Better wait on a 75% off the ripoff market, even if that's a long time, since the grind for the extra amount would be just as long, and it's terrible to support bad pricing.
So, no deal, until 75% off.
If these things never go on 75% off sales, then forget it, I'll stick to single character unlocks.
^This
The only time the packs are worth it is during a 75% discount sale.
And even then, this pack in particular has a worse value than say, the Dread pack that can give you:
Hur'q Vedcrid Hive Dreadnought Carrier
Tholian Tarantula Dreadnought Cruiser
Paradox Temporal Dreadnought
50x Pack of Master Keys
2x Pack of 100% Discount Coupon: Tier 6 Ship
10x Ultimate Tech Upgrades
Compared to this one:
Jem’Hadar Strike Ship
Ferengi Quark-class Marauder
Maquis Raider
9x Experimental Ship Upgrade Tokens
300x Lobi Crystals
10x Ultimate Tech Upgrades
Deep Space Nine Holographic Bridge Officers
Well, thats the price, kinda, of a Legendary ship... with this i get 3 ships, not bad... i'm thinking about it..
We're getting there, folks. We're getting to the point where people are conditioned into thinking this is an acceptable price because it's cheaper than an overpriced item.
Well, thats the price, kinda, of a Legendary ship... with this i get 3 ships, not bad... i'm thinking about it..
We're getting there, folks. We're getting to the point where people are conditioned into thinking this is an acceptable price because it's cheaper than an overpriced item.
Exactly. I have noticed more and more folks on the forums rationalizing the price of these new ripoff bundles by saying they are cheaper than previous ripoff bundles. But in the end people will buy what they feel comfortable buying. Cryptic wouldn't keep making these ripoff bundles if there wasn't a large portion of the playerbase interested in that sort of thing.
Well, thats the price, kinda, of a Legendary ship... with this i get 3 ships, not bad... i'm thinking about it..
We're getting there, folks. We're getting to the point where people are conditioned into thinking this is an acceptable price because it's cheaper than an overpriced item.
Exactly. I have noticed more and more folks on the forums rationalizing the price of these new ripoff bundles by saying they are cheaper than previous ripoff bundles. But in the end people will buy what they feel comfortable buying. Cryptic wouldn't keep making these ripoff bundles if there wasn't a large portion of the playerbase interested in that sort of thing.
No, you don't get it.. if they where c-store ships, yeah, way overpriced, but this ones are lobi/promo ships, ussually char bound, that cost millions on the exchange, at discount, this ships are almost 5000 zen each, for the account, it would take me a year to even get the Jemmie ship. They are expensive, yes, they are.. but i'll just expend a lot more buying keys and promo boxes to get even one, i know, i done that before. So, in the interest of saving time, i'm willing to buy this pack, just because it have the jemmie and the Quark in it, 2 ships i really want.
No, you don't get it.. if they where c-store ships, yeah, way overpriced, but this ones are lobi/promo ships, ussually char bound, that cost millions on the exchange, at discount, this ships are almost 5000 zen each, for the account, it would take me a year to even get the Jemmie ship.
We get it, and that's actually the whole problem.
You do realize that, even on discount, that's almost TWICE the price of a normal T6 C-Store ship? And pretty much the price of a whole game.
Can anyone that has a Quark Marauder please tell me if there are any bugs with it? I bought the bundle with the Amarie Smuggler Ship in it, and it's bugged in that the KDF side quartermaster doesn't sell the commodities (it gives the same duty officer assignments as the Operations Officer elsewhere in the ship) like it does on a Starfleet or Romulan character. I don't want to spend a bunch of money/zen on a bugged item again if it can be prevented. Thanks for your time! ^_^
Dang i misread. Thought the bundle would be 75% off at introduction.
At that price i would have been quite interested in the Raider. Now i am having second thoughts.
We're getting there, folks. We're getting to the point where people are conditioned into thinking this is an acceptable price because it's cheaper than an overpriced item.
And that's why we are getting a horrible prices, and bad deals (vizier, 11 th anniversary, and so on) more often... because a lot of players are accepting this psycho-manipulation practices.
No, you don't get it.. if they where c-store ships, yeah, way overpriced, but this ones are lobi/promo ships, ussually char bound, that cost millions on the exchange, at discount, this ships are almost 5000 zen each, for the account, it would take me a year to even get the Jemmie ship.
