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You can't have a myth in Star Trek without hitting aliens - brief summaries

antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
edited August 2023 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Thoughts after the most recent arcs I've been mulling on, and I'm going to throw this out, though I realize this may lead to some very contentious debate, but the body of myth of Earth and the other more fictional planets generally really isn't a myth.

I was thinking about this specifically because of recent actions on Boreth which removed the previous 'aura of uncertainty' on the journey into Gre'thor with Khaless in the earlier arc.


Bajorans: Worship Prophets, who turn out to be a very real group of aliens with non-linear views of time that have done specific guiding actions to their worshippers.

Vulcans: Despite periods of war bloodying pre-history, the soul as a persisting existence and set of personality known as katra is well understood, though the nature of psionics seems to slow double-blind studies.

Ocompans: While Caretaker didn't demand actual worship, the signals and data sent were viewed heavily for interpretation by the people he was shepherding.

Klingons: Changes with recent arc have instead of a memory inserted clone set loose like Kahless, and what's possibly some sort of vision (that didn't seem to stop the Fek'ihri since they keep showing up), actual visit to Gre'thor apparently required to restart L'Rell versus just whipping up something L'rell-esque instead of a nice sterile medical lab.

And let's not forget:

Greek tribes: Group of aliens at least claimed to be inspiration and seemed to be empowered by worship, if not actually the God, the alien on Pollux IV really whipped up something fast, so possibly basis for alien intervention for myths.

Central American peoples: Interference and visits by individual alien civilization as shown in Voyager episode Tattoo, and Kulkulkan's people in TAS.

Abrahamic religions: Immortal later known as 'Flint' stood as the King Solomon of Israel . Flint also knew Moses and Jesus, and was the basis for Lazarus, and then later....

Arthurian legend: Flint also claimed to be Merlin.


Really at this point if it shows up in Star Trek, aliens. The only really question is which alien are the 'modern' Fek'Ihri based on.
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,694 Arc User
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc
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    Roddenberry was a humanist, so everything had to have a reasonable scientific answer rather than mysticism.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    "You can't have a myth in Star Trek without hitting aliens"

    And thIIIIIIs... isagood... thing on thewing. --professional alien hitter James T. K.
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  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    I'd honestly when putting the list together almost forgot Flint and thought the Abrahamic ones weren't involved and then fortunately remembered in time to avoid drawing certain conclusions.

    I also didn't include the guy in the galactic center. 50 percent because STV and 50 percent because he needed a starship.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,005 Arc User
    To be fair, Worf's line about Klingons killing their gods could hint at them having been servants to aliens that posed as gods for so long until a successful uprising ended that rule. So there never was anything mystic going on in canon. However, in STO I think being able to literally go to Gre'thor at will and even getting the dead out of there to have them reborn was a bit much, I wonder how this is going to be explained.
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  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    Though why make J'ula go through all the work instead of 'okay let's cook up some fake memories like we did with Kahless' is just weird.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc
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    It was probably a psionic hookup into some rift were Klingon katras hang out in psychic virtual reality sort of like Unimatrix Zero was for sleeping psi-sensitive Borg.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,485 Arc User
    I am more in favor of a precursor of the Dominion Vorta memory transfer system upon death.
    It is already in STO lore that the Dominion visited the Klingon homeworld in the past.
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  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    That'd be intresting... Gre'thor et al are essentially virtual constructs of wormhole-esque aliens; their Kirk-like shenanigans with protoKlingons essentially making every klingon part energy/transdimensional being and thus when the meat suit dies, they get transferred to the virtual construct (or via meditation, ect to account for B'leana in voyager - time and space having no meaning to Q-level entities like the wormhole aliens so 70 light years means nothing)

    Why does Gre'thor, ect appear as they do? Logically (to me) it could be a hive mind perception - ie the combined 'imagination' of all whom are in the construct (ie almost the entire klingon race) essentially create the environment - or put simply, as the klingon themselves believe they should be in Gre'thor; they end up in that constructed reality - in other words a hell of their own making

    As to why non-klingons can go into the construct? Its as they hitch a ride on a Klingon! (note to get to Gre'thor, ect they always need a Klingon of some sort to aid them)

    Then of course we have the Fek'lhri - I'd assume they ended up becoming part wormhole type alien due to interbreeding with the wormhole/protoKlingon as occupying races do (...) - as they entered that construct on meat suit death too; they might have been assimilated into the gestalt perception and thus became as they are now - but unlike the Klingons whom can only clone with great difficulty due to how its tied into religion, perception, ect; the weaker Fek'lhri members (I'd assume Fek'lhr is the oldest Fek'lhri in the construct, hence why they are the boss) have less integration to the construct and so can enter clone Fek'lhri bodies more easily and move in -our- reality (the intresting aspect being what came first - the Dominion Fek'lhri or the construct Fek'lhri...of course if you throw in the fact we've seen wormhole aliens transpose fleets through time it could be the Dominion Fek'lhri were tossed back in time to become the origin Fek'lhri, who then knew of the dominion Fek'lhri bodies and so possessed them...chicken and the egg, lol)

    This is just my thoughts but if we go by the Klingon afterlife is a 'real' space and based on things we've seen/experienced in trek...it'd be rather plausible
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  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    L'Rell and Disco really destroyed for me, what was a strong and unwavering Klingon ethos. Sto-vo-kor, Grethor. Kahless, Fek'lhr. The spirit/soul matters, not the corpse, etc.
  • paradox#7391 paradox
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    The Q could probably been mistaken for Gods due their powers and the fact that they look human, in Tapestry Q (the De Lancie version of Q) said that this was the afterlife and gave Picard a second chance at life, After Picard learned his lesson he was brought back to the prime reality.
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