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Ok I don't know to whom they listen but surely its nobody I know playing this game. The changes from yesterday to the Ambassador ??? Why???
I thought the ship was ok as it was however the B'rel is lackluster and alot of people throughout multiple platforms said that but they are listening to our feedback? So far the changes they have made other with the turnrate on the Vor'cha I can't find myself but wondering who asked for these other changes who are these people Cryptic is listening to their feedback?

If they should have changed a fed ship then it should have been the Excelsior because its almost a 1 to 1 copy of the Legendary Sovereign why would I want 2 times the same ship just with different looks...

Oh well I think it makes it even easier to pass on that dumb bundle.
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  • evilspokevilspok Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    I think they stopped listening to player feedback when we all voted for the Jupiter and then turned around and despised it.
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,076 Arc User
    edited February 17
    I think @jennycolvin managed to describe the action we witness best in another thread going mysteriously under:
    Changes were not made because of constructive criticism. Changes were made because of the uproar in ALL the platforms - something that, as has been pointed out in this very thread, seems to be regarded as the minority when it comes to stuff like the Nova T6 and more KDF ships, but now that there's TONS of money on the line, suddenly they're not.

    They realized something is off, they also understand that an imminent sale is at risk. Now they kinda feel they need to act but do not know how. They would if they do what you suggest in your threads title OP. Such things just take some time and have to be kept up continuously.

    I got word from the some of the league admins that kael is asking for build advice on twitter. Lol, learn to play the game whose community he moderates and all. Sweet. :D

    It’s a good start for sure but for this pack its ways too late. The whole thing remains how it started: BAD!
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,068 Arc User
    edited February 17
    evilspok wrote: »
    I think they stopped listening to player feedback when we all voted for the Jupiter and then turned around and despised it.

    We voted on the Jupiter's appearance.. not on it's stats. It's functionality is why it's unpopular and I am pretty sure Cryptic knows that.

    As far as the bundle, they're trying to sweeten the deal, but I have to agree that they are addressing the wrong concerns. We will see how the bundle sells, but if it sells well despite all the backlash then I wouldn't expect to see future concessions on things the community finds unpopular.
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  • corinthalascorinthalas Member Posts: 611 Arc User
    evilspok wrote: »
    I think they stopped listening to player feedback when we all voted for the Jupiter and then turned around and despised it.

    We voted on the Jupiter's appearance.. not on it's stats. It's functionality is why it's unpopular and I am pretty sure Cryptic knows that.

    As far as the bundle, they're trying to sweeten the deal, but I have to agree that they are addressing the wrong concerns. We will see how the bundle sells, but if it sells well despite all the backlash then I wouldn't expect to see future concessions on things the community finds unpopular.

    Even if it 'sells well' that doesn't capture the vaunted 'metrics' about how many sales there'd be for a 'just ships' bundle for the many players who do not want and will not buy all the filler nonsense. And you can't claim to be 'following the metrics' if you've never captured them in the first place. Twice as many sales at half the price is just as good (with digital goods).
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,068 Arc User
    evilspok wrote: »
    I think they stopped listening to player feedback when we all voted for the Jupiter and then turned around and despised it.

    We voted on the Jupiter's appearance.. not on it's stats. It's functionality is why it's unpopular and I am pretty sure Cryptic knows that.

    As far as the bundle, they're trying to sweeten the deal, but I have to agree that they are addressing the wrong concerns. We will see how the bundle sells, but if it sells well despite all the backlash then I wouldn't expect to see future concessions on things the community finds unpopular.

    Even if it 'sells well' that doesn't capture the vaunted 'metrics' about how many sales there'd be for a 'just ships' bundle for the many players who do not want and will not buy all the filler nonsense. And you can't claim to be 'following the metrics' if you've never captured them in the first place. Twice as many sales at half the price is just as good (with digital goods).

    Hey, I don't disagree.. I am just saying how they will react if the bundle sells well. I am firmly in the camp of wanting a lower priced bundle without all the 'bloat.' :smile:
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  • corinthalascorinthalas Member Posts: 611 Arc User
    evilspok wrote: »
    I think they stopped listening to player feedback when we all voted for the Jupiter and then turned around and despised it.

    We voted on the Jupiter's appearance.. not on it's stats. It's functionality is why it's unpopular and I am pretty sure Cryptic knows that.

    As far as the bundle, they're trying to sweeten the deal, but I have to agree that they are addressing the wrong concerns. We will see how the bundle sells, but if it sells well despite all the backlash then I wouldn't expect to see future concessions on things the community finds unpopular.

    Even if it 'sells well' that doesn't capture the vaunted 'metrics' about how many sales there'd be for a 'just ships' bundle for the many players who do not want and will not buy all the filler nonsense. And you can't claim to be 'following the metrics' if you've never captured them in the first place. Twice as many sales at half the price is just as good (with digital goods).

