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sennahcherib
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could you remove the tier level restriction of the shipyard to buy a fleet ship. All the new ships don't have this restriction.
ps: there is some tricks to be able to buy a ship, but it is more and more difficult to be invited temporary in a fleet
ps: there is some tricks to be able to buy a ship, but it is more and more difficult to be invited temporary in a fleet
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NO!!!! It would remove incentive to building the thing in the first place!
If your current fleet doesn't have the appropriate level of shipyard I would advise asking your armada leaders if one of them has the appropriate level shipyard and wouldn't mind you getting a ship. Generally most of them won't care if it's someone in the armada. If you have to go outside your armada, then you will need to work out an arrangement with that particular fleet as provisions aren't free.
The shipyard restriction is meant to be an incentive for fleets to actually level their shipyards to unlock everything. If there was no restriction there would be no incentive to go beyond tier 1. This restriction has been in place since the start of fleets and isn't going anywhere. I'm sorry you're having a hard time getting the ship you want, but they're not going to remove the restriction just because one person has been inconvenienced. Selfish is expecting a mandatory change be made to the game just because you can't get what you want right away. If you ask politely in game there are folks who may be willing to help you.
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oh! no, don't worry, I have all the ships, I need (I even stopped to buy ships). this request wasn't for me. But for all the players never invited in a fleet (temporary invite) for buying a ship, that I can see in a lot of channels, sadly I can't help them myself nor my fed nor my kdf fleet are tier 5.
btw, this request comes after the giveaway of the temporal T6 ship, I have seen players asking for an invite, and get no results. but, yes i'm totally selfish.
Then what exactly is the problem here and point of this thread?
Unless they simply do not care, 99% of the fleets in this game aren't going to give away their provisions for free. It takes time and resources to generate the provisions necessary for fleet ships. Unless someone is willing to help generate provisions or help cover the costs of what they intend to use, they have no right to those provisions in my book. You want it you have to earn it. How other fleets conduct their affairs is their business.
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> seriously, selfish thought. + there are other incentives. Like I said in my first post, all the new ships don't have this restriction, so it is illogical to keep it for the old ships, and more free fleet ship modules used (from rep) = more fleet ship modules bought in the c-store.
Is this a rare moment of introspection, or are you insinuating the contributing members of fleets are being selfish?
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What is considered "underpowered" is largely subjective. This would simply remove a dilithium sink in the game and further spiral dilithium inflation out of control.
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> What is considered "underpowered" is largely subjective. This would simply remove a dilithium sink in the game and further spiral dilithium inflation out of control.
I personally think the fear of losing dilithium sinks is generally overexaggerated. After 12 years, the big fleets have maxed out and the small or one-person ones probably never will. I would guess the amount of new fleets that are founded and leveled up to T5 is quite small. So it's basically just an inconvenience at this point.
Yes, power is subjective, but why does someone who wants a fleet Sovereign have to wait to T5 and invest a lot more resources than someone who wants a fleet Miranda, which even comes with Spec seats? It simply isn't adequate any more (disclaimer: Sovereign and Miranda are only examples here, it doesn't matter if those ships are actually available at those tiers)
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Likewise I can also say, why should this be changed for everyone in the game and a sink be removed because one guy doesn't like having to wait? I get it, it sucks having to wait, but people have options if they absolutely want the ship. They may not like those options, but the options still exist. New fleets are created quite regularly. Also one of my beta fleets was a solo project by one of my guys that he got to level 74 before he ever brought it into my armada. So this idea that it can't be done is bogus. We can debate stats all day long but that doesn't address the core issue. Why should it change purely because some folks consider it an inconvenience they can't have their instant gratification? I'm sorry but that's what this strikes me as. When I wanted my Aquarius I waited until my fleet hit t3. Was annoying but it was done. As to why the different ships are on the different tiers they are, ask Cryptic that one. I see this ultimately doing more harm than good purely to satisfy a few impatient folks.
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We disagree completely on this one. I don't think anyone would hold back if someone made demands for no grind rep gear they expected, "now". This would be fueled by the rationale that people have to, "earn" it by playing the game, getting good, or that it wasn't fair to players who had, "worked hard" to get the same kit already. The complaints are of questionable merit because the complainant isn't losing anything. That's just sour grapes.
You "earn" fleet gear by participating in a fleet. It involves working together, and being civil to other humans. It's one of very few life skills someone could take away from gaming, and from the way this "request" was framed, it's needed. Exploiting a game is one thing. You can rationalize your actions as a victimless crime. When you take things from people, or cut to the front of the line you're just trash.
I waited over a year and a half since my fleet did not make it a priority (they seemed to be concentrating the starbase, colony, and dil mine first for some reason) which was not too much of an irritation since so many free or coupon T6s came out and I was using them with my other characters (along with grinding traits on the one waiting for the fleet ship).
And it turns out that the wait was actually a good thing since STO gave out a T5 coupon a little while back so I picked up the c-store ranger instead (and fleet would have been wasted anyway since it was just going to be a skin for the corresponding T6) which is account bound instead of character bound so all my TOS captains could use the Ranger/Paladin instead of just one. I think the fleet reached the point where the ship would have been buyable shortly thereafter, but I stopped looking since I don't need the ship I was waiting for anymore.
Also, one of the armadas I am in (on a different character) just recently maxed out the armada and split into two armadas to make room for new junior fleets, so yes, it is definitely not static on the fleet growth front.
If fleet was good enough a few months ago then non-fleet + T6-X is too.