.
Long Live the Gingerbread people!!! DOWN WITH THE SNOW ME-.. er PEOPLE!
P.S: This post was intended as satire.
Some things really are what they appear to be. The people who are finding meanings other than, "Q said so, that's why" are full of TRIBBLE. Their only interest is appearing to the crowd to be a better person than you are because they publicly display how more they care about the SnowMEN than you do.
If they really cared about the SnowMEN, they'd turn their weapons on the rest of us during any attack made by the SnowMEN. Have you ever seen a player do this during a Snowball fight? No, you haven't.
Actually, you would only want to eat the men. This is the reason amish only let men do barn raising. If you kill the women in an accident you have less ability to reproduce and regain numbers, endangering your entire community. This is just a concept we don't deal with much in the modern world. Very important in the not so modern world. So, you would probably only eat the gingerbread men. Unless you are just eating them to extinction. And assuming they rebuild numbers via human reproduction and not via baking in a gingerman or gingerwoman mold respectively.