    Hey, I don't disagree.. I am just saying how they will react if the bundle sells well. I am firmly in the camp of wanting a lower priced bundle without all the 'bloat.' :smile:

    Likewise. I'd like a legendary T'liss, but I'm not touching that bundle with a 100' pole for the same reasons. And at this point, the same is true of the 2021 legendary bundle.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    Whether it sells well or not is something we'll never really know, good chance that the more padding a bundle has the lower the bar for "success" will be set.
  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,730 Arc User
    Does the Ambassador really have a cloak now? Doesn't really fit that ship if I'm being honest.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,068 Arc User
    nikephorus wrote: »
    Does the Ambassador really have a cloak now? Doesn't really fit that ship if I'm being honest.

    It does yes, and I agree.. it doesn't fit.

    The best explanation I can think of is the fact that it's a full Intel ship now. All 'Full Intel' ships can cloak with the one exception being the Legendary Kelvin Timeline Constitution class. Even the Federation ships that are full intel (Phantom, Eclipse, Scryer, Vengeance, etc) can all cloak. The Section 31 ships have "Dark Mode" which is functionally identical to a standard cloak just with a different visual.

    Given the history of the Enterprise C, the spec that makes the most sense for the Ambassador is Temporal. For whatever reason, they have made Temporal it's secondary specialization and Intel it's primary. I agree, it doesn't really fit with the theme of the Enterprise C or with the Ambassador Class as a whole. Intel ships are typically more classified or covert oriented ships and the Ambassador definitely doesn't meet that criteria.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 5,837 Arc User
    Given the history of the Enterprise C, the spec that makes the most sense for the Ambassador is Temporal. For whatever reason, they have made Temporal it's secondary specialization and Intel it's primary. I agree, it doesn't really fit with the theme of the Enterprise C or with the Ambassador Class as a whole. Intel ships are typically more classified or covert oriented ships and the Ambassador definitely doesn't meet that criteria.

    People were complaining that it was too similar to the Narendra, which is already a full Temporal ship itself, so that's surely the reason it was changed for this one. I personally prefer Intel due to OSS, but not enough to pay $200 for 4 ships plus a bunch on unwanted junk.

    As for the cloak that's definitely due to the Intel gimmick, and I can't help but wonder why the JJPrise doesn't have access to one. Oversight maybe?
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  • doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 694 Arc User
    nikephorus wrote: »
    Does the Ambassador really have a cloak now? Doesn't really fit that ship if I'm being honest.

    Cloak is broke as it is at least the battle cloak is because after using it a few times you can't get out of cloak anymore. God knows when or if they are going to fix that.

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  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 1,964 Arc User
    nikephorus wrote: »
    Does the Ambassador really have a cloak now? Doesn't really fit that ship if I'm being honest.

    Cloak is broke as it is at least the battle cloak is because after using it a few times you can't get out of cloak anymore. God knows when or if they are going to fix that.

    add that to the list of many things they "supposedly: know about, but wont fix.

    as for the listening, i give props to them in altering the stats to better align with the game and such. even if not us here as a minority, but with all platforms, at least they did. no, im not buying it, but they did make changes.
    meh

  • evilspokevilspok Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    evilspok wrote: »
    I think they stopped listening to player feedback when we all voted for the Jupiter and then turned around and despised it.

    We voted on the Jupiter's appearance.. not on it's stats. It's functionality is why it's unpopular and I am pretty sure Cryptic knows that.

    As far as the bundle, they're trying to sweeten the deal, but I have to agree that they are addressing the wrong concerns. We will see how the bundle sells, but if it sells well despite all the backlash then I wouldn't expect to see future concessions on things the community finds unpopular.

    I don't think that's why it's been called the flying toilet bowl since day 1. As far as stats go it was perfectly fine at the time, still is for that matter, however it's been ditched now that we have cruiser's that somehow field 2 hangar bays and the Jupiter hasn't been touched since.
  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 1,964 Arc User
    evilspok wrote: »
    evilspok wrote: »
    I think they stopped listening to player feedback when we all voted for the Jupiter and then turned around and despised it.

    We voted on the Jupiter's appearance.. not on it's stats. It's functionality is why it's unpopular and I am pretty sure Cryptic knows that.

    As far as the bundle, they're trying to sweeten the deal, but I have to agree that they are addressing the wrong concerns. We will see how the bundle sells, but if it sells well despite all the backlash then I wouldn't expect to see future concessions on things the community finds unpopular.

    I don't think that's why it's been called the flying toilet bowl since day 1. As far as stats go it was perfectly fine at the time, still is for that matter, however it's been ditched now that we have cruiser's that somehow field 2 hangar bays and the Jupiter hasn't been touched since.

    thus the joy of what some like, and some dont. i for one think the jupiter is barf city. however, others have mentioned they like it. i am glad we have alternate carriers to enjoy because of this.
    meh

  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,232 Arc User
    evilspok wrote: »
    evilspok wrote: »
    I think they stopped listening to player feedback when we all voted for the Jupiter and then turned around and despised it.

