Star Trek Discovery - Season 2 casting speculations ( spoilerish )

valoreah · February 2018

Now that Season 1 of Discovery is over, we have some time to have some fun and speculate about who will be playing the familiar characters we are near guaranteed to see.

Based on the very last scene of Will You Take My Hand, it seems rather clear we'll be seeing Captain Pike and Spock. We also heard that Discovery was on her way to pick up her "new Captain".

So who do you want to see cast as;

Christopher Pike
Spock
Discovery's new Captain

Do you think the new Captain will be a familiar character we've seen before or someone new?

artan42 · February 2018

They'll cast people for the former two roles who look nothing like their KT or TOS actors (same for Number One and Boyce I expect).

For the latter I'm hoping they change track and promote Saru. Or give us an Andorian (haha, autocorrect have me American for Andorian and the last thing we need is another American or French captain).

Prove Starfleet isn't a Homo Sapians only club.

evilmark444 · February 2018

For Pike and Spock if they can't get Greenwood and Quinto for one or two episodes then they shouldn't even bother tbh, just say they are in sickbay for some reason and have Number One be the highest ranking officer that we see on screen.

hawku001x · February 2018

T'Pol for Captain!

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mustrumridcully0 · February 2018

I really have no idea how they want to explain "why did Spock never talk of his sister" when they don't actually want to show him in any way.

I don't know if what they are saying is just misdirection for a bigger surprise (good look with that) when he appears, if they really have a plan that will work, or if they realize that their plan can't work and they rethink it before the season is completed.

No one can replace Leonard Nimoy. He will always be the real original Spock to me. But I am okay with them casting a new one for Discovery. If the acting and writing are solid, it should still be enjoyable.

artan42 · February 2018

valoreah wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Prove Starfleet isn't a Homo Sapians only club.

Not sure I understand this as we have always seen plenty of aliens within the Federation and Starfleet including non-human Captains/Admiralty.

Spock in TOS, M'ress and three armed dude in minor roles in TAS, Spock, Saavik, and Valaris in the TOS films, Data and Worf in TNG, with Ro in a minor role, Dax (both of 'em), and Kira (for all of one episode), and Worf again in DS9, Tuvok in VGR (and the little girl with the spiky head in a very minor role), Keeser in TKT, and Saru in DSC.

That seems to be them all. Though out of those, one is half-Human, one was raised by Humans, and one aspires to be Human

Most main, recurring, and background characters have always been humanoid. Other than Vulcans, nine times out of ten, when there's an Admiral on the viewscreen, they're Human. Nine times out of ten, when there's a gruesome corpse on the floor of a research outpost somewhere, it's Human. Nine times out of ten, when an arrogant, former academy classmate of a crewmember comes aboard, they're Human.

Other than the half-Human Spock there have been no alien captains of the hero ships (Kira doesn't count, not being Starfleet or even Federation) or any major alien presence in the main casts other than the very Human Vulcans and Trill (until Saru anyway).

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artan42 · February 2018

valoreah wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

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That seems to be them all. Though out of those, one is half-Human, one was raised by Humans, and one aspires to be Human

Most main, recurring, and background characters have always been humanoid..

Other than the half-Human Spock there have been no alien captains of the hero ships (Kira doesn't count, not being Starfleet or even Federation) or any major alien presence in the main casts other than the very Human Vulcans and Trill (until Saru anyway).

Given that Star Trek is a show about exploring the human condition and what it means to be human, you are still finding this odd?

Did I say it was odd. I don't think I said it was odd.

I said I wanted a non-Human captain to show the supposedly diverse Federation actually is diverse.

starkaos · February 2018

Saru does seem to be the most alien main character in Star Trek. For truly alien looking main characters (more than just weird ears or forehead), TOS has none, TNG has none, DS9 has Quark, Rom, Nog, Odo, and Garak, Voyager has Neelix, Enterprise has Phlox, and Discovery has Saru. Starfleet has always been a human-centric organization. It is interesting how the only Nog and Saru are the only truly alien Starfleet main characters in Star Trek.

mirrorchaos · February 2018

valoreah wrote: »

Now that Season 1 of Discovery is over, we have some time to have some fun and speculate about who will be playing the familiar characters we are near guaranteed to see.

Based on the very last scene of Will You Take My Hand, it seems rather clear we'll be seeing Captain Pike and Spock. We also heard that Discovery was on her way to pick up her "new Captain".

So who do you want to see cast as;
Christopher Pike

Spock

Discovery's new Captain

Do you think the new Captain will be a familiar character we've seen before or someone new?

