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"The Past and Present"
nitocris83
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Kira Nerys, Kai of the Bajoran people, contemplates her past and present in the wake of the Tzenkethi attack on Bajor, in our latest fiction blog!
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10883384
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10883384
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Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Fun with alliteration.
Also, for some reason, I'm reminded of an episode of DS9 ("The Rapture" Season 5 Episode 10) where Sisko starts having visions. In what would be his last vision, he said he saw a swarm of locusts destroy Bajor if they joined the Federation (at that time). I know that it was for the show and meant to mean the 'locusts' were the Dominion, but I wonder if the writers for the game may be at least using that 'vision' as an inspiration for what may come.
On a side note, what happened to the blog about the Personal Endeavor system? I read it, followed the link to discuss it in the forums and was in the process of writing out my questions and comments when I decided to refresh the page to see if anyone else had posted similar questions already and it went POOF. The page, not my post. I use notepad to write out things for the forum since a lot of my posts, and other peoples too, tend to vanish without a trace if we try to edit them.
And the Gamma Quadrant Battlezone that is featured on the launcher (right now) the link to its article is non-existent. Did someone jump the gun multiple times or what?
Losing faith in humanity, one person at a time.
> An interesting read. I look forward to seeing where Kira's "visions" lead.
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> Also, for some reason, I'm reminded of an episode of DS9 ("The Rapture" Season 5 Episode 10) where Sisko starts having visions. In what would be his last vision, he said he saw a swarm of locusts destroy Bajor if they joined the Federation (at that time). I know that it was for the show and meant to mean the 'locusts' were the Dominion, but I wonder if the writers for the game may be at least using that 'vision' as an inspiration for what may come.
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> On a side note, what happened to the blog about the Personal Endeavor system? I read it, followed the link to discuss it in the forums and was in the process of writing out my questions and comments when I decided to refresh the page to see if anyone else had posted similar questions already and it went POOF. The page, not my post. I use notepad to write out things for the forum since a lot of my posts, and other peoples too, tend to vanish without a trace if we try to edit them.
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> And the Gamma Quadrant Battlezone that is featured on the launcher (right now) the link to its article is non-existent. Did someone jump the gun multiple times or what?
Care to share what the Personal Endeavor system is please?
> Today we gather to mourn the Tzenkethi attack on Bajor, and the tragic failure of the attack to wipe out all life on that wretched hive of smarmy self-righteous piety and thus put them out of the universe's misery.
The Prophets forgive your evil words child, such harshness says you've never learned the love of the Prophets, so you walk the path of the Pahwaiths.
Let the rage go and Prophets will bless you my child.
Vedik Lordgyor.
From what I read, it will be daily assignments to do certain tasks, except there will be 3 levels of difficulty, Easy, Normal and Hard. You get more rewards for doing the higher ranked stuff of course.
And the rewards are somewhat similar to the Endeavor rewards, except there is apparently going to also be Endeavor XP that you earn from the Personal ones that once you level up, you can trade the 'points' in for account wide boosts, like damage resistance or crit hit chance.
Now, considering they removed the blog, things may change. And that's all I can really remember about the thing since it was only up for a very short time. We may hear about it (again
Losing faith in humanity, one person at a time.
Yeah, I caught that too. Nerys was referring to herself in the third person all through that story.
P.S. Kai Kira, her arguments are almost as powerful as her fists! (Loving the Added Alliterative Appeal).
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
Vlasek D. Lasor - 4.19.3580
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> So Kira Nerys is now the Kia. Since first names are surname on Bejor, that means she is Kia Kira.
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> Fun with alliteration.
Did you not read ‘The Path to 2409’
Thanks for that. I saw the blog but didn't click on it, and I was wondering where it ran off to when I was ready to read it.
At least the Bajorans are worshiping actual ultra-powerful entities that have their best interests in mind. It's not like they're prostrating before Ardra. At the same time it's not like they're worshiping Q either.
Besides The Original Series crew were hardly atheists remember this gem, "So odd that they would still be sun worshipers." Uhura: "Captain, I've been monitoring their communications and they're not worshiping the sun, but the son of God."
Picard on the other hand was ebullient about the Mintakan's achievement of leaving religion and superstition behind.
No, she's the Pope. So considering the current Popemobile, that makes her the Focus of Bajor.
I know right.
Same could be said of the H'urq. Why did they choose to go there, after hatching.
Add in the Dominion as well.