We get it, and that's actually the whole problem.
You do realize that, even on discount, that's almost TWICE the price of a normal T6 C-Store ship? And pretty much the price of a whole game.
This is exactly why I don't pull the trigger on any of these bundles. It might be a 'fair' price in comparison to some other wildly over priced items, but by no means are any of these bundles actually a good value. It doesn't matter if I can afford it or not, I know I shouldn't be sinking $150+ at a time into a single video game which is why I pass on all of these. If I am really feeling the need, I'll find a better use of the $150 and go do that instead.
No, you don't get it.. if they where c-store ships, yeah, way overpriced, but this ones are lobi/promo ships, ussually char bound, that cost millions on the exchange, at discount, this ships are almost 5000 zen each, for the account, it would take me a year to even get the Jemmie ship.
We get it, and that's actually the whole problem.
You do realize that, even on discount, that's almost TWICE the price of a normal T6 C-Store ship? And pretty much the price of a whole game.
This is exactly why I don't pull the trigger on any of these bundles. It might be a 'fair' price in comparison to some other wildly over priced items, but by no means are any of these bundles actually a good value. It doesn't matter if I can afford it or not, I know I shouldn't be sinking $150+ at a time into a single video game which is why I pass on all of these. If I am really feeling the need, I'll find a better use of the $150 and go do that instead.
+1
I got a new, higher paying job recently, but I feel even less incentive to give Cryptic any money at all. I have the disposable income now more than ever before, but I see these greedonomic bundle prices and get immediately turned off.
People can internally justify & rationalize to themselves all they want to keep that "sunk cost fallacy" afloat.
People buying these, subjectively, bad valued bundles perpetuate this type of pricing & maybe sapping resources from other parts of STO that could use some fixing/updating but beyond that it doesn't hurt my account.
Hence the saying, "let them eat their cake." Hopefully those buyers can afford it in real-life so let them enjoy it.
I've always wondered how a PvP-focused bundle would sell myself, cram it full of PvP items & sell it high?
All three ships have something going for them, some more than others, & the DS9 BOFF group looked interesting but not at that price.
I do not like these bloated bundles.
I do not like these Mudd's Market fumbles.
I will not pay for things I do not need.
I will not feed Cryptic's growing greed.
No, you don't get it.. if they where c-store ships, yeah, way overpriced, but this ones are lobi/promo ships, ussually char bound, that cost millions on the exchange, at discount, this ships are almost 5000 zen each, for the account, it would take me a year to even get the Jemmie ship.
We get it, and that's actually the whole problem.
You do realize that, even on discount, that's almost TWICE the price of a normal T6 C-Store ship? And pretty much the price of a whole game.
This is exactly why I don't pull the trigger on any of these bundles. It might be a 'fair' price in comparison to some other wildly over priced items, but by no means are any of these bundles actually a good value. It doesn't matter if I can afford it or not, I know I shouldn't be sinking $150+ at a time into a single video game which is why I pass on all of these. If I am really feeling the need, I'll find a better use of the $150 and go do that instead.
The exact wording that I like to use in this situation is that this deal is "less bad." It's still a bad deal objectively. Everything in the c-store is a bad deal. Some are less bad than others. Although all c-store deals like this are less bad than forking over $150 for enough keys or promo packs for a single character unlocked promo ship. Or gambling away $500 in keys and winning nothing but a giant pile of lobi. Man, I miss reading posts about people wasting $500. The schadenfreude was real.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Human nature. Our brain works wonders if we try to rationalize decisions and talk ourselves in our out of something.
Why bring up cash value to its full extend at all in such discussions?
No idea how the rest of you handled it but pretty much all I got in STO was via a mix of played and payed elements as I found limiting myself to either which to get excessive.
At the moment my account sits on 50-52 mil refined dil. Every day over 100k get added. I saved that for my fleets in case cryptic would torture us with another holding. Looks less and less like it every day. For over a year the fleet dil vouchers step in and I probably never get a chance to use them anyway.
It’s not that much of a thing for me here to use a few mil dil to bring the cost of those 3 ships into line of what I am willing to pay for them and that’s what I’m going to do.