1. Sonequa Martin Green
2. Doug Jones
3. Anthony Rapp
4. Mary Wiseman

Those four are expected to remain, i wouldn't be surprised if the other recurring characters become main cast;

1. Ronnie Rowe Jr.
2. Sara Mitich
3. Patrick Kwok-Choon
4. Emily Coutts
5. Oyin Oladejo

As to who will captain the Discovery? i'm not so sure Saru will be given command of the ship more permanently as he wasn't promoted to captain, so we might get another new character coming in to take over, unknown at this point as to who.

I am also suspicious of Pike and Spock making an entrance on Discovery, i mean it is like one of those ship to ship or ship to station meet ups your see occasionally on trek at the end of an episode. It doesn't mean they are expected to show up in next episode, in this case season 2. There are no gaurantees at all beyond hype because it shows up.

I suspect the closer we get to when Discovery airs, there will be plenty of news in the media sites that could allude to a TOS connection more solidly, at that point a speculative discussion would be more productive at that point.

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flash525 · February 2018

valoreah wrote: »

Do you think the new Captain will be a familiar character we've seen before or someone new?

I doubt it'll be Saru; they'd have done so already otherwise, and just had them launch on their next mission rather than heading to Vulcan. I'm half expecting it to be Prime Lorca though.

artan42 wrote: »

For the latter I'm hoping they change track and promote Saru. Or give us an Andorian (haha, autocorrect have me American for Andorian and the last thing we need is another American or French captain).

I would love this, if for no other reason than I loved the portrayal of the Andorian's in Enterprise, and of the founding species (of which I know included Tellaries) the Andorians do seem popular among fanfiction. No show however has ever given us a Captain that isn't human, and whilst I hope DSC is capable of changing that, I wouldn't hold out hope of it!

evilmark444 wrote: »

For Pike and Spock if they can't get Greenwood and Quinto for one or two episodes then they shouldn't even bother tbh, just say they are in sickbay for some reason and have Number One be the highest ranking officer that we see on screen.

Or... not? I'm more than happy for new actors to take on the roles.

hawku001x wrote: »

T'Pol for Captain!

Whilst it would be nice to have cameo from T'Pol at some point, seeing her captain the DSC is not where I'd want the show to go. TOS, VOY and ENT covered the Vulcan arc. Time to move elsewhere.

artan42 wrote: »

Spock in TOS, M'ress and three armed dude in minor roles in TAS, Spock, Saavik, and Valaris in the TOS films, Data and Worf in TNG, with Ro in a minor role, Dax (both of 'em), and Kira (for all of one episode), and Worf again in DS9, Tuvok in VGR (and the little girl with the spiky head in a very minor role), Keeser in TKT, and Saru in DSC.

I know she only appeared in TAS, and I'm not sure where she'd fit into the timeline, but I'd love to see M'Ress (or even, just another Caitian) on the Enterprise, or in Season 2 somewhere. If they could factor in M'Ress as an Enterprise crew member it would please fans of TAS and that character in general, whilst also establishing that the Caitian are still around following the dated TAS & TMP era - in the sense of when they aired, not their Trek timeline date. The Caitian in the Trek reboot might as well had been humanoid for all their similarity to actual cats.

artan42 · February 2018

valoreah wrote: »

Why is the captain all of a sudden the symbol for "diversity"?

Because the captain is the face of the show. Well, technically Burnham is the face of DSC but it's not her people are going to be sticking on captain vs. memes.

flash525 wrote: »

I would love this, if for no other reason than I loved the portrayal of the Andorian's in Enterprise, and of the founding species (of which I know included Tellaries) the Andorians do seem popular among fanfiction. No show however has ever given us a Captain that isn't human, and whilst I hope DSC is capable of changing that, I wouldn't hold out hope of it!

I also really like their DSC makeup. And they do look good in those blue uniforms.

flash525 wrote: »

I know she only appeared in TAS, and I'm not sure where she'd fit into the timeline, but I'd love to see M'Ress (or even, just another Caitian) on the Enterprise, or in Season 2 somewhere. If they could factor in M'Ress as an Enterprise crew member it would please fans of TAS and that character in general, whilst also establishing that the Caitian are still around following the dated TAS & TMP era - in the sense of when they aired, not their Trek timeline date. The Caitian in the Trek reboot might as well had been humanoid for all their similarity to actual cats.