My character Tsin'xing
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> The prophets and the pahwraiths can both kiss my TRIBBLE$. They're just aliens, with delusions of godhood like so many others. If Kirk was still around he'd have shut their little religious scam down real quick and exposed them for the fakes they are. Spock would say "putting faith in beings simply because they possess power is not logical", and McCoy would say "Come on, Spock, did a little faith ever hurt anyone?" in reply. Spock would raise an eyebrow high and state, simply, "Actually yes it has, many millions in fact. Would you like a generalized list?". McCoy would frown, Kirk would laugh, and Scott would interrupt to say he's got the requested phaser modifications ready and they should negate those aliens' powers right quick. Kirk would nod, and say "Mr Sulu, you may fire when ready". And that would be the end of that whole nonsense.
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> At least the Bajorans are worshiping actual ultra-powerful entities that have their best interests in mind. It's not like they're prostrating before Ardra. At the same time it's not like they're worshiping Q either.
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> Besides The Original Series crew were hardly atheists remember this gem, "So odd that they would still be sun worshipers." Uhura: "Captain, I've been monitoring their communications and they're not worshiping the sun, but the son of God."
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> The censors in the 1960s made it pretty difficult for Roddenberry and his show to be as openly atheistic as they would have liked, and sometimes awful lines like that had to be inserted to get scripts approved. The later stance in TNG was what Roddenberry always wanted, expressed without the censors of an earlier age breathing down his neck.
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> And there is no "at least" about it when it comes to "worshiping" ultra-powerful entities. The whole bloody point was that being powerful did NOT make beings better than those with less power and it did not grant them any automatic claim to authority let alone worship. Both Kirk's crew and Picard's would be disgusted by the Bajorans prostrating themselves before powerful aliens, and would absolutely NOT indulge them by adopting their religious terms and attitudes towards such beings. They would resist doing so at every turn as to do so would violate the most fundamental principles of the Federation.
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> One, that all sentient beings are quintessentially equal in their rights and standing in law and society --wisdom, knowledge, moral character, and accomplishments are what earns status in the Federation, not inherent power. The very concept that one set of beings should bow down and worship another simply because they possess more power is repulsive to Federation philosophy. The way Picard and crew interact with Q, insisting on basic equality and fair treatment and rejecting arrogant claims of superiority, are how Starfleet officers properly treat beings of great power. That, not worship, is the Federation way.
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> Secondly, they hold themselves to the same standards when it comes to beings who don't hold the kind of power they do. The Prime Directive is all about NOT using power and advancement as leverage to impose their will or ideals or opinions on less powerful civilizations and sure as HELL not setting themselves up as gods to be worshiped! To act in such a way would not merely be considered repulsive on the part of the more powerful party, but in fact criminal.
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> The Federation, as written properly and not by 20th century television writers without a proper science fiction grounding and with an unfortunate bias towards contemporary views of religion, would utterly condemn both sides. They would hold particular ire for the so-called "Prophets" for taking advantage of their power in relation to a less advanced species, and seek to intervene to the greatest degree possible to prevent any abuse of power and status by them. They'd also consider the Bajoran culture of worship as a severe societal flaw that would render them not ready to join advanced galactic society. They would offer assistance in weaning themselves from their primitive culture of inferiority and dependence, but tell them they could not and would not force such changes upon them. They would, however, state politely but firmly that until they embrace such a change that they and the Federation have little in common on which to base a relationship.
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> For that matter, did the Bajorans even have warp technology? If not, that brings up a whole different set of Prime Directive issues prohibiting interaction...
The Bajorans developed warp the year the cardassian occupation started, the occupation was likely a result of Bajorans ‘trespassing’ on cardassian space
STOunrefined has a video about it on their youtube channel
> Whatever brought them there, they were lucky the H'urq appeared and Bajor isn't a Klingon world. A direct attempt to purge the population of Bajor should have started another war.
If the Federation actually reflected reality, that attack would have resulted in a immediate declaration of war that would have ended very badly for the Tzenkethi. But then, the Breen would have paid a steep price for their raid on Earth.
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Thank you.
My character Tsin'xing
I would love to see that episode! Much in keeping with:
Kirk vs. Gary Mitchell
Kirk vs. Vaal
Kirk vs. Landru
Kirk vs. Apollo
etc., etc., etc.
That's the one point on which I'd have to disagree (I fully support the rest of your argument, however). The Prophets/Wormhole Aliens seemed rather indifferent to the actual Bajoran religion about them, rather than taking advantage of (or - heh - profiting by) it. The blame for the alien worship seems to be entirely on the Bajorans' part. Probably the first Kai thought the whole thing up as a way of getting out of being a Hasperat short order cook or whatever.