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When will you give us some updated T6 Birds of Prey

malebissemalebisse Member Posts: 86 Arc User
I loved my Ki'Tang / Ch'Tang and Ning'Tao BOPs back in the day, 10 years ago. Will you ever give us T6 versions of these ships with with more weapons, five bridge officer positions, and appropriate number of console slots? I would love to be able to fly one of them again.
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    their klingon ships and not very well liked class... so probably not anytime soon if ever.

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  • fallenkezef#4581 fallenkezef Member Posts: 644 Arc User
    I'd settle for a K'vort cruiser version
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    I'd love a K'Vort that is similar to the Morrigu in layout. Also a Legendary B'rel with Pilot Maneuvers would be nice too.
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  • trillbuffettrillbuffet Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    nightken wrote: »
    their klingon ships and not very well liked class... so probably not anytime soon if ever.

    That isn't quite truthful being that bird of prey ships are the very staple of the KDF. The problem however is they haven't figured out a paywall that will work with a bop but the D7 they've done okay with it but still most KDF players don't want a paywall and want ships that all their characters can use.

    They have used the excuse that in the various series the k'vort is too large but with a whole decade of advancements to the game they could make it work if they really wanted to but they do not want to is the main problem. The hegh'ta is a classic example because its always been a T4 ship and they have never made anything except that one model for players to use but so many different updated ones for npc ships. It was extremely lucky we even got the Kor pilot version and if it wasn't for discovery those completely ugly looking things would have never made it into the game and discovery is so bad with them that they had to give them battle cloaks just to be able to sell them. Although even I have to draw a line at a flying toilet brush like that temporal battlecruiser lol. Would be nice if they had alternate Cryptic looking pieces for the ship because I will admit the mogh, vor'ral, negh'tev, etc all their versions of classic star trek klingon ships are way better looking.

    If anything though they could take the k'vort and make it the heavy bop we never got but make it very cool at the same time. It would be a little bit more sluggish than other bops but make it have the first KDF multi vector that when separated has 2 wing men like the jem hadar have with vanguard dominion ships. Which a different b'rel t6 would be cool too and make the first 360 degree omni like torpedoes that take the place of the aft weapon slots,
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,660 Arc User
    Would be nice if they had alternate Cryptic looking pieces for the ship because I will admit the mogh, vor'ral, negh'tev, etc all their versions of classic star trek klingon ships are way better looking.

    That I agree with 100% -- Cryptic has done some great canon and original Klingon designs and could do it again, but the recent ships can only use the skins I hate with the blazing fury of a thousand suns ;)
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    I would like that. Tier 6 upgrades of the Tier 2 to Tier 5 BoPs are sorely missing, as is an upgrade to the Vo'Quv.

    As much as I actually enjoyed Discovery, I am not a big fan of its ship designs. Some are okay, but really the biggest problem is that they are only one single costume. That's boring. If we could have the same number of Klingon ships, but all of them being upgrades to lower Tier KDF ships, I would have gotten a lot more out of them.

    But even that wouldn't get us a model update to existing canon KDF ships. The D7 and K'Tinga really need one. I really love the TMP/Undiscovered Country Klingon ship, but the current model is disappointing.
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  • warmonger360warmonger360 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    Would be nice if they had alternate Cryptic looking pieces for the ship because I will admit the mogh, vor'ral, negh'tev, etc all their versions of classic star trek klingon ships are way better looking.

    That I agree with 100% -- Cryptic has done some great canon and original Klingon designs and could do it again, but the recent ships can only use the skins I hate with the blazing fury of a thousand suns ;)

    I wouldn't go that far. there's still much that is lacking and should be dealt with
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,694 Arc User
    edited March 2020
    How many Kor class BOPs do you see flying around?
    that's the answer as to why you do not see other BoPs. and the Kor is a submarine IIRC with the enhanced battle cloak

    now that said... a K'vort MW FDC or strike wing or whatever they are calling flight deck cruisers....
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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    Birds of Prey with their in-game gameplay design of enhanced/battle cloaks, raider flanking, and semi/universal Boff seating are uniquely Klingon.

    I don't think anyone has the information of how well they sell other than the lower player count for KDF and KDF-aligned.

    If the game is to expand in a tiny bit from a gameplay perspective, then more T6 account-wide BoP really should be released, and my Zen is waiting for more so long as they are classic Klingon and not disco styled.
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    Birds of Prey with their in-game gameplay design of enhanced/battle cloaks, raider flanking, and semi/universal Boff seating are uniquely Klingon.

    I don't think anyone has the information of how well they sell other than the lower player count for KDF and KDF-aligned.

    If the game is to expand in a tiny bit from a gameplay perspective, then more T6 account-wide BoP really should be released, and my Zen is waiting for more so long as they are classic Klingon and not disco styled.


    they do, the Ouroboros is a cross faction bird of prey in all but name. even has the - 1 boff slot for all universal trade.

