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Thoughts on the Disco-Era orange capped nacelles?
shadowkain666
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First things first: Hector Ortiz, you're an amazing designer.
Having recently bought the Buran/Cardenas, I found that I actually preferred the look of the 2410 redesign over the 23c variant (though both are positively gorgeous). Unfortunately, there is one glaring, visually painful design choice that I just can't stand and it's those outrageous glowing orange caps on the 2410 nacelles.
Taking a look at the other Disco ships, it seems this is a design element shared by each of them and in every single case I think it ruins otherwise amazingly detailed, well-designed ships. It just throws everything off, having these bright, orange-glowing caps on the nacelles that make the ship look like a plastic child's toy.
As a result, I've had to consign myself to a kitbash using the 23c nacelles on the U.S.S. Triskelion, and while the 23c nacelles don't look bad, I would definitely prefer using the full "proper" 2410 set. When at the ship tailor, when changing nacelles, the 2410 variant actually initially loads in without those orange caps and I have to say.. it makes them look substantially better in my opinion.
A genuine question/request - how difficult would it be to add an uncapped nacelle variant?
Lastly, what are everyone else's thoughts? I'm interested to know if I'm taking crazy pills or if there are other people who share the same opinion.
Having recently bought the Buran/Cardenas, I found that I actually preferred the look of the 2410 redesign over the 23c variant (though both are positively gorgeous). Unfortunately, there is one glaring, visually painful design choice that I just can't stand and it's those outrageous glowing orange caps on the 2410 nacelles.
Taking a look at the other Disco ships, it seems this is a design element shared by each of them and in every single case I think it ruins otherwise amazingly detailed, well-designed ships. It just throws everything off, having these bright, orange-glowing caps on the nacelles that make the ship look like a plastic child's toy.
As a result, I've had to consign myself to a kitbash using the 23c nacelles on the U.S.S. Triskelion, and while the 23c nacelles don't look bad, I would definitely prefer using the full "proper" 2410 set. When at the ship tailor, when changing nacelles, the 2410 variant actually initially loads in without those orange caps and I have to say.. it makes them look substantially better in my opinion.
A genuine question/request - how difficult would it be to add an uncapped nacelle variant?
Lastly, what are everyone else's thoughts? I'm interested to know if I'm taking crazy pills or if there are other people who share the same opinion.
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Unfortunately the various shield visuals and hull materials do not remove or change the orange nacelle caps. They stay orange regardless of visuals.
Sadly that's a big part of the problem. The various visuals have no effect on them. It's not that they're orange that's the issue, really. Rather that they're a glaringly bright orange and they look like very poorly designed caps. On otherwise amazingly detailed ships they look.. odd. Almost like they were thrown on as a last second design element to make the "weird square nacelles" look more like the standard design we're all used to.
But, that's all subjective. I definitely don't want them removed from the game, as I am sure there are people who like them just the way they are; I'd just like an optional variant where they aren't there for those of us that don't.
I actually really liked the Yard 39 lore blog, and was excited at the way they managed to give us a reason for potentially seeing alternative warp nacelle designs. A cache of alternate warp engine designs by a "rival" manufacturer, and the ability to experiment with them? That sounded neat and a clever way to introduce the "new" looks.
Seeing the look of the 2410 nacelles in the ship tailor before the orange caps pop in, the unconventional square design and nacelle look is more far more interesting to me than a sloppy bright orange cap over the whole thing. It's another reason why I think the caps were a last minute design choice, because there's actually a lot of detailed design work underneath there that we otherwise don't get to see.
I believe you are correct. I've got the Omega Vanity Shield on my Fleet New Orleans and the ramscoops turned a bluish color.
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On regular nacelles, yes. On the 2410 Discovery-Era designs, no.
The 2410 Disco-Era ramscoops are completely unaffected by shield visuals, nacelle visuals, etc.
The reason, I suspect, is that the orange caps were a last minute design addition using non-standard assets that aren't linked to/affected by ship visuals.
Correct. My theory for why this is the case is in my post just before this one.
They're no where near as bad as the ones on the C-store Intel T6 Sovvy. They're horrendous.....in fact the complete nacelle design is as if it was Manga style.
Even shields that normally change the color, do not do so on ships like the Gagarin or Buran.
While I personally like the Orange.. some customization ability would be a nice touch.
Pretty much why I like it so much ^_^
This.
The default nacelles on the T6 Sovvy are so horrendously out of proportion they look like they ought to belong to a different ship entirely.
Which is precisely the problem with the 2410 Discovery Nacelles. It's not that the design is bad - the design is actually really good. The implementation is bad. The Intel Sovereign at least has the benefit of nacelles that appear and function as a properly "complete" design, whereas the 2410 Disco nacelle caps seem rushed, like they're a shoddy patch job.
I don't think that you can say that they are rushed considering that the nacelle caps are on the other Discovery ships that have a 2410 variant. When they did the livestream showing off the gagarin and the shran, @AmbassadorKael mentions that they loved those nacelle caps
Didn't say they are. Said "they seem" which admits subjective perspective.
Context is important.
I've also already clearly pointed out that most of us here have varying opinions on these and other designs and that's perfectly fine. I think anyone who takes the time to read what I have written can see I'm not the kind of person that's interested in bashing other people's preferences to support my own. Only that I would like the option present where the caps are removed.
Your post comes off as little more than word-twisting to defend someone else against an attack that never happened. I ask that you try to remain objective.
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Another thing I wanted to mention is that I think it is fairly likely that the orange caps were a last minute addition judging by their odd appearance in comparison to the rest of the ships and their complete separation from all ship visuals (as if they were never implemented properly).
If this turned out to be the case, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Kael knew, and thus preemptively put forward the statement that he/they liked them in an attempt to guide the course of conversation, due to his intimate familiarity with how viciously toxic this community can be. Many here tend to immediately trash alternative opinions, many others immediately adopt a defensive stance against alternative opinions. Very few seem able to argue for/advocate for (or at least understand) both sides as I try hard to.
Hm... I wonder...
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I can confirm that the nacelle caps on the temporal ships are not affected by ship visuals. The "light" inside the cap does change with the visuals, but the red caps do not.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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They are animated, but it's really hard to see. If you zoom way in you can see the gas moving around inside the collector.. it's incredibly subtle and I would bet most people haven't even noticed it. Still, it's probably why they can't be altered.
That's what I thought. I'm sure there was a Reddit post to this effect when the Nimitz/Europa was released and a Dev commented on a post about a nacelle bug.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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After all, the more options the better, at least IMO...
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