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Human nature. Our brain works wonders if we try to rationalize decisions and talk ourselves in our out of something.
Why bring up cash value to its full extend at all in such discussions?
No idea how the rest of you handled it but pretty much all I got in STO was via a mix of played and payed elements as I found limiting myself to either which to get excessive.
At the moment my account sits on 50-52 mil refined dil. Every day over 100k get added. I saved that for my fleets in case cryptic would torture us with another holding. Looks less and less like it every day. For over a year the fleet dil vouchers step in and I probably never get a chance to use them anyway.
It’s not that much of a thing for me here to use a few mil dil to bring the cost of those 3 ships into line of what I am willing to pay for them and that’s what I’m going to do.
1st, congrats & well done on stockpiling that much dilithium refined at that.
I've often wondered the mind-set of someone in your position since I'd think the cost/value may not be such a particular weight upon deciding to buy such a pack similar to this or is it still?
Good point about another Fleet Holding potentially being added too maybe this year since it's been awhile.
Human nature. Our brain works wonders if we try to rationalize decisions and talk ourselves in our out of something.
Why bring up cash value to its full extend at all in such discussions?
No idea how the rest of you handled it but pretty much all I got in STO was via a mix of played and payed elements as I found limiting myself to either which to get excessive.
At the moment my account sits on 50-52 mil refined dil. Every day over 100k get added. I saved that for my fleets in case cryptic would torture us with another holding. Looks less and less like it every day. For over a year the fleet dil vouchers step in and I probably never get a chance to use them anyway.
It’s not that much of a thing for me here to use a few mil dil to bring the cost of those 3 ships into line of what I am willing to pay for them and that’s what I’m going to do.
1st, congrats & well done on stockpiling that much dilithium refined at that.
I've often wondered the mind-set of someone in your position since I'd think the cost/value may not be such a particular weight upon deciding to buy such a pack similar to this or is it still?
Good point about another Fleet Holding potentially being added too maybe this year since it's been awhile.
I think what’s a bit of an off turn for most here are the blunt costs thrown at our faces by the Mudd store especially combination with the perverse high price fluctuations (sales lol) and artificially generated limited availability. I feel the same, especially towards the latter.
Thing is just that for those of us who found their means to get their lobi, lock box and promo ships in the past not much has changed here really and if so only for the better. They always have been obscenely expensive, had highly fluctual prices and were often limited in their availability.
Depending on the individual worth peeps still got all of them (even multiple times) for traits, consoles, weapons and whatsoever. The only lesson learned the hard way for me here is to adjust to the new ways of distribution via Mudd. The pack cost, yea, but for me it pays off as my times to get my ships, multiple times, are over thanks to it.
Mudd does not get me to spend/play more (for) the game. Just the way how I play the game and how I spend my money for it changes because of it.
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I know this will probably come across as a bit of a doom post, but I've had a growing sentiment for a long time that STO has largely become a 'feeder' for Cryptic's other projects - MTG being the latest hotness. Pretty much all their new titles have been based off existing IPs to milk people's nostalgia for money. And, the business models have just been getting more predatory as time goes on.
I don't blame the developers for this, as I imagine they're being exploited as much as the 'playerbase' is here. The issue is the classic case of 'accountants' rising to management positions where they're so obssessed with numbers that even human beings are reduced to digits on a spreadsheet. The.. 'Cult of Greed'.. demands that the numbers keep going up regardless of consequence, so I sincerely don't think we'll see things improve for the consumer. I presume it will only get worse, while trying to play on sunk cost fallacy as much as possible.
The recent move to all the bundles suggest that the marketing branch has identified that 'whales' are the most profitable/successful means of acquiring better quarterly reports and should be the primary focus(while ignoring all the people who actually want to spend money, but in less amounts).
Getting back on the specific topic, In terms of account usefulness(as a one-time purchase), this newest one is probably the best one to consider when the 75% off "sale" rolls around near the end of the year. Whether it's "worth" actually spending 7500~ zen on is entirely up to the individual to evaluate though.
It’s not that much of a thing for me here to use a few mil dil to bring the cost of those 3 ships into line of what I am willing to pay for them and that’s what I’m going to do.
