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Ship named after Admiral Ross (DS9's Barry Jenner)?

kingarthur81kingarthur81 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
edited April 2018 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
With the death of Barry Jenner (Admiral Ross) in 2016 and the forthcoming DS9-themed expansion, it might be fitting to have a new ship named after him - U.S.S. William J. Ross ?

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/William_Ross
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Barry_Jenner
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5
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    Usually you don't see ships named after officers who are still active. Naming a ship after admiral Ross would mean that they'd have to kill off the character and I don't think they're willing to do that.
  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    I doubt being dead is required, only that you prove worthy of such recognition. We have a USS Sitak that may have been named after the still-living Vulcan Admiral Sitak.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    I wouldn't want to see a USS Jenner and having a Cardassian captain if you know where that one is going. No offense to Barry, but i don't want his legacy in trek tained by those reality tv nobidies and their mother simply because people can make fun of the Cardassian name and fit it with Jenner.

    The USS Bill Ross would be a good name to have on a ship on STO.
    T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW.
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  • kingarthur81kingarthur81 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    Usually you don't see ships named after officers who are still active. Naming a ship after admiral Ross would mean that they'd have to kill off the character and I don't think they're willing to do that.

    In real life, ships are named after living people. I'm sure Starfleet would continue this tradition.
    The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush comes to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_living_Americans
  • kingarthur81kingarthur81 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    I wouldn't want to see a USS Jenner and having a Cardassian captain if you know where that one is going. No offense to Barry, but i don't want his legacy in trek tained by those reality tv nobidies and their mother simply because people can make fun of the Cardassian name and fit it with Jenner.

    The USS Bill Ross would be a good name to have on a ship on STO.

    I would name the ship either the USS Ross (Similar to the USS Kirk) or the USS William J. Ross
  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5
    fleetcaptain5#1134
         Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    kingarthur81 wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    Usually you don't see ships named after officers who are still active. Naming a ship after admiral Ross would mean that they'd have to kill off the character and I don't think they're willing to do that.

    In real life, ships are named after living people. I'm sure Starfleet would continue this tradition.
    The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush comes to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_living_Americans

    I wasn't aware of that.

    But to be fair, I don't think it would be the... right thing to do. As far as we are aware, there is no USS Sisko, no USS Picard or USS Janeway.

    Ship classes are only named after characters that are no longer 'living'. Hence why we have the Tucker, Daystrom and Scott class whereas a La Forge class instead of the Tucker class would have made more sense imo.

    It seems that they want to avoid naming ships after living heroes, generally speaking and there are probably good reasons for that. Also note that Bush was a president, and he isn't really known for any possible serving in the military. So that's quite a difference from a Starfleet officer who is likely still active, having named a ship after him in the same organisation. It would be kind of awkward I think.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,890 Community Moderator
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    kingarthur81 wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    Usually you don't see ships named after officers who are still active. Naming a ship after admiral Ross would mean that they'd have to kill off the character and I don't think they're willing to do that.

    In real life, ships are named after living people. I'm sure Starfleet would continue this tradition.
    The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush comes to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_living_Americans

    I wasn't aware of that.

    But to be fair, I don't think it would be the... right thing to do. As far as we are aware, there is no USS Sisko, no USS Picard or USS Janeway.

    Ship classes are only named after characters that are no longer 'living'. Hence why we have the Tucker, Daystrom and Scott class whereas a La Forge class instead of the Tucker class would have made more sense imo.

    It seems that they want to avoid naming ships after living heroes, generally speaking and there are probably good reasons for that. Also note that Bush was a president, and he isn't really known for any possible serving in the military. So that's quite a difference from a Starfleet officer who is likely still active, having named a ship after him in the same organisation. It would be kind of awkward I think.

    George H W Bush served as an aviator in the US Navy.

    Montgomery Scott is still alive after being discovered in suspension in a transporter pattern buffer after discovery of the Jenolan Dyson Sphere.
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5
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    True, Scotty is still alive. I remembered just now that there's even an episode with him...
  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    Is Scotty still alive in 2410? The only time I remember seeing a version of him that wasn't from the 23rd century, he came foward from the 24th century.
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  • kingarthur81kingarthur81 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited May 2018
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Is Scotty still alive in 2410? The only time I remember seeing a version of him that wasn't from the 23rd century, he came foward from the 24th century.

