I sent a support message in because I wondered if it was possible to purchase something from the zen store to change a character's gender. They replied with this: (private correspondence removed) - darkbladejk
So here it goes, I have added 2 tokens that I would like to see added to the zen store for players who want to change their gender or class.
You can purchase a rename token in the zen store to change your character's name.
You can purchase a retrain token in the zen store to retrain your character.
I would like to see a gender change token in the zen store to change your character's gender/race
and
a class retrain token to change your character's class from Tactical, Science, Engineering to a different one.
I think that these two tokens, if added, would allow players who started out as a a different race, change to a new race and gender of their choice, And also allow people who started as one class, change to a different class.
Gender I could see as a possibility here. Race, not so much. To much of a code swap with racial traits and all to deal with there, which falls in the Legacy code area.
Gender I could see as a possibility here. Race, not so much. To much of a code swap with racial traits and all to deal with there, which falls in the Legacy code area.
Changing the class would probably not work for much the same reason.
Gender: Only issue I see is gender-specific uniform and bathing suit options, but they could just erase all created costumes from a character when the gender is changed.
Race: More difficult, not only are there race-specific uniform options but there are also race-specific traits as well. Not impossible, but a lot more work for the coders so less likely imo.
Class: This would be the most difficult to make work, and I don't think it's likely to ever happen.
I'm pretty sure this would be a 'no' on all counts as all these are hard-baked to the slot. It's far easier just to make a new character. I'm sure it's far too late in the game's life (after 10 years, I'm sure the game still has plenty of legs left) to be wasting Dev time on this.
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If lockbox, lobi, and promobox items were either transferable between characters or account unlocked I'm sure people would be fine with doing just that. Since they currently are not though this topic will continue to come up from time to time.
When player restarts character it takes player to character creation screen.
Player chooses name, gender, race, class, etc., etc..., just like they are starting a new character.
When player reenters the game their new character will remain the same level and all skill points will be available.
Player can then put skill points where they want, change uniform, and build their new character.
Everyday, people go to college to get training in a different field. Maybe they are computer techs but they want to go into law enforcement instead. I'm sure that, even in the 23rd century, people could and would change from Tactical to Science or Engineering, or vice versa. Sure, you would lose the race specific uniforms but not because of the game. you would loose them because you chose a different race yourself.
Maybe the uniforms could be account based instead of character based. Maybe the only way that would happen is if you spent the zen to change your character and it automatically unlocked the uniforms across the account instead. I don't know the specifics, this is just an idea. I quit playing years ago because I got sick and tired of looking at my Borg infected male character and I didn't want to have to start over and create a new character.
It has been asked in the past ever since this game launched. Unless they found a way to edit the code written in the game devs always ignore these requests. Wonder why it's not one of the F.C.T ? It does gets questioned once in a while.
Pretty sure the devs have said this won't happen as too much of your character is hard coded in those choices.
I know they've said it, but I find it hard to believe as considering the sheer amount of code neverwinter borrows from STO while being able to have race change in it, I'm sure the devs would be able to do it if they really tried. (Though they seem to not care much about anything that's not on their roadmap. It took them years to make the TRIBBLE cards autoclaim when they had mentioned it a few times)
And bubblegirl, its not asked about a crazy about like F.C.Ts are. It does pop up every once in a while, but just because the devs ignore like 99% of requests doesn't mean we should not be allowed to request things ever.
I would love a race change token. My Liberated Borg (LB) toons never feel borgish to me with the "bonuses" they get. I could not make them Romulan when the game launched and the LB held the promise of being an excellent option. Now with the new races in the game it would be nice to have the option to pick another one.
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Neverwinter came out after so they'd have been able to preempt requests to change race.
Also bear in mind that the engine for sto feels like its held together with knicker elastic and sticky tape due to its age and stuff that's been crowbarred into it so something that might seem simple probably isn't. Neverwinter team will have had the chance to shore it up before putting a game into it.
Considering that it would, without a doubt, be one of the best selling items there might be a good reason why the devs have not added this.
The fact that many of the features are hard-coded may have something to do with that.