This is what I usually do as well, I cash in in game resources to provide most of what I need and then I meet the difference with a small amount of money that I find acceptable for the value I am receiving. I do have fairly sizable in game resources, but not as much as you have, for me these bundles would be largely cash purchases which is why I usually elect to pass on them.
To this day, the only ‘bundle’ I have jumped on was the Legendary Mirror Dreadnought bundle. I only spent about $15 US on that which was fine.. but that bundle was 4500 Zen total on sale.
It’s not that much of a thing for me here to use a few mil dil to bring the cost of those 3 ships into line of what I am willing to pay for them and that’s what I’m going to do.
This is what I usually do as well, I cash in in game resources to provide most of what I need and then I meet the difference with a small amount of money that I find acceptable for the value I am receiving. I do have fairly sizable in game resources, but not as much as you have, for me these bundles would be largely cash purchases which is why I usually elect to pass on them.
To this day, the only ‘bundle’ I have jumped on was the Legendary Mirror Dreadnought bundle. I only spent about $15 US on that which was fine.. but that bundle was 4500 Zen total on sale.
I also have stored zen, and the conversion rate of zen in my local currency is equivalent to almost 50 dolars, so, not that bad.. still thinking it thou.. because the T6 Steamrunner is way more important to me
It’s not that much of a thing for me here to use a few mil dil to bring the cost of those 3 ships into line of what I am willing to pay for them and that’s what I’m going to do.
This is what I usually do as well, I cash in in game resources to provide most of what I need and then I meet the difference with a small amount of money that I find acceptable for the value I am receiving. I do have fairly sizable in game resources, but not as much as you have, for me these bundles would be largely cash purchases which is why I usually elect to pass on them.
To this day, the only ‘bundle’ I have jumped on was the Legendary Mirror Dreadnought bundle. I only spent about $15 US on that which was fine.. but that bundle was 4500 Zen total on sale.
I also have stored zen, and the conversion rate of zen in my local currency is equivalent to almost 50 dolars, so, not that bad.. still thinking it thou.. because the T6 Steamrunner is way more important to me
If I remember correctly during that livestream they mentioned that the new Steamrunner will be closer to the tail-end of the year so maybe you'll still have enough time to grind-out more dilithium. lol
C-store ships are $30. And I only consider buying them when on sale.
These are ~$50 each (at their lowest) so big nope to me.
I've got too many ships I've paid for sitting around gathering dust, so my need/desire for new ones lessen with every purchase.
Ask me again in 29 months when my 500 Zen stipend accrues to 15000.
What I want to know is whether the DS9 holographic officers are any good and if they're worth not getting one of the ships for.
If by "good" you mean they have good space traits? I believe the answer is no. Personally, I picked all three ships because there's nothing that compares to an account wide unlock on a ship and all the goodies that come with that ship.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
What I want to know is whether the DS9 holographic officers are any good and if they're worth not getting one of the ships for.
They are good if you think they're cool and you want them. If you're looking to augment the power of your ground or space builds, then no, they offer nothing of any relevance and are no better then any generic holo BoFF you can get from any other source.
I'm waiting for Christmas. Mudd's Bundles last year were 75% off (7375 Zen or 2458 per).
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
What I want to know is whether the DS9 holographic officers are any good and if they're worth not getting one of the ships for.
If you meant, like salazarraze said, the BOFFs having Space Traits here's a list I had already posted in this thread:
The (12) DS9 BOFF bundle seems like a decent variety & offering if someone doesn't already have all or some. The ones with Space Traits I think are: Bashir (Leadership & Space Warfare Specialist), Garak (Photographic Memory), Kurland (Leadership), Weyoun (Astrophysicist), Nog (Techie), & Leck (Superior Subterfuge).
If you mean some other criteria: "any good" that subjective decision is yours.
Way back in the T5 era I used to spend 20 bucks here and there on things I wanted, but now Cryptic wants 200 bucks here and there and It's just too much IMO.
Way back in the T5 era I used to spend 20 bucks here and there on things I wanted, but now Cryptic wants 200 bucks here and there and It's just too much IMO.
I agree.
It's like if an amusement park gets less visitors per month/year so they decide to raise the ticket price to compensate for the loss of revenue.
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I just don't find the lobi, X-upgrades, & the Ultimate-upgrades in a large enough quantity to be a good enough value for consideration.