    According to at least one novel ("Engines of Destiny") Scotty survives until at least 2422!
    Unknown whether this novel is canon in Star Trek Online, however.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    kingarthur81 wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    Usually you don't see ships named after officers who are still active. Naming a ship after admiral Ross would mean that they'd have to kill off the character and I don't think they're willing to do that.

    In real life, ships are named after living people. I'm sure Starfleet would continue this tradition.
    The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush comes to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_living_Americans

    I wasn't aware of that.

    But to be fair, I don't think it would be the... right thing to do. As far as we are aware, there is no USS Sisko, no USS Picard or USS Janeway.

    Ship classes are only named after characters that are no longer 'living'. Hence why we have the Tucker, Daystrom and Scott class whereas a La Forge class instead of the Tucker class would have made more sense imo.

    It seems that they want to avoid naming ships after living heroes, generally speaking and there are probably good reasons for that. Also note that Bush was a president, and he isn't really known for any possible serving in the military. So that's quite a difference from a Starfleet officer who is likely still active, having named a ship after him in the same organisation. It would be kind of awkward I think.

    George H W Bush served as an aviator in the US Navy.

    Montgomery Scott is still alive after being discovered in suspension in a transporter pattern buffer after discovery of the Jenolan Dyson Sphere.

    USS John Paul Jones
    USS Bon Homme Richard
    USS Franklin D. Roosevelt
    USS John F. Kennedy
    USS Winston S. Churchill
    USS Dwight D. Eisenhower
    USS Carl Vinson
    USS Theodore Roosevelt
    USS Abraham Lincoln

    lots of named ships in the US navy over the last century, both living and dead in honor of their importance and actions.

    It isn't out the Realm of possibilities, especially considering there are a few named ships in STO

    USS Kirk - Exeter Class
    USS Phlox - Galaxy Class
    IKS Chang - Vo'quv Class
    RRW Cretak - Ha'apax Class
    USS Montgomery Scott - Sentinel Class

    Adding the USS William Ross would be a simple matter to an NPC ship.
    T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW.
    Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    I named my Phantom William Ross when Delta Rising came out; don't suppose that counts?
  • kingarthur81kingarthur81 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    sirmayday wrote: »
    I named my Phantom William Ross when Delta Rising came out; don't suppose that counts?

    Nice. I named my Phantom Elias Vaughn.
  • kingarthur81kingarthur81 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    kingarthur81 wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    Usually you don't see ships named after officers who are still active. Naming a ship after admiral Ross would mean that they'd have to kill off the character and I don't think they're willing to do that.

    In real life, ships are named after living people. I'm sure Starfleet would continue this tradition.
    The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush comes to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_living_Americans

    I wasn't aware of that.

    But to be fair, I don't think it would be the... right thing to do. As far as we are aware, there is no USS Sisko, no USS Picard or USS Janeway.

    Ship classes are only named after characters that are no longer 'living'. Hence why we have the Tucker, Daystrom and Scott class whereas a La Forge class instead of the Tucker class would have made more sense imo.

    It seems that they want to avoid naming ships after living heroes, generally speaking and there are probably good reasons for that. Also note that Bush was a president, and he isn't really known for any possible serving in the military. So that's quite a difference from a Starfleet officer who is likely still active, having named a ship after him in the same organisation. It would be kind of awkward I think.

    George H W Bush served as an aviator in the US Navy.

    Montgomery Scott is still alive after being discovered in suspension in a transporter pattern buffer after discovery of the Jenolan Dyson Sphere.

    USS John Paul Jones
    USS Bon Homme Richard
    USS Franklin D. Roosevelt
    USS John F. Kennedy
    USS Winston S. Churchill
    USS Dwight D. Eisenhower
    USS Carl Vinson
    USS Theodore Roosevelt
    USS Abraham Lincoln

    lots of named ships in the US navy over the last century, both living and dead in honor of their importance and actions.

    It isn't out the Realm of possibilities, especially considering there are a few named ships in STO

    USS Kirk - Exeter Class
    USS Phlox - Galaxy Class
    IKS Chang - Vo'quv Class
    RRW Cretak - Ha'apax Class
    USS Montgomery Scott - Sentinel Class

    Adding the USS William Ross would be a simple matter to an NPC ship.