    We voted on the Jupiter's appearance.. not on it's stats. It's functionality is why it's unpopular and I am pretty sure Cryptic knows that.

    As far as the bundle, they're trying to sweeten the deal, but I have to agree that they are addressing the wrong concerns. We will see how the bundle sells, but if it sells well despite all the backlash then I wouldn't expect to see future concessions on things the community finds unpopular.

    I don't think that's why it's been called the flying toilet bowl since day 1. As far as stats go it was perfectly fine at the time, still is for that matter, however it's been ditched now that we have cruiser's that somehow field 2 hangar bays and the Jupiter hasn't been touched since.

    thus the joy of what some like, and some dont. i for one think the jupiter is barf city. however, others have mentioned they like it. i am glad we have alternate carriers to enjoy because of this.

    I love the Juptier and it's VoQuv counterpoint, but the problem is, apart from Frigate Pets, the Jupiter is completely out-done and under-powered to every other carrier. If they had made it a 4/3 or given it a Sec. Deflector (which would more suit the Juptier's remit) it would be on-par with the other vanilla carriers. I'm not even going to go into it being humilated against the Donnie......OOPS!
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  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 1,964 Arc User
    edited February 17
    leemwatson wrote: »
    evilspok wrote: »
    evilspok wrote: »
    I think they stopped listening to player feedback when we all voted for the Jupiter and then turned around and despised it.

    We voted on the Jupiter's appearance.. not on it's stats. It's functionality is why it's unpopular and I am pretty sure Cryptic knows that.

    As far as the bundle, they're trying to sweeten the deal, but I have to agree that they are addressing the wrong concerns. We will see how the bundle sells, but if it sells well despite all the backlash then I wouldn't expect to see future concessions on things the community finds unpopular.

    I don't think that's why it's been called the flying toilet bowl since day 1. As far as stats go it was perfectly fine at the time, still is for that matter, however it's been ditched now that we have cruiser's that somehow field 2 hangar bays and the Jupiter hasn't been touched since.

    thus the joy of what some like, and some dont. i for one think the jupiter is barf city. however, others have mentioned they like it. i am glad we have alternate carriers to enjoy because of this.

    I love the Juptier and it's VoQuv counterpoint, but the problem is, apart from Frigate Pets, the Jupiter is completely out-done and under-powered to every other carrier. If they had made it a 4/3 or given it a Sec. Deflector (which would more suit the Juptier's remit) it would be on-par with the other vanilla carriers. I'm not even going to go into it being humilated against the Donnie......OOPS!

    ha true. i think all carriers should get some bit of difference (like the sec deflector) to offer some stand out options when compared to other options out there.
    when it came out - the jupiter - i was shocked at the looks. i didnt even bother to look at stats at that point. :)

    many people are stat people. i am not really. i build for fun and looks based on what i want for a given crew and cpt.

    ive done a bloom county set, created an abe lincoln way way way long time ago (way before the eps with him came out)-still have him, but hes a storage cpt now), a tesla toon, and i am working on a new crew now. (if you know about clapping coconuts together, then thats a hint)

    again, to each their own. but the jupiter is one i will never own. among several others. :)
    meh

  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 866 Arc User
    I maintain what I said in another thread: they listened because money is on the line, but once that ship will have sailed, they're gonna go back to how it was.

    It happened before and I don't think we saw any meaningful changes in their mindset in the mean time, so I can't really imagine why they would suddenly start listening to us now.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,765 Bug Hunter
    evilspok wrote: »
    I think they stopped listening to player feedback when we all voted for the Jupiter and then turned around and despised it.

    I never voted for the Jupiter. It was my last choice, yet that's me.
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  • cryptkeeper0cryptkeeper0 Member Posts: 844 Arc User
    Ok I don't know to whom they listen but surely its nobody I know playing this game. The changes from yesterday to the Ambassador ??? Why???
    I thought the ship was ok as it was however the B'rel is lackluster and alot of people throughout multiple platforms said that but they are listening to our feedback? So far the changes they have made other with the turnrate on the Vor'cha I can't find myself but wondering who asked for these other changes who are these people Cryptic is listening to their feedback?

    If they should have changed a fed ship then it should have been the Excelsior because its almost a 1 to 1 copy of the Legendary Sovereign why would I want 2 times the same ship just with different looks...

    Oh well I think it makes it even easier to pass on that dumb bundle.
    Do you have https://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Yamaguchi_Support_Cruiser the legendary basically only really had a extra specialization seat at lt.com and few stat adjustments other wise they were more similar then the legendary excelsior is to the legendary sovereign.

    Though I do wish the legendary excelsior was the first full pilot cruiser, miracle worker works because Scottie helped design a lot of it. I also agree B'rel needs more updates, the one I think would help the most is simply switching the 4 engineer consoles with 4 science consoles. If they aren't willing to make 5/1 ,

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