Perhaps like many have mentioned if/when it's at a better sale price, I'll reconsider it.
The 3 ship options are interesting though so kudos to Cryptic on that.
The only time the packs are worth it is during a 75% discount sale.
And even then, this pack in particular has a worse value than say, the Dread pack that can give you:
Hur'q Vedcrid Hive Dreadnought Carrier
Tholian Tarantula Dreadnought Cruiser
Paradox Temporal Dreadnought
50x Pack of Master Keys
2x Pack of 100% Discount Coupon: Tier 6 Ship
10x Ultimate Tech Upgrades
Compared to this one:
Jem’Hadar Strike Ship
Ferengi Quark-class Marauder
Maquis Raider
9x Experimental Ship Upgrade Tokens
300x Lobi Crystals
10x Ultimate Tech Upgrades
Deep Space Nine Holographic Bridge Officers
We're getting there, folks. We're getting to the point where people are conditioned into thinking this is an acceptable price because it's cheaper than an overpriced item.
Also: Sorry to barge in and crush the hope, but it doesn't. Only the Nagus-class had the golden skin.
Exactly. I have noticed more and more folks on the forums rationalizing the price of these new ripoff bundles by saying they are cheaper than previous ripoff bundles. But in the end people will buy what they feel comfortable buying. Cryptic wouldn't keep making these ripoff bundles if there wasn't a large portion of the playerbase interested in that sort of thing.
No, you don't get it.. if they where c-store ships, yeah, way overpriced, but this ones are lobi/promo ships, ussually char bound, that cost millions on the exchange, at discount, this ships are almost 5000 zen each, for the account, it would take me a year to even get the Jemmie ship. They are expensive, yes, they are.. but i'll just expend a lot more buying keys and promo boxes to get even one, i know, i done that before. So, in the interest of saving time, i'm willing to buy this pack, just because it have the jemmie and the Quark in it, 2 ships i really want.
You do realize that, even on discount, that's almost TWICE the price of a normal T6 C-Store ship? And pretty much the price of a whole game.
Yeah me too... now i must say pass.
And that's why we are getting a horrible prices, and bad deals (vizier, 11 th anniversary, and so on) more often... because a lot of players are accepting this psycho-manipulation practices.
This is exactly why I don't pull the trigger on any of these bundles. It might be a 'fair' price in comparison to some other wildly over priced items, but by no means are any of these bundles actually a good value. It doesn't matter if I can afford it or not, I know I shouldn't be sinking $150+ at a time into a single video game which is why I pass on all of these. If I am really feeling the need, I'll find a better use of the $150 and go do that instead.
+1
I got a new, higher paying job recently, but I feel even less incentive to give Cryptic any money at all. I have the disposable income now more than ever before, but I see these greedonomic bundle prices and get immediately turned off.
People buying these, subjectively, bad valued bundles perpetuate this type of pricing & maybe sapping resources from other parts of STO that could use some fixing/updating but beyond that it doesn't hurt my account.
Hence the saying, "let them eat their cake." Hopefully those buyers can afford it in real-life so let them enjoy it.
I've always wondered how a PvP-focused bundle would sell myself, cram it full of PvP items & sell it high?
All three ships have something going for them, some more than others, & the DS9 BOFF group looked interesting but not at that price.
I see what you did, Theodore
The exact wording that I like to use in this situation is that this deal is "less bad." It's still a bad deal objectively. Everything in the c-store is a bad deal. Some are less bad than others. Although all c-store deals like this are less bad than forking over $150 for enough keys or promo packs for a single character unlocked promo ship. Or gambling away $500 in keys and winning nothing but a giant pile of lobi. Man, I miss reading posts about people wasting $500. The schadenfreude was real.
Why bring up cash value to its full extend at all in such discussions?
No idea how the rest of you handled it but pretty much all I got in STO was via a mix of played and payed elements as I found limiting myself to either which to get excessive.
At the moment my account sits on 50-52 mil refined dil. Every day over 100k get added. I saved that for my fleets in case cryptic would torture us with another holding. Looks less and less like it every day. For over a year the fleet dil vouchers step in and I probably never get a chance to use them anyway.
