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raijinmeister
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It would be very good if Cryptic added to the fleet holdings new items such wide-angle versions of DHCs, Dual beam banks, torpedoes, omni beams, experimental weapons, and more fleet versions of existing ships. Especially miracle worker ones.
The holdings are very expensive to build and upgrade. They need a bigger selection of useful items both for early and late game for fleet captains.
The holdings are very expensive to build and upgrade. They need a bigger selection of useful items both for early and late game for fleet captains.
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Edit: except the fleet ship part, since those ships are already 11-console fleet level just like lock box, promo pack and event ships are.
There are no fleet versions for example for the Presidio class cruiser and its variants https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Presidio_Tactical_Command_Battlecruiser, also no fleet version for the Scott-Class miracle worker and its variants https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Operations_Miracle_Worker_Cruiser to give two examples. Not even the T6 Odyssey has fleet variants.
They are not available in fleet shipyards to be bought with fleet modules.
It is irrelevant as they are already Fleet level, and those with 11 or 12 Consoles in the Cstore are considered Flagships, and do not have Fleet equivalent, as we said, because they already have the extra Console etc.
With the other items, I wouldn't mind seeing some fleet versions of wide arc cannons and omni-beams somewhere in a fleet holding, but I'm not going to hold my breath on it at this juncture either.
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I've always wished they'd expand a few Fleet Holdings to add a few new items.
Otherwise, I think it would be neat if we could get a Fleet Experimental Weapon(of each damage type). Maybe a sustained/prolonged energy/kinetic beam the deals increasing damage over time or something.
For ground gear.. maybe some weapons with built-in kit modules skills as their teritary fire. A sniper rifle that can drop mines, a minigun with electro-gravitic field, a sword with motion accelerator, etc.
You can't buy them from the fleet shipyard with fleet currency. If the devs can waste time making a T6 oberth they can put more ships available for fleet players.
You are not the sole authority on what is "wasting time" when it comes to ship development. You not liking a ship doesn't make it wasted development.
Second, ships like the presidio are already at the fleetship level and don't need a dedicated fleet ship. What defines a fleet ship is slightly increased stats, and an 11th console slot, 12 if it's a miracle worker ship. They would be quite literally copy-pasting a ship only to give it the fleet ship name, with it being literally point for point the exact same ship. Nothing is preventing fleet players from accessing the presidio from the cstore save their own unwillingness to cough up the zen.
Cstore ships are available to all people. For that matter every ship is available to all players if they choose to invest the proper amount of time and resources. If they don't, that's not cryptic's fault.
Simply because a fleet ship isn't given the fleet ship name does NOT mean it isn't fleet ship level.
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They don't need to be and this is by design.
Ok dude.
It's hard to understand to put them at the shipyard with no console, no trait, no extra status, add a fleet skin and call it a day?
My goodness.
If we compare, say... the T6 Miranda to the Fleet T6 Miranda, there is a stat difference between them on top of the extra console slot. You can't do that with how you just described the Fleet Presidio vs the normal. It is literally just strip everything off it and give it a fur coat for all intents and purposes. Not even cosmetic because you're actually removing the trait from it as well, while keeping her statistically IDENTICAL to the C-Store variant.
This is why you're getting so much pushback. Because making a "fleet" version of ships that are already fleet level out of the box offers nothing new whatsoever in any category other than cosmetic.
You're clearly not understanding what you're being told, or you already understand and just don't seem to care and I'm not sure which one yet. At the very least you definitely don't understand how they decide what ships will have a fleet version and which ones won't.
First up there are two levels of ship that exist in game when it comes to ships, standard cstore variation and fleet level.
Standard Cstore versions of a ship come with the trait unlock and any special equipment that model of ship is supposed to have, such as any special consoles and/or weapons. Cstore ships have lesser stats than a fleet ship, and only have 10 console slots (11 if miracle worker). These are essentially the basic version of the ship or the "test drive model" that any toon on your account can claim at any time.
Fleet ships come with slightly increased stats vs the basic cstore versions. Fleet ships come with 11 console slots (12 if miracle worker) which is one additional console slot vs the standard cstore version. These ships are the "delux model" of the ship that you can "trade up" to down the road. You get to keep the equipment and trait from the "test drive model" and you get upgraded to the delux version of the ship. However fleet ships are a per toon upgrade, meaning if you want more than one fleet ship you will need to purchase it again on however many toons you want it on. It's assumed that you have bought the cstore version of the ship first before upgrading to the fleet version. It's also unwise to buy these ships if you don't intend to use them actively, as those resources could be spent elsewhere.
To further put this into perspective we will look at the Arbiter and fleet Arbiter. The standard Arbiter has a 5 eng 1 sci, 4 tac console layout, Hull modifier of 1.25, shield modifier of 1 and base hull at 65 of 56,250. It also comes with the Emergency Weapon Cycle Trait at t5 mastery, along with the Ablative Hazard Shielding console. The Fleet Arbiter has a 5 eng, 2 sci, 4 tac console layout, hull modifier of 1.375, shield modifer of 1.1 and base hull at 65 of 61,875. It doesn't come with the trait or the console as it's assumed you already got them by flying the standard Cstore Arbiter first.
The Presidio and similar ships to it don't have a fleet ship variant because their stats already exist at fleet level. The Presidio has a 4 eng, 3 sci, 4 tac console layout, hull modifier of 1.375, shield modifier of 1.12, base hull of 61,875 at 65, comes with the Deploy Defense Platform console, as well as the All Hands on Deck Trait. It has the same amount of consoles as the fleet Arbiter does, same base hull and hull modifier, slightly different shield modifier being a cruiser and a different console layout, but otherwise in terms of stats is exactly the same. Presidio doesn't need a fleet version because it's already at fleet level.
In asking them to create a fleet presidio, you're basically asking them to copy and paste the ship, which would have the exact same everything as the cstore presidio, save this version does NOT come with the console or trait and is a single toon unlock that provides less value overall than the cstore version. To put it bluntly you're basically asking them to create a noob trap ship.
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First of all, you could dial back the condescension. You're not making any friends talking to people like you have been.
Second, why would anyone buy a "no console, no trait, no extra status" ship when, with the same amount of fleet credits and free fleet modules (unless of course one has exhausted every and all of the 13 fleet modules we can get for marks through the reputation system), they could buy a fleet version that is far superior?
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.