Tier 5 Premium Ships

kingerasmus · December 2017

I've been playing for a pretty good while now, and there is something that honestly confuses me: why are tier 5 premium ships locked (for the most part - on console at least) to Vice Admiral? Would it not make more sense to have them available to characters that hit lvl 40? Having the vast majority locked to lvl 50 makes them useless if you have tier 6 ships of the same type. The way it is now does not encourage me to spend money on them.

theraven2378 · December 2017

T6 Event ships can be used from LVL 40 upwards, same with Lockbox and lobi ships

ikonn · December 2017

The reason is...

The T5 