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mothmicromothmicro Member Posts: 25 Arc User
What about the old ships? They have been neglected lately, how about you bring out older, well-known ships or update them to T6.

At some point the new ships will be enough, right? I don’t spend any money on ships that I’m not interested in and that have completely uninteresting traits.

How about a T6 Nova with intelligence, or the vulcanic cruiser of the Suurok class? Or a T6 D'Kyr?

Me and another dozen people I know would spend their money on this, instead of just the new stuff that. Whats the Problem in doing so?

Tell me, did you not want our money or why are you doing that? You dont care anymore about the fans and just want to make money pumping out new ships and traits??

You can still pump out new ships for making money... But you can bring this ships too or upgrade them to t6 to make even more money! Whats the Problem??

Perfect World dont like to make even more money?

I can well imagine if you bring old ships to well-known ships and make them available as a T6 version, you will earn a lot of money and win back some old people who have stopped playing.

As Example, the new Vulcan Suurok Class as a Cruiser with Miracle Worker or the Dky'r with Intellgence /Temporal or something like that..

Or a Suurak Class Pack with 3 ships, tactical, technican and science variant like the Presidio, Concorde and Geneva.

Greetings.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,345 Arc User
    mothmicro wrote: »
    What about the old ships? They have been neglected lately, how about you bring out older, well-known ships or update them to T6.

    At some point the new ships will be enough, right? I don’t spend any money on ships that I’m not interested in and that have completely uninteresting traits.

    How about a T6 Nova with intelligence, or the vulcanic cruiser of the Suurok class? Or a T6 D'Kyr?

    Me and another dozen people I know would spend their money on this, instead of just the new stuff that. Whats the Problem in doing so?

    Tell me, did you not want our money or why are you doing that? You dont care anymore about the fans and just want to make money pumping out new ships and traits??

    You can still pump out new ships for making money... But you can bring this ships too or upgrade them to t6 to make even more money! Whats the Problem??

    Perfect World dont like to make even more money?

    I can well imagine if you bring old ships to well-known ships and make them available as a T6 version, you will earn a lot of money and win back some old people who have stopped playing.

    As Example, the new Vulcan Suurok Class as a Cruiser with Miracle Worker or the Dky'r with Intellgence /Temporal or something like that..

    Or a Suurak Class Pack with 3 ships, tactical, technican and science variant like the Presidio, Concorde and Geneva.

    Greetings.

    Every ship is getting a T6 version. It is a matter of when.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,507 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    True, though judging by their track record, for some ships that "when" will likely be a very long time from now.
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    saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,395 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    The way I see, it's really a matter of whether or not the current series has a current or past/futuristic variant of the existing version to really "force" their hand and give some neglected canon ships a T6 variants and a remodel much faster.

    So I'd say right now, the best hope to get a T6 Nova any day is to have a Ransom or Kim-class appear in Discovery or the Rhode Island itself in LD.
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    I can make a T5U ship fight like a T6 ship all day long. It's all in the build. :)
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,507 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    I can make a T5U ship fight like a T6 ship all day long. It's all in the build. :)

    A lot of those old favorites are not even T5u though, like the Vandal, the Olympic, the Emissary style Star Cruiser and others.
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    I can make a T5U ship fight like a T6 ship all day long. It's all in the build. :)

    A lot of those old favorites are not even T5u though, like the Vandal, the Olympic, the Emissary style Star Cruiser and others.

    Point taken. And you make a good one. Been playing since the beginning so I own soooooooooooo many ships in all factions it'd actually be funny if I took it seriously.
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    vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,857 Arc User
    Given that this year we got both a T6 Luna, and a T6 Kar'fi, two old ships that had long gone without a T6 version, they do appear to be working on the backlog to some extent.

    As it stands, theres only about 30 or so ships lacking a T6 version, and otuside of the Nova, and the Dyson Destroyers, most of them aren't particularly requested ships.

    and one that is not represented in the game at all, despite being in at least 2 TNG episodes.. the K'Vort
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,507 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    and one that is not represented in the game at all, despite being in at least 2 TNG episodes.. the K'Vort
    The K'Vort is just the B'rel.

    Model wise it is, they used the same shooting model for both ships so it would be a bit disappointing visually, but one is small, like a corvette or frigate with a crew of only about a dozen (assuming one of them is Kruge's ship), while according to dialog the other is a battlecruiser, so handling and system-wise they would be completely different in the game.
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,789 Arc User
    I can make a T5U ship fight like a T6 ship all day long. It's all in the build. :)

    A lot of those old favorites are not even T5u though, like the Vandal, the Olympic, the Emissary style Star Cruiser and others.

    True.

    I bought a Star Cruiser, used a fleet module and an upgrade token. That ship is still not equal to a T6 ship and never will be.

    It's disappointing. Such a lovely design that's appreciated by quite a number of players, judging by how often I see them in-game.
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    nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    True, though judging by their track record, for some ships that "when" will likely be a very long time from now.

    Couldn't agree more. A word they're very fond of using in this context is "eventually". A completely meaningless statement for sure, and in the case of the Nova, a non-answer that they've been feeding us for over six years.

    I feel bad for you -you've been patiently waiting for the Nova forever. I feel like since it had a couple episodes of Voyager where it was a very prominent fixture that it would have been done already.
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    smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,664 Arc User
    Will there be a t6 Constellation...they DID make a new model of it.

    I also want a t6 Pioneer....the TOS Utility cruiser.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,507 Arc User
    Will there be a t6 Constellation...they DID make a new model of it.

    I also want a t6 Pioneer....the TOS Utility cruiser.

    I would like a T6 Pioneer too, the TOS fans get almost nothing ship-wise in STO and they are always much more expensive than average since they are all either special package ships or T5 ships that have to be bought and applied as skins to separate T6 ships instead of just being a ship tailor option like almost all the others.
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    strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,666 Bug Hunter
    I'd still like to see a T6 Dyson series with updated SKINs, though wish they'd improve the Tactical Mode to getting back to there Science focus.

    A T6 Nova is another interesting Ship, and while I long waited and hoped for a Titan Ship; which has now come, so this will likely be my next addition. :)
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    We'll never get a T6 Dyson 9-pack (12-pack) or any of those type packs any more, with the Engineering, Tactical, and Science varients. Too many varients foe them to make. The best we will get is one for each Faction, with a Science focused Science Destroyer. And to boot it will not be Fleet Grade either.,
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,789 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    And to boot it will not be Fleet Grade either.,
    I don't think there is a T6 ship that isn't fleet grade, or doesn't have a fleet grade version.

    Of course they either are or have a fleet variant. The point is that some ships aren't automatically fleet grade and have to be brought up to that level.
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    [3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,789 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    strathkin wrote: »
    I'd still like to see a T6 Dyson series with updated SKINs, though wish they'd improve the Tactical Mode to getting back to there Science focus.

    A T6 Nova is another interesting Ship, and while I long waited and hoped for a Titan Ship; which has now come, so this will likely be my next addition. :)

    and this is where likes and dislikes become personal in what one finds worthy of flight and not.
    i for one dislike the whole dyson series, and yet, many like them.

    id wholeheartedly prefer a Nova over ANY dyson redo.

    I think there are other things that should matter too though.

    From an in-game / lore perspective, does it make sense that Starfleet is upgrading some of its ships every couple of months while totally neglecting other designs? Especially when they have tools (read: X-upgrade tokens) that can enhance any ship?

    The Dyson ships, being the result of newly discovered and highly advanced technology, ought to be among the most advanced ships in the fleet. Taking into account that both ships from the same era - like the Galaxy - and those that were designed later - like the Avenger, Prometheus, Intrepid or Sovereign - have received tons of upgrades, the Nova ought to get one too.


    (Of course, that's what would happen if keeping things realistic were deemed slightly important. In reality only sales seem to matter, even if those new sales require an approach that would be totally unrealistic in-game.)
    [4:46] [Combat {self}] Your Haymaker deals 23337 (9049) Physical Damage(Critical) to Spawnmother

    [3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
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    duasynduasyn Member Posts: 492 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    I was looking at my ships today and saw one toon has a T5-U Avenger. And it's upgradeable to 'X' :D
    I guess if I really wanted to I could make it a T5-UX? Would that be better or worse than upgrading an Arbiter to T6X?
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,789 Arc User
    between Upgrades and X-perimental Upgrades, T5 and Fleet T5 are every bit as good as T6s. Just some, like the Nove and K'tanco, just need the 'ol spit shine and spotlight.

    Maybe so. Still, there may be few differences, a ship won't be a full T6 ship until the Devs make it so.

    Besides, if you buy a T5 ship, upgrade it to T5U, then use a fleet module and finally use an X-upgrade token, you're basically buying the same ship multiple times. You'd be spending even more than you would've spent buying a T6 ship that's automatically brought up to fleet grade when opened.

    That's ridiculous to expect of players. They should remove some of these layers anyway.
    Not use their existence as an excuse not to release T6 versions of some ships.



    (I'm going a bit off-topic here maybe, but in my opinion, the differences between a T6 and a fleet T6 ship should be removed eventually by making all T6 ships T6fleet ones. But let them start by releasing new ships at fleet T6 grade. Instead of this arbitrary nonsense where some ships get 11 console slots and improved stats automatically whereas other ones need additional modules to be improved - despite their prices being the same.

    If players spend 3000 zen for a T6 ship, it should have all the features that other (comparable) T6 ships get in terms of console slots, hull points etc.)
    [4:46] [Combat {self}] Your Haymaker deals 23337 (9049) Physical Damage(Critical) to Spawnmother

    [3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
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    vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,857 Arc User
    seems to me that I went backward ob a defiant build, because of the boff layout. I may have to look at the Defiant again, the X ship might make her a bit better
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    captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    True, though judging by their track record, for some ships that "when" will likely be a very long time from now.

    Couldn't agree more. A word they're very fond of using in this context is "eventually". A completely meaningless statement for sure, and in the case of the Nova, a non-answer that they've been feeding us for over six years.

    Cryptic used to call this SOON (tm).
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