Have her as a crew member of the Discovery and transfer to the Enterprise in a decade or so. Oh, there were no Caitians in TKT. Whichever writer it was just said yes to a fan question without having a clue what they were on about. There are no felanoid aliens of any sort in any of the TKT films.

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artan42 · February 2018

valoreah wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Because the captain is the face of the show. Well, technically Burnham is the face of DSC but it's not her people are going to be sticking on captain vs. memes.

I don't think that's true at all really. Kirk was never really the focus of the show. The entire cast of TNG had as much (if not more) character development and screen time as Picard. Same goes for DS9 and Voyager really. Heck, Voyager became the Seven of Nine show after the third season IMO.

Face of, not focus of. It's their face on all the branding (when it's not the ship or the delta). I'd also disagree that the captains weren't the focal characters, especially Kirk. Considering TOS mainly consisted of three characters and it wasn't McCoy who was the main drive of most episodes, I'd have to give the award to the guy who's leached into almost all levels of culture, even outside of popular or scifi culture.

flash525 · February 2018

artan42 wrote: »

Have her as a crew member of the Discovery and transfer to the Enterprise in a decade or so. Oh, there were no Caitians in TKT. Whichever writer it was just said yes to a fan question without having a clue what they were on about. There are no felanoid aliens of any sort in any of the TKT films.

It was Damon Lindelof that confirmed the two females Kirk had in his bed were indeed Caitian. What basis do you believe otherwise?

artan42 · February 2018

flash525 wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Have her as a crew member of the Discovery and transfer to the Enterprise in a decade or so. Oh, there were no Caitians in TKT. Whichever writer it was just said yes to a fan question without having a clue what they were on about. There are no felanoid aliens of any sort in any of the TKT films.

It was Damon Lindelof that confirmed the two females Kirk had in his bed were indeed Caitian. What basis do you believe otherwise?

Because;
Firstly it was in a Q&A session where he clearly had no clue what was being asked.
Secondly nothing anybody says is ever canon, no matter who they are, writers, directors, actors, or producers (not even the ghost of Roddenberry himself). It has to be spoken or seen onscreen (which technically makes the very word Caitian non-canon) to be canon.
And thirdly Caitians, if we're going by BtS info pertaining to M'Ress and the Caitians in the TOS films, are felineoids. All images, including makeup tests confirm that the twins in ID have no feiline traites at all. They have Cardassian-like ears, Risian-like tattoos, primate-like tails, and Human-like everything else. This is not elongating the skulls of Klingons or adding extra bones to the heads of Andorians or Romulans, or extra teeth to Tellarites, it would be making a cat-like species a not-cat-like species

flash525 · February 2018

artan42 wrote: »

Firstly it was in a Q&A session where he clearly had no clue what was being asked.
Secondly nothing anybody says is ever canon, no matter who they are, writers, directors, actors, or producers (not even the ghost of Roddenberry himself). It has to be spoken or seen onscreen (which technically makes the very word Caitian non-canon) to be canon. And thirdly Caitians, if we're going by BtS info pertaining to M'Ress and the Caitians in the TOS films, are felineoids. All images, including makeup tests confirm that the twins in ID have no feiline traites at all. They have Cardassian-like ears, Risian-like tattoos, primate-like tails, and Human-like everything else. This is not elongating the skulls of Klingons or adding extra bones to the heads of Andorians or Romulans, or extra teeth to Tellarites, it would be making a cat-like species a not-cat-like species

Well that answers that then! One more reason to show us the Caitian species in DSC.

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flash525 · February 2018

artan42 wrote: »

Face of, not focus of. It's their face on all the branding (when it's not the ship or the delta). I'd also disagree that the captains weren't the focal characters, especially Kirk. Considering TOS mainly consisted of three characters and it wasn't McCoy who was the main drive of most episodes, I'd have to give the award to the guy who's leached into almost all levels of culture, even outside of popular or scifi culture.

valoreah wrote: »

I really don't see the captains being the face of their respective show either. Spock is just as much an icon of TOS as Kirk, if not more so. Same goes for Data, Worf, Seven of Nine etc. for their respective series. Kirk also was not the main driver for each TOS episode for sure. I don't see episodes like "Amok Time", "Day of the Dove", "The Lights of Zetar", "The Man Trap", "Journey to Babel" or "The Enterprise Incident" being Kirk-centric. Certainly seems there were more Data-centric episodes of TNG than anyone else. Seven of Nine certainly shared quite a lot of screen time with the Janeway.