It’s not that much of a thing for me here to use a few mil dil to bring the cost of those 3 ships into line of what I am willing to pay for them and that’s what I’m going to do.
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1st, congrats & well done on stockpiling that much dilithium refined at that.
I've often wondered the mind-set of someone in your position since I'd think the cost/value may not be such a particular weight upon deciding to buy such a pack similar to this or is it still?
Good point about another Fleet Holding potentially being added too maybe this year since it's been awhile.
I think what’s a bit of an off turn for most here are the blunt costs thrown at our faces by the Mudd store especially combination with the perverse high price fluctuations (sales lol) and artificially generated limited availability. I feel the same, especially towards the latter.
Thing is just that for those of us who found their means to get their lobi, lock box and promo ships in the past not much has changed here really and if so only for the better. They always have been obscenely expensive, had highly fluctual prices and were often limited in their availability.
Depending on the individual worth peeps still got all of them (even multiple times) for traits, consoles, weapons and whatsoever. The only lesson learned the hard way for me here is to adjust to the new ways of distribution via Mudd. The pack cost, yea, but for me it pays off as my times to get my ships, multiple times, are over thanks to it.
Mudd does not get me to spend/play more (for) the game. Just the way how I play the game and how I spend my money for it changes because of it.
Looking for a fun PvE fleet? Join us at Omega Combat Division today.
I don't blame the developers for this, as I imagine they're being exploited as much as the 'playerbase' is here. The issue is the classic case of 'accountants' rising to management positions where they're so obssessed with numbers that even human beings are reduced to digits on a spreadsheet. The.. 'Cult of Greed'.. demands that the numbers keep going up regardless of consequence, so I sincerely don't think we'll see things improve for the consumer. I presume it will only get worse, while trying to play on sunk cost fallacy as much as possible.
The recent move to all the bundles suggest that the marketing branch has identified that 'whales' are the most profitable/successful means of acquiring better quarterly reports and should be the primary focus(while ignoring all the people who actually want to spend money, but in less amounts).
Getting back on the specific topic, In terms of account usefulness(as a one-time purchase), this newest one is probably the best one to consider when the 75% off "sale" rolls around near the end of the year. Whether it's "worth" actually spending 7500~ zen on is entirely up to the individual to evaluate though.
This is what I usually do as well, I cash in in game resources to provide most of what I need and then I meet the difference with a small amount of money that I find acceptable for the value I am receiving. I do have fairly sizable in game resources, but not as much as you have, for me these bundles would be largely cash purchases which is why I usually elect to pass on them.
To this day, the only ‘bundle’ I have jumped on was the Legendary Mirror Dreadnought bundle. I only spent about $15 US on that which was fine.. but that bundle was 4500 Zen total on sale.
I also have stored zen, and the conversion rate of zen in my local currency is equivalent to almost 50 dolars, so, not that bad.. still thinking it thou.. because the T6 Steamrunner is way more important to me
If I remember correctly during that livestream they mentioned that the new Steamrunner will be closer to the tail-end of the year so maybe you'll still have enough time to grind-out more dilithium. lol
These are ~$50 each (at their lowest) so big nope to me.
I've got too many ships I've paid for sitting around gathering dust, so my need/desire for new ones lessen with every purchase.
Ask me again in 29 months when my 500 Zen stipend accrues to 15000.
If by "good" you mean they have good space traits? I believe the answer is no. Personally, I picked all three ships because there's nothing that compares to an account wide unlock on a ship and all the goodies that come with that ship.
They are good if you think they're cool and you want them. If you're looking to augment the power of your ground or space builds, then no, they offer nothing of any relevance and are no better then any generic holo BoFF you can get from any other source.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
If you meant, like salazarraze said, the BOFFs having Space Traits here's a list I had already posted in this thread:
The (12) DS9 BOFF bundle seems like a decent variety & offering if someone doesn't already have all or some. The ones with Space Traits I think are: Bashir (Leadership & Space Warfare Specialist), Garak (Photographic Memory), Kurland (Leadership), Weyoun (Astrophysicist), Nog (Techie), & Leck (Superior Subterfuge).
If you mean some other criteria: "any good" that subjective decision is yours.
I agree.
It's like if an amusement park gets less visitors per month/year so they decide to raise the ticket price to compensate for the loss of revenue.