    Good points.

    I think that Arleigh Burke might be the best example of a real-life Admiral who had a ship (first of its class actually) named after him, while he was still alive. Burke, like Ross, was a war hero and late in life, had a ship named after him.

    I would like to add the USS McCoy and the ISS Spock to your list of STO ships named after characters.
    Dr. McCoy and Mirror Spock are still technically alive in canon.

    It doesn't have to be a new ship design. I would settle on a Prometheus-class USS William J. Ross as an NPC ship, in a mission.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    Closer to 46 but the point still stands, he is probably gone by 2410.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited May 2018
    Though Farpoint happened in 2364, which is 46 years before the current 2410.

    15 years between Farpont and Nemesis, 8 between Nemeis and Hobus, 23 between Hobus and 2410.
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,923 Arc User
    kingarthur81 wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    Usually you don't see ships named after officers who are still active. Naming a ship after admiral Ross would mean that they'd have to kill off the character and I don't think they're willing to do that.

    In real life, ships are named after living people. I'm sure Starfleet would continue this tradition.
    The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush comes to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_living_Americans

    Why would they do that when there is no USS Nimoy, Doohan, Kelly, ect?
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,923 Arc User
    kingarthur81 wrote: »
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    kingarthur81 wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    Usually you don't see ships named after officers who are still active. Naming a ship after admiral Ross would mean that they'd have to kill off the character and I don't think they're willing to do that.

    In real life, ships are named after living people. I'm sure Starfleet would continue this tradition.
    The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush comes to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_living_Americans

    I wasn't aware of that.

    But to be fair, I don't think it would be the... right thing to do. As far as we are aware, there is no USS Sisko, no USS Picard or USS Janeway.

    Ship classes are only named after characters that are no longer 'living'. Hence why we have the Tucker, Daystrom and Scott class whereas a La Forge class instead of the Tucker class would have made more sense imo.

    It seems that they want to avoid naming ships after living heroes, generally speaking and there are probably good reasons for that. Also note that Bush was a president, and he isn't really known for any possible serving in the military. So that's quite a difference from a Starfleet officer who is likely still active, having named a ship after him in the same organisation. It would be kind of awkward I think.

    George H W Bush served as an aviator in the US Navy.

    Montgomery Scott is still alive after being discovered in suspension in a transporter pattern buffer after discovery of the Jenolan Dyson Sphere.

    USS John Paul Jones
    USS Bon Homme Richard
    USS Franklin D. Roosevelt
    USS John F. Kennedy
    USS Winston S. Churchill
    USS Dwight D. Eisenhower
    USS Carl Vinson
    USS Theodore Roosevelt
    USS Abraham Lincoln

    lots of named ships in the US navy over the last century, both living and dead in honor of their importance and actions.

    It isn't out the Realm of possibilities, especially considering there are a few named ships in STO

    USS Kirk - Exeter Class
    USS Phlox - Galaxy Class
    IKS Chang - Vo'quv Class
    RRW Cretak - Ha'apax Class
    USS Montgomery Scott - Sentinel Class

    Adding the USS William Ross would be a simple matter to an NPC ship.

    Good points.

    I think that Arleigh Burke might be the best example of a real-life Admiral who had a ship (first of its class actually) named after him, while he was still alive. Burke, like Ross, was a war hero and late in life, had a ship named after him.

    I would like to add the USS McCoy and the ISS Spock to your list of STO ships named after characters.
    Dr. McCoy and Mirror Spock are still technically alive in canon.

    It doesn't have to be a new ship design. I would settle on a Prometheus-class USS William J. Ross as an NPC ship, in a mission.

    since Bellerphron was his flagship, an intrepid would be more fitting
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  • kingarthur81kingarthur81 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited May 2018
    since Bellerphron was his flagship, an intrepid would be more fitting

    A nod to the post-DS9 novels. In which, his new flagship, Cerberus, was Prometheus-class.
  • kingarthur81kingarthur81 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    Why would they do that when there is no USS Nimoy, Doohan, Kelly, ect?

    Obviously not. There is, however, a USS Kirk, USS McCoy, ISS Spock, etc.
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