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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    I own the Kor and like it. And I have the M'Chla and like it, too. Pilot maneuvers makes everything fun. But I am not doing any TFO stuff.

    I would buy a T-6 Kamarag and any new T-6 BoP because I want ALL my Klingon characters to fly different BoP (and the Kamarag because I like that Eng/Sci combo in the Anniversary version).
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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    The feds of course get access to anything unique elsewhere, but that doesn't change the original game design where KDF specializes in that, as well as more DHC access and built-in cloaks. There's also the Na'kuhl Tadaari raider that's cross-faction.

    If a faction has something unique by original design, it would be nice to have a bit more selection in that category.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited March 2020
    DSC's Klingon ships are (mostly) terrible Klingon ships, but can be used very easily as generic alien ships if you wanted to roll an Alien and homebrew a species. Some even look passable as existing species' ships with a little creativity. I've considered picking up the Batlh Intel Sci vessel as I think it's perfectly passable as an Orion ship, and the Sech Strike Wing Escort with the Fek'Ihri shield looks almost like it belongs alongside the S'torr and Fe'rang.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,577 Community Moderator
    where2r1 wrote: »
    I own the Kor and like it. And I have the M'Chla and like it, too. Pilot maneuvers makes everything fun. But I am not doing any TFO stuff.

    I would buy a T-6 Kamarag and any new T-6 BoP because I want ALL my Klingon characters to fly different BoP (and the Kamarag because I like that Eng/Sci combo in the Anniversary version).

    I'd love a T6 Kamarag as well. Also I'd love to get a T6 Ki'tang. I already have the Mirror one, and honestly I kinda like the mirror skins and use them on my KDF ships when I can.

    Right now though my KDF is maining a Kelvin D7, sometimes bouncing between that and my Blackguard or Sarco depending on my mood. I'd love to get my hands on a Discovery D7 someday. Fly that with my Elite Slavers... MUA HAHAHA much pillaging will be had. The Miracle Worker ship almost became a main and was competing with my Fleet Vor'ral.
    Only Discovery Klingon ship I don't have right now is the Cleave. Wouldn't mind getting that sometime. Fly around, maybe mount Vaadwaur or Kelvin emitters, listening to Pirates of the Carribbean or something as I broadside something like a Galleon. lol

    BTW my KDF is an Orion ;) I may main Fed, but every once in a while I gotta get my Pirate hat. Elite Slavers help with some pillaging.
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  • captainbrian11captainbrian11 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    I've been suggesting they should put out a T6 "legendary" bird of prey. make it cross faction, call it the "Bounty class alliance Bird of prey" and give it a optional federation styled skin, toss it out and I bet it'd sell REALLY well.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    Whoo Hoo! I finally used the 5 Master Keys from Cryptic's Anniversary give away... opened some Infinity boxes and found myself an T-6 Ship prize pack. :)

    Finally gonna have the Kelvin Timeline D4x Pilot BoP...and going to give it to my Klingon Tactical officer. She and her crew is already outfitted with the "Kelvin Timeline Klingon Regalia"... now, they have the BoP to go with it. :) She had to wait 3 years? 4 years? LOL!
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    How many Kor class BOPs do you see flying around?
    that's the answer as to why you do not see other BoPs. and the Kor is a submarine IIRC with the enhanced battle cloak

    now that said... a K'vort MW FDC or strike wing or whatever they are calling flight deck cruisers....
    Yeah Kor is certainly not a bad ship. What's that? you don't want to fly a moving target? Why do you want to fly a BoP then?
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  • captainbrian11captainbrian11 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    If I was going to make a K'vort I'd make it a Light Battle cruiser like the Kurak/Mogh but give it a commander pilot station. A "Pilot Battlecruiser" would INSTANTLY stand out and proably be VERY popular.
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    Would be nice if they had alternate Cryptic looking pieces for the ship because I will admit the mogh, vor'ral, negh'tev, etc all their versions of classic star trek klingon ships are way better looking.

    That I agree with 100% -- Cryptic has done some great canon and original Klingon designs and could do it again, but the recent ships can only use the skins I hate with the blazing fury of a thousand suns ;)

    Well, now then can sell us the same ships but with 2410 skins again!!.. everybody wins!, well... not everybody.. :lol:
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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    I used to fly the Kor, but I find that with the level cap raised to 65, the thing is just far too fragile. NPC torpedo spread scaling has far outpaced the Kor's ability to survive them reliably. And because hull increases on consoles and other things are all % based, there isn't a lot you can do. I had no choice but to retire mine because I just couldn't make it work.
  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,015 Arc User
    An Alliance Bird of Prey would be nice.
    Make as tough as the Defiant but with the speed and manoeuvrability of the BoP
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    • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
      on the K'vort I want a MW scout ship two pack with it and the nova, it gives both ship lines a much needed buff, and MW is op enough some people may buy it for that alone. and it saves a full pilot b'rel for the, probably never going to happen but in case it does, non fed legendary pack.
      I used to fly the Kor, but I find that with the level cap raised to 65, the thing is just far too fragile. NPC torpedo spread scaling has far outpaced the Kor's ability to survive them reliably. And because hull increases on consoles and other things are all % based, there isn't a lot you can do. I had no choice but to retire mine because I just couldn't make it work.

      really? I because I've been messing around with mine the past few days and haven't had that problem.


