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Changing the past storyline, it's getting more and more confusing.
snowwolf
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So I tried to play the new Gamma Quadrant missions but didn't understand much of the dialoge given. After some brief research and the dialoge given by Bashir. They changed the Klingon War arc missions. Again.
They've also changed other missions.
So far.. La Forge has been put in the Klingon War arc, but he's been there for a while. Garak and Weyon has been put into the Cardassian Struggle arc.. Garak, Quark, Rom, Leeta and Kira has also been put into the Dyson sphere's and appear in the New Romulus embassy.
And now Bashir has been put into the Klingon War arc.
Now don't get me wrong, I love having voice actors and I love seeing the characters in the game. But constantly changing past content and making small re-writes makes it difficult to get immersed in the story telling that Star Trek Online provides.
I can't even "complete" the game before the storyline has had small changes.
Star Trek Online used to always claim that each time playing the game was "Like your very own Star Trek Episode."
Well imagine if this was on TV? Okay, so we just finished Season 1.. Now let's watch Season 2. Oh wait, this doesn't make any sense.. Oh yeah.. They changed Season 1. *Facedesk*
It would be better to make more newer missions and area's where the new characters can appear, instead of re-writting and forcing them into past episodes. It ruins the storyline that players have to go back to replay missions they've already completed now with a tad different tone to them.
It makes zero sense from a story-telling perspective.
You cannot tell a story from Point A to B to C.. Then go back and change A so it fits better with C, it makes ZERO sense.
Small changes and additions are fine, but seriously..
They've also changed other missions.
So far.. La Forge has been put in the Klingon War arc, but he's been there for a while. Garak and Weyon has been put into the Cardassian Struggle arc.. Garak, Quark, Rom, Leeta and Kira has also been put into the Dyson sphere's and appear in the New Romulus embassy.
And now Bashir has been put into the Klingon War arc.
Now don't get me wrong, I love having voice actors and I love seeing the characters in the game. But constantly changing past content and making small re-writes makes it difficult to get immersed in the story telling that Star Trek Online provides.
I can't even "complete" the game before the storyline has had small changes.
Star Trek Online used to always claim that each time playing the game was "Like your very own Star Trek Episode."
Well imagine if this was on TV? Okay, so we just finished Season 1.. Now let's watch Season 2. Oh wait, this doesn't make any sense.. Oh yeah.. They changed Season 1. *Facedesk*
It would be better to make more newer missions and area's where the new characters can appear, instead of re-writting and forcing them into past episodes. It ruins the storyline that players have to go back to replay missions they've already completed now with a tad different tone to them.
It makes zero sense from a story-telling perspective.
You cannot tell a story from Point A to B to C.. Then go back and change A so it fits better with C, it makes ZERO sense.
Small changes and additions are fine, but seriously..
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Bit up, bit down, but overall I think it's a neat thing to go back and do.
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But can't they at least provide a list of what they change? With a spoilers warning or something.. So we can go back and see the changes. Instead of just getting a brick wall of confusion in the new content.
That would be nice and something you would imagine fits in the realm of the patch notes...
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yes it makes the STO universe feel smaller... but hey it's what it is.
I thought Leia was hot first.
But this is exactly what those are. Small changes and additions that change basically nothing in the greater plot. It's like how George Lucas treated the original star wars trilogy, a few extra scenes here a bit more CGI there but it was still the same movie. Our "retcons" aren't the magnitude of "Greedo shot first", more like the extra guy in the jabba's palace singing performance.
And if you need a lore reason then blame temporal shenannigans. The timeline is a mess and it is getting screwed up constantly, so much that even our agents don't know how to "fix it" anymore.
Not into Rodians, eh?
Funny story, I tried to fix that typo and my original post got eaten.
Now it really looks like there are temporal shenanigans involved.
Actually, I asked about this in another thread on this forum, where the answer from Cryptic was basically: They couldn't do it originally because they couldn't afford union actors, Now they can, and so new players don't have to wait 50 levels to get their familiar Star Trek actors and characters, they are retroactively inserting them in the story.
I think that's great, and it's not as if this changes the story much.