I think, of the five (or six) shows, DS9 probably had the most diversity between it's characters; we started with Sisko, and there was an underlying element with his connection to the prophets, but there were ample episodes exploring Kira, Odo, Worf, Dax, Quark etc, even the likes of Garak, Rom, Dukat and Nog got a fair amount of screen-time. If there were any characters slightly lacking it would have probably been Julian and/or Miles, but even they got their own episodes on occasion.

I never got that feel from any of the other shows.

artan42 · February 2018

valoreah wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Face of, not focus of. It's their face on all the branding (when it's not the ship or the delta). I'd also disagree that the captains weren't the focal characters, especially Kirk. Considering TOS mainly consisted of three characters and it wasn't McCoy who was the main drive of most episodes, I'd have to give the award to the guy who's leached into almost all levels of culture, even outside of popular or scifi culture.

I really don't see the captains being the face of their respective show either. Spock is just as much an icon of TOS as Kirk, if not more so. Same goes for Data, Worf, Seven of Nine etc. for their respective series. Kirk also was not the main driver for each TOS episode for sure. I don't see episodes like "Amok Time", "Day of the Dove", "The Lights of Zetar", "The Man Trap", "Journey to Babel" or "The Enterprise Incident" being Kirk-centric. Certainly seems there were more Data-centric episodes of TNG than anyone else. Seven of Nine certainly shared quite a lot of screen time with the Janeway.

I'd say, purely anecdotally, that Kirk and Picard (yes, and probably Spock) are far more culturally present than Seven of Nine or Data. But even if he's not driving those episodes plots I think it's probably unlikely any character other than Spock has more lines over all that Kirk, if nothing else that makes him the face of TOS.

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mirrorchaos · March 2018

valoreah wrote: »

mirrorchaos wrote: »

...I am also suspicious of Pike and Spock making an entrance on Discovery, i mean it is like one of those ship to ship or ship to station meet ups your see occasionally on trek at the end of an episode. It doesn't mean they are expected to show up in next episode, in this case season 2. There are no gaurantees at all beyond hype because it shows up.

I suspect the closer we get to when Discovery airs, there will be plenty of news in the media sites that could allude to a TOS connection more solidly, at that point a speculative discussion would be more productive at that point.

I think it might be a huge letdown to not have Spock or Pike appear after teasing the Enterprise like that.

Perhaps? But Discovery could last a few more seasons yet and there is a good chance of a famous character showing up at some point along the way. They don't all need to show up right away.

azrael605 wrote: »

For Spock... well first I'm gonna call bs on him not being seen, he might not be seen for long but I am certain he will be seen. Now as for who to play him, Haberkorn doesn't have a chance, pity cause he does a decent Vulcan.

I was just thinking that Haberkorn would be perfect for the role, after watching continues a while back, he really suits the Spock role nicely compared to others i have seen, even Quinto.

startrekron · April 2018

I predict that the show will be just as bland and predictable as the 1st season.

mhall85 · April 2018

If they are going to show Spock, then cast Quinto. He's the right age, he's the "blessed" heir to the role, he does a good job as Spock. If not him, then don't show him on screen.

As for Pike, I'd love to see Bruce Greenwood, but I would get it if they went another direction. Prime Pike technically had two actors anyway (I don't think Jeffrey Hunter was Wheelchair Pike).

And as for the captain, I would be fine with it being Number One (I think she should have been the lead for the series in the first place, but whatever). I'd also would sorta expect the captain to be some random character who gets killed off, or never makes the assignment... handing the ship to Saru by season's end.

markhawkman · April 2018

No way it's Number One. Too many unanswered question would need answered.

mirrorchaos · April 2018

mhall85 wrote: »

If they are going to show Spock, then cast Quinto. He's the right age, he's the "blessed" heir to the role, he does a good job as Spock. If not him, then don't show him on screen.

As for Pike, I'd love to see Bruce Greenwood, but I would get it if they went another direction. Prime Pike technically had two actors anyway (I don't think Jeffrey Hunter was Wheelchair Pike).

Quinto is contracted to Paramount for the Trek Films. Wouldn't there be a conflict of interest there with CBS trek? I've seen not any direct CBS connection with any work he has done on TV from 2009 to present.

As for the wheelchair Pike? Sean Kenney played that role.
Bruce Greenwood? hmm, Pike was in his late 30's early 40's at most, CBS should be looking to someone roughly around that age, with graying hair, piercing gray eyes and far less wrinkles and liver spots. someone like what Bruce used to look like back in the 90's. If you are going to match up Pike, at least do it right.

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