suggestion - zen ships

kuruptmistwalker · May 2020

why doesnt cryptic make more zen ships instead of these over priced under chanced promo ships ...... i believe they'd make more money by giving everyone a chance to own the ships and not just those who are stupid rich in-game please cryptic get smart and sell them as zen ships even if they where double the normal price as standard / reguelar price during sales many people wont get ships like the dsc connie or the freedom class frigate simply because they have little chance and are dumb high prices on the exchange ..... why not make it fair to everyone?

leemwatson · May 2020

somtaawkhar wrote: »

Cryptic puts out Zen ships on a fairly frequent basis.

Also, we know CBS has given Cryptic rules about the "rarity" of ships. CBS originally didn't want players having ANY enemy faction ships at all, since Starfleet officers wouldn't be flying around in something like a Voth ship to begin with. But they were open to having them in non-direct means like lockboxes since those ships aren't directly available to players. R&D ships are for ships there is only supposed to be one of, like the Jellyfish or Franklin, or enemy dreds, or something like the T6 Connie which cryptic fought with CBS for years to get into the game.

As it stands, the pattern of how ships are typically released is
-Leveling ships from the ship vendor, and Zen store ships, are ships that each faction would normally have access to as part of canon/logic. Things like the Galaxy, Defiant, Intrepid, Orion ships, etc. etc.
-Event and lockbox ships are ships that players normally wouldn't be able to fly. Be they enemy faction ships like Voth or Undine ships, or ships like Risian Corvettes that aren't "war ships", and thus aren't thing a Starfleet Officer would be flying around in normal duty.
-R&D Promo ships are super rare ships there should only be one of(Jellyfish, Franklin, Annorax, enemy dreadnoughts, and the T6 Connies which CBS has been ultra protective over since the game came out.

Precisely!

Simply put, if it's appropriate for the Faction you're playing and the 2409 Era, it usually goes in C-Store; if it's not it's usually a lockbox.

The Connie is more complex due to different parties owning rights to the different screen versions, hence why CBS was against an endgame version in the first place. Even the DSC Connie designed by CBS apparently HAD to be different by '25%' of the original TOS version for legal reasons.

spiritborn · May 2020

somtaawkhar wrote: »

leemwatson wrote: »

The Connie is more complex due to different parties owning rights to the different screen versions, hence why CBS was against an endgame version in the first place. Even the DSC Connie designed by CBS apparently HAD to be different by '25%' of the original TOS version for legal reasons.

This is incorrect. The idea that there was some sort of legal mandate to make it 25% different has been disproved many times. Things in Discovery are 25% different due to an internal artistic choice.

Hell the very idea that things have to be 25% different has issues as a concept I never hear in what way it should be 25% different, so it could be mean anything from "practically identical" to "unrecognizeble".

Also in regards to those rules there's other limitations as well for example you'll never have a romulan D-7 since the D-7 is an iconic klingon ship and IIRC CBS vetoed using iconic ships from one player faction on another player faction (so the NPC romulan faction can and does have D7s but players will never have or so I understood it).

ltminns · May 2020

These were the guys that disproved it.

https://youtu.be/_HvGven4qJ0

kuruptmistwalker · May 2020

then why is it that they DID release the dsc connie in the Zen ledgendary pack .... yet they cant do that as a NORMAL thing for the these promo ships i personally think they'd sell more if they did and it would be fair to all players ..... btw i dont even know why you started on the topic of other factions ships when i never mentioned anything about another factions ships but while on that topic ..... any faction can fly the romulan ships so your statement is invalid anyway

annemarie30 · May 2020

leemwatson wrote: »

somtaawkhar wrote: »

Cryptic puts out Zen ships on a fairly frequent basis.

Also, we know CBS has given Cryptic rules about the "rarity" of ships. CBS originally didn't want players having ANY enemy faction ships at all, since Starfleet officers wouldn't be flying around in something like a Voth ship to begin with. But they were open to having them in non-direct means like lockboxes since those ships aren't directly available to players. R&D ships are for ships there is only supposed to be one of, like the Jellyfish or Franklin, or enemy dreds, or something like the T6 Connie which cryptic fought with CBS for years to get into the game.

As it stands, the pattern of how ships are typically released is
-Leveling ships from the ship vendor, and Zen store ships, are ships that each faction would normally have access to as part of canon/logic. Things like the Galaxy, Defiant, Intrepid, Orion ships, etc. etc.
-Event and lockbox ships are ships that players normally wouldn't be able to fly. Be they enemy faction ships like Voth or Undine ships, or ships like Risian Corvettes that aren't "war ships", and thus aren't thing a Starfleet Officer would be flying around in normal duty.
-R&D Promo ships are super rare ships there should only be one of(Jellyfish, Franklin, Annorax, enemy dreadnoughts, and the T6 Connies which CBS has been ultra protective over since the game came out.

Precisely!

Simply put, if it's appropriate for the Faction you're playing and the 2409 Era, it usually goes in C-Store; if it's not it's usually a lockbox.

The Connie is more complex due to different parties owning rights to the different screen versions, hence why CBS was against an endgame version in the first place. Even the DSC Connie designed by CBS apparently HAD to be different by '25%' of the original TOS version for legal reasons.

that's kinda funny. I saw a documentary on Galaxy Quest when they were talking about the ship. The studio was deathly afraid of being sued, so the designers gave it the hull number NTE-3210... NTE= Not The Enterprise.

Thank you for indulging the detour. back to your regularly scheduled topic.

phoenixc · May 2020

somtaawkhar wrote: »

leemwatson wrote: »

The Connie is more complex due to different parties owning rights to the different screen versions, hence why CBS was against an endgame version in the first place. Even the DSC Connie designed by CBS apparently HAD to be different by '25%' of the original TOS version for legal reasons.

This is incorrect. The idea that there was some sort of legal mandate to make it 25% different has been disproved many times. Things in Discovery are 25% different due to an internal artistic choice.

It is not a "mandate", it is a belt-and-suspenders move that is very common in Hollywood with all the spurious litigation that happens there. For example, technically the pre-split Paramount could have freely used the FASA ships in the show because the wording of the license the game was done under meant that in essence both parties owned the designs. However, Paramount was too hesitant to put that to the test so the only FASA ship they used was the Orion Wanderer light cruiser, and even then they only used it as a wireframe display and did not show the ship itself as a model.

It was an interesting way to underscore the straits the Alliance was in, that the Federation had apparently been desperate enough to buy ships (or at least one ship anyway) from the Orions during the mad scramble to build up the fleet during the Dominion war, and it is a shame that only the fans who were also gamers were in a position to pick up on that fact with all the pussyfooting Paramount did.

Also, I suspect that in the case of the DSC Constitution and D7 the 25% rule was used more as an excuse to change things without setting off the fans again than an actual fear of lawsuits.

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