Actually, that's exactly how union pay structure for voice actors works. They get a fixed fee "per session", and then additional pay per word/hour. So of course, if a session runs short, it's cheaper to add some extra phrases on the end than pay for an extra session to do them later, but this is enough text that they probably scheduled and budgeted for them way in advance.
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> So I tried to play the new Gamma Quadrant missions but didn't understand much of the dialoge given. After some brief research and the dialoge given by Bashir. They changed the Klingon War arc missions. Again.
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> They've also changed other missions.
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> So far.. La Forge has been put in the Klingon War arc, but he's been there for a while. Garak and Weyon has been put into the Cardassian Struggle arc.. Garak, Quark, Rom, Leeta and Kira has also been put into the Dyson sphere's and appear in the New Romulus embassy.
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> And now Bashir has been put into the Klingon War arc.
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> Now don't get me wrong, I love having voice actors and I love seeing the characters in the game. But constantly changing past content and making small re-writes makes it difficult to get immersed in the story telling that Star Trek Online provides.
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> I can't even "complete" the game before the storyline has had small changes.
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> Star Trek Online used to always claim that each time playing the game was "Like your very own Star Trek Episode."
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> Well imagine if this was on TV? Okay, so we just finished Season 1.. Now let's watch Season 2. Oh wait, this doesn't make any sense.. Oh yeah.. They changed Season 1. *Facedesk*
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> It would be better to make more newer missions and area's where the new characters can appear, instead of re-writting and forcing them into past episodes. It ruins the storyline that players have to go back to replay missions they've already completed now with a tad different tone to them.
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> It makes zero sense from a story-telling perspective.
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> You cannot tell a story from Point A to B to C.. Then go back and change A so it fits better with C, it makes ZERO sense.
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> Small changes and additions are fine, but seriously..
Thanks... I thought I was going senile for a moment.
Blame Temporal mechanics.
Devs ... go make an Undine war arc!!!!
Actually I totally agree on this one...In that arc, Kira should be Kai.
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Kira is still Kai in the Diplomatic side mission on DS9, where you aquire some piece of land.
I will admit though.. there were times when I was a little confused. Like when I first played Beyond the Nexus and Geordi says 'great to see you again.' That was a bit confusing.
I am cool with the changes, but yeah.. it would be nice if they would just list it when they have made a change so that we can all reconcile the storyline in our heads before going forward. The issue is minor, I just shrugged it off and went on with the episode, but it would help just for the sake of clarity.
I'll admit, that I'm ignorant on a lot of the Star Trek lore. Other than Drake being a spook, and making Klingons do a Benny Hill chase for him through the early part of the game(with no real resolution afterwards), why the hate? Other than pointing to google, is there a series that he's in, where he does a lot of really bad stuff? Without giving too many spoilers, of course.
Section 31 had a much bigger deal in the game before, there was even a mission that gave you a chose to "join" them. Even though the mission would pass anyway, all it did was give you a different ending hail.
You ran through a ship, killing Starfleet officers hidden as Undine or something.. Then it was revealed to be a huge Section 31 test.
Also a lot of other missions..
That was removed, but these missions with Drake were just.. Thrown into the Klingon War.
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Mission:_Suspect
Now, for, say, commercial voiceovers or announcements, the director might just keep asking you for different takes until the time runs out. That, as you can imagine, gets aggravating quite quickly. I think it's better to do it this way - I'm fairly sure the actors would rather be asked to recite more lines than be told, "Yeah, that was great! Perfect! Now do it again, but this time you're slightly constipated and getting over a bad cold."
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
He replaced the old Cardassian ambassador and he still wants Bajoran distillined kanar, the mission is the same. However it's the same as before, it's for his "mentor".. Not for himself.
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> He replaced the old Cardassian ambassador and he still wants Bajoran distillined kanar, the mission is the same. However it's the same as before, it's for his "mentor".. Not for himself.
Yeah, so instead of coming off nakedly racist, now it just comes off as tone-deaf, which is out of character for Garak. There's also still no retort for Bajoran toons, and I'm assuming not for Cardassian toons either.
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Regardless of that, some of the changes are for the better, some are for the worse. For instance, I love the character of Garak, but there's a lot of spots where he absolutely doesn't fit in the game.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
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