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Remove the ability for allies to see you cloaked!
aftulus
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The one big glaring problem in PVP is that people join both sides to see one side to kill them. If this were removed and people had to live with whatever loss from healing their allies can give them.(unless some special console was made.) then it might help fix PVP matches and get rid of some of the blatant cheating and gaming going on. I'm surprised they added this to start. without it the game balances itself out. Players cloaking loose support and are alone. If they uncloak they get allies heals and support if they are coordinated.
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I'm not sure where one would submit this, but as with another PVP game I play, developers usually want a description of the events, player name and cheaters/exploiters, time and server/map, and a link of video evidence of this clearly taking place, so that hopefully they can understand the issue, evaluate how serious it is, and hopefully correct it in some way.
On the PVE side of the game, I would take no issue if my cloaked ships vanish completely from allies, leaving only basic indications of not having disconnected (no distance to target, no targeting ability). It probably will not be easy to implement considering every new item or power and unexpected interaction will cause bugs and not function as intended leaving room for more exploits.
I still support this, even if I don't PVP here (for reasons irrelevant to this topic). It is very nice to have that ability and all benefits that come with it, such as testing equipment, making screenshots, and so on.
It's definitely not unfixable, the devs just don't want to fix it because it would affect their pocket book
And honestly I don't see how this impacts PvP as, to my knowledge, there is no fast way to switch teams. How can you exploit that? The second you switch teams, even if that was possible, you would no longer be able to see them, and they're moving. On top of that, you'd need to be able to target a cloaked ship, which means you'd need an appropriate amount of stealth detection on top of remembering where they are if they aren't moving. And if you're not cloaked, pretty good change they'd see you coming and move, rendering that team switch intel useless.
So... I don't see a reason to change anything for PvP, and a ton of problems for PvE.
I was assuming this could be done in other PVP.
Maybe it just needs to be applied to open PVP maps.
Maybe that could develop into more open pvp later if it is balancable.
exactly. there is no way to visually coordinate. even if chat was used properly, it's not enough. to not SEE that there are 3 cloaked BOPs sitting on one of 4 points to be guarded (rura Penthe TFO) would be just downright stupid.
None of what you have named will actually solve anything and punishes people for taking the time to actually upgrade their equipment, acquire gear, and so on. Simply having all maxed out equipment and gear means absolutely if one doesn't know what they're doing or how to use said equipment, be it in pvp or pve. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people go into a TFO thinking they're going to be top of the damage charts because they've got the flavor of the month ship and build, only to do less than 20k DPS and then complain about it. Or someone thinking that just because they have all maxed out equipment means they're going to win in a pvp. Doesn't work that way. I don't find vape builds particularly fun either. In fact I think they're one of the laziest builds one can do that take absolutely no skill to operate. However that's a completely different debate entirely. You can't just make large sweeping changes like you've mentioned without effecting pve, and changes made for pvp reasons should NEVER be allowed to effect pvp and vice versa. You can easily limit or alter interactions by adding modifiers to the code that change certain interactions based on whether the target hit is a player or NPC. Code would look a little something like this: "If target = player, do (X); if target = NPC do (y)". Obviously that's not an exact thing but you get the idea. That's how WoW solved alot of their pvp issues with some more contentious abilities.
With all of that said you're also trying to compare two different systems that are radically different and largely incompatible. While we can borrow inspiration in certain areas, the problem you're going to have in alot of this is that WoW has predefined classes with predefined toolkits, with the variations only being quality of equipment and some minor differences in overall stats. With STO there are no predefined classes or roles like there is in WoW. There is no "this is a tank ship and can only be a tank ship" situations or "this is a healer and can only be a healer" situations. The pool of abilities one can pick from in STO is massive compared to WoW and there are so many more interactions that can take place that it's not even funny. It's unreasonable to expect them to be able to account for every possible interaction imaginable. Unless there is some ridiculous interaction going on that automatically guarantees victory on its own, demanding equipment caps and certain consoles/traits not be allowed is a crutch. If one wants to have certain stipulations then take it to a private match with terms agreed to in advance.
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