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    • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
      I used to fly the Kor, but I find that with the level cap raised to 65, the thing is just far too fragile. NPC torpedo spread scaling has far outpaced the Kor's ability to survive them reliably. And because hull increases on consoles and other things are all % based, there isn't a lot you can do. I had no choice but to retire mine because I just couldn't make it work.

      Hull shouldn't be a problem whatsoever, but that 0.88 shield mod can be a bit challenging against torpedo spreads, and KDF thrive on challenge and battle.

      Here's some suggestions: shields work wonders against torpedoes because of their innate torpedo dmg resistances. Whatever portion of incoming damage a shield is able to absorb, it will along with those resistances, and if there is a remaining portion it cannot, that facing will drop and your hull dmg res will have to absorb the remainder. There's also bleedthrough that your hull always has to absorb. Resilient shields minimize the bleedthrough, which is inevitable from high burst damage torp spreads, and remains important.

      Suddenly losing a shield facing is very bad. Make use of BoP's super high turn rate to expose the other shield facings, and then redistribute shields or focus shields wherever you anticipate damage.

      Shields get obliterated really easily. Capacity, restoration, shield hardness all help with that, obtainable from a number of consoles (fleet K13 consoles, Voth Power Subcore, etc.), but so does shield subsystem power and shield regeneration values in spec points. I underestimated just how powerful 2/3 shield regen points (innate shield healing) really are especially when combined with high shield subsystem power, and have spent countless hours testing various aspects of shielding and the spec system very recently to determine this.

      Shield overload starship trait is excellent paired with EP2shields, and transfers over to KDF once unlocked fed side.

      Both pilot and intel spec systems have very effective shield boosts.

      It is possible to cloak with your shields up, somewhat, if you have Emergency Response Teams starship trait from the Vulcan T'Pau Scout ship. Obviously this help when cloaking to retreat, heal, and wait on cooldowns.

      Kinetic & Physical damage resistances of hull can be stacked well from inexpensive R&D consoles and obviously are a must against such bursts of damage.

      Keep high defense rating by flying fast and finding sources of defense rating, which causes more 'Miss' indicators keeping shields and hull ready for the big unavoidable damage bursts. Anticipate damage and keep Evasive Maneuvers on low cooldown.

      Keybind all dmg immunity and healing abilities and spam them when taking damage.

      Use focused assaults like Cannon Rapid Fire to prevent drawing too much threat from too many sources. Go in and out of firing range - you are fast for a reason.

      Use decoys to draw aggro for you. Any simple friendly NPC can soak up huge damage for you even if they vanish after.

      No reason to shelve a top of the line BoP unless that playstyle just really does not suit you. No comment on elite TFOs though, but I regularly fly elite Patrols solo and with others in all types of ships to level them and for fun and haven't really had a problem except in a few ships that are just bad by design like Atrox.
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    • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
      I had no choice but to retire mine because I just couldn't make it work.

      same thing for me, but i'm going to try again, i'm tired to fly the pilot raptor t6, and i miss the moving wings animation :p . Cryptic made some nice designs for the lower levels BOP, I would like to be able to use these designs with my BOP.

      I use also the discovery klink ships for my alien toons, there are perfect for them.
    • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
      nightken wrote: »
      on the K'vort I want a MW scout ship two pack with it and the nova, it gives both ship lines a much needed buff, and MW is op enough some people may buy it for that alone. and it saves a full pilot b'rel for the, probably never going to happen but in case it does, non fed legendary pack.
      I used to fly the Kor, but I find that with the level cap raised to 65, the thing is just far too fragile. NPC torpedo spread scaling has far outpaced the Kor's ability to survive them reliably. And because hull increases on consoles and other things are all % based, there isn't a lot you can do. I had no choice but to retire mine because I just couldn't make it work.

      really? I because I've been messing around with mine the past few days and haven't had that problem.
      Yeah Kor is the T6 ship that has the "Withering Barrage" trait.
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    • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
      With Picard, be careful about wishing for new Birds of Prey, you might get a Romu.., nah, they don't do them any more. ;)
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    • captainbrian11captainbrian11 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
      there actually is a neat romulan ship we saw breifly in episode 4 or so I'd love to get
    • bcstarbcstar Member Posts: 335 Arc User
      edited March 2020
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      This is the only KDF T6 I want to fly, thankfully its in the starter bundle!!!! :)
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