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It has been asked in the past ever since this game launched. Unless they found a way to edit the code written in the game devs always ignore these requests. Wonder why it's not one of the F.C.T ? It does gets questioned once in a while.
Hmm what you mean "unless they found a way to edit the code written to the game"? Since every bug fix we've gotten is edits to pre-existing code they obviously have the capability, nor is it probably about caring either, but rather how much work would it be to compared to the returns they would get from it, in case of something like a race/gender change it might involve a ground up rebuild of the code for the characters something that would be a major undertaking.
At one time, it wasn't such a big deal starting a new character.
NOW... it is insane how many bars one has to fill. From Ship Traits to Endeavors to Reputation... etc. etc.
Not sure HOW it can be accomplished (with the programming)... but I see the appeal.
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Adding the ability to change gender/race/class/whatever from the beginning when a game is first created is easy. It gets a whole lot harder after 10 years of other work is built on the assumption that those things would never change.
Adding the ability to change gender/race/class/whatever from the beginning when a game is first created is easy. It gets a whole lot harder after 10 years of other work is built on the assumption that those things would never change.
Indeed what makes changing those hard is probably not the code determining the gender or race, but making the systems dependent on those values being constant not do something stupid if changed that to be a variable instead.
The thing to remember about software is that they'll do exactly things exactly how you tell them to the letter and are utterly incapable of knowing how things are "suppose to be" so if you do something stupid like use a variable as a constant either the code will end up doing something really stupid or just won't work.
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Changing the class would probably not work for much the same reason.
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Race: More difficult, not only are there race-specific uniform options but there are also race-specific traits as well. Not impossible, but a lot more work for the coders so less likely imo.
Class: This would be the most difficult to make work, and I don't think it's likely to ever happen.
If lockbox, lobi, and promobox items were either transferable between characters or account unlocked I'm sure people would be fine with doing just that. Since they currently are not though this topic will continue to come up from time to time.
Character Reset Token:
Zen Cost = Retrain Token cost + Rename Token cost + Reset Token cost
What it does:
Everyday, people go to college to get training in a different field. Maybe they are computer techs but they want to go into law enforcement instead. I'm sure that, even in the 23rd century, people could and would change from Tactical to Science or Engineering, or vice versa. Sure, you would lose the race specific uniforms but not because of the game. you would loose them because you chose a different race yourself.
Maybe the uniforms could be account based instead of character based. Maybe the only way that would happen is if you spent the zen to change your character and it automatically unlocked the uniforms across the account instead. I don't know the specifics, this is just an idea. I quit playing years ago because I got sick and tired of looking at my Borg infected male character and I didn't want to have to start over and create a new character.
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I know they've said it, but I find it hard to believe as considering the sheer amount of code neverwinter borrows from STO while being able to have race change in it, I'm sure the devs would be able to do it if they really tried. (Though they seem to not care much about anything that's not on their roadmap. It took them years to make the TRIBBLE cards autoclaim when they had mentioned it a few times)
And bubblegirl, its not asked about a crazy about like F.C.Ts are. It does pop up every once in a while, but just because the devs ignore like 99% of requests doesn't mean we should not be allowed to request things ever.
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Also bear in mind that the engine for sto feels like its held together with knicker elastic and sticky tape due to its age and stuff that's been crowbarred into it so something that might seem simple probably isn't. Neverwinter team will have had the chance to shore it up before putting a game into it.
The fact that many of the features are hard-coded may have something to do with that.
Hmm what you mean "unless they found a way to edit the code written to the game"? Since every bug fix we've gotten is edits to pre-existing code they obviously have the capability, nor is it probably about caring either, but rather how much work would it be to compared to the returns they would get from it, in case of something like a race/gender change it might involve a ground up rebuild of the code for the characters something that would be a major undertaking.
NOW... it is insane how many bars one has to fill. From Ship Traits to Endeavors to Reputation... etc. etc.
Not sure HOW it can be accomplished (with the programming)... but I see the appeal.
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The thing to remember about software is that they'll do exactly things exactly how you tell them to the letter and are utterly incapable of knowing how things are "suppose to be" so if you do something stupid like use a variable as a constant either the code will end up doing something really stupid or just won't work.