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STO Lootboxes and Terrible Drop Rates.
dicehunter
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So I'd like to get 1 of the ships from inside the Infinity Lockbox but wanted a little more information for drop rates etc... so I asked a friend who recently dropped a stupid amount of money on Zen followed by buying 50 x 10 key packs resulting in 500 keys, Absolutely nuts.
Anyway he thought with 500 keys and well over $300 spent he'd be guaranteed 1 of the T6 ships...nope, 500 keys and no T6 ship or Infinity Prize Pack - T6 Ship as it's known, I know STO has basically turned into a predatory mobile pay game now, As many are calling it now, But that is insane, The most I'd ever spend is maybe $40, Never $300 on what is basically nothing.
Devs, You guys need to change these abysmal drop rates, I get you have to pay the bills for the server, Developers, Maintenance etc... but this isn't just bad, It's supremely greedy.
Anyway he thought with 500 keys and well over $300 spent he'd be guaranteed 1 of the T6 ships...nope, 500 keys and no T6 ship or Infinity Prize Pack - T6 Ship as it's known, I know STO has basically turned into a predatory mobile pay game now, As many are calling it now, But that is insane, The most I'd ever spend is maybe $40, Never $300 on what is basically nothing.
Devs, You guys need to change these abysmal drop rates, I get you have to pay the bills for the server, Developers, Maintenance etc... but this isn't just bad, It's supremely greedy.
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It is sheer luck and gambling nothing more. I opened 10 boxes the other day got 1 T6 infinity ship and 1 T5. There was a time where I opened 40 and got nothing useful. Its all luck. Dont bother opening boxes just sell keys for EC and buy your ship like that
After seeing the odds of actually getting a T6 I don't want to gamble and this is gambling in every sense of the word, I'll just buy a few keys each month and do as you stated and sell them.
Yep, I've looked at the potential items you can get from a lockbox and it's really not that much but the odds at getting the T6 token is utterly ridiculous, For it to be a guaranteed drop you'd need to spend well over $1000 on this gambling.
Yes and that is why usually the best way to get a ship is have the old boxes that introduced the ship in the game opened, rather than infinity. Just save a bunch of boxes when a ship you want gets introduced cause later they stop dropping and infinity becomes the only way(unless someone is selling old boxes in exchange)
For example the doff packs are each a single filler rather than being dropped into a choice box the way weapons were. This is on top of the multiple entries for junk like R&D packs, bits from inside the R&D packs and the various boosters.
And of course the randomised amount of lobi which is invariably terrible in comparison to the asking prices in the overpriced store.
It is never guaranteed, there's always a chance you won't get one no matter how many you open. The more you open the more likely you are to get at least one ship, but those odds never actually hit 100% and as far as I know Cryptic has never implemented any kind of bad luck protection into it. I personally have only gambled on 3 ships. The JJPrise is the only lockbox ship I gambled on, and after 80 boxes I have up and purchased one from the exchange, then opened ~20 more on my Klingon and got the JJ bird of prey which I then sold for twice what I had paid for the JJPrise. So approximately 100 boxes got my only lockbox win.
My other two were the Jem'Hadar Strike Ship and the Temporal TOS Connie, both of which I got extremely lucky with and won after only opening 2 or 3 Promoboxes each. That is definitely NOT the norm though, just amazing luck.
Valid assessment.
Are the odds of getting a T6 prize actually lower than getting the ship from a normal lockbox? I always assumed it was equal, with the T5 prize pack having a higher chance and the other items having a lower than normal chance to compensate for the existence of the T5. Just because they're are more options doesn't automatically mean the T6 has lower odds because the odds are different for each item, 0.5% is still 0.5% whether there are only 2 or as many as 2000 other possibilities.
Yes agreed but I think they could just move the T5s into lobi store and get a PR win while waiting for the rest to get a T6 version. I am also not sure if they plan for the Mirror ones like Mirror VoQuv T5 to get a T6. Those mirror ships dont have the option to be upgraded to T5U either so only reason to buy one is the skin unlock. Alternate could be just make them avaliable on the ship selling npc as I dont think they merit a UR token for phoenix shop
Personally, I've only gotten one semi-rare ship in years & many many boxes (all keys gotten via EC or dil->zen). The Herald Quas cruiser.
If/when that does happen then they're gonna be be in Mudd's market....it's a sad day when EA is less scummy than Cryptic
EA in SWTOR planned a long time ago for the eventual collapse of loot boxes so they began selling almost any obtainable gamble box item on their store. You could either obtain the item for a large cost or you could still do boxes. But Cryptic on the other hand put in Mudd's market when it looked like things were getting questionable in the US, then covid came alone and things quieted down...so they're happy to be as greedy as possible to milk the whales.
EA of all people offered a alternative while I'm guessing Cryptic will be predatory till the day gamble boxes are made illegal in the US
There is a huge difference in SWTOR(which I play every day). Apart that items got rotationally in discout the most expensive item is 5500 cartel points. Thats is 35 euros as you can see in
https://www.swtor.com/buy
Now compare that with the most expensive things here or usual mudd prices and you see Cryptic prices way more
Infinity Promo 1:100
Phoenix 1: Number too high to be serious
Since Infinities became a thing I've gotten 7 Infinity Promos and 3 Lockbox (2 Infinity, 1 Kelvin). I've gotten 1 Epic and 2 UR Phoenix Tokens. I've also probably gotten 35-40 T5 Ship Choice Boxes. The number of Phoenix boxes opened is over 1,300. I've also purchased numerous Ships from the Exchange, which provides 100% chance to get your desired ship.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The rarities may explain also lockbox ships have rised to sky approaching promo box prices. Most lockbox ships I check on tend to be between 750 and 950m.
One example is
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Na'Qjej_Intel_Battlecruiser
900m last week when I checked
Same with Zen Store offerings, making Zen more valuable over Dilithium, raising the Dil-Ex prices, which trickles down to raising most other in-game items. With (by my estimate) fewer players, and fewer out of those still playing doing the gambling, the greater the rarity and again higher the costs.
To top it all off, Cryptic does not value existing items. They just replace them in short order with more powerful variations, or worse, the item as a whole gets nerfed or falls off the meta altogether.
SWTOR seems to be doing things exceptionally well, with huge player numbers to reflect that, and the fleetmates I played with mostly left for that, rightfully so. I'm trying to explore that too despite having zero interest in SW IP.
Never could figure out why it took sooo long to update.
Shinies make up and tie into part of the gameplay. My concern with STO is the online multiplayer gameplay problems that will clearly never be addressed, not the endless shinies and rewards. I only play STO in 'maintenance mode' now, essentially minimal grind.
Wouldn't be guaranteed even then. Welcome to a poor version of Las Vegas. The actual odds, I believe, have been determined to be more like 200:1. But contrary to some people's belief, you would have to beat those odds on each roll of th......... opening of the box. Depending on your luck, you could get the big prize on the first try, or potentially never get one, no matter how many keys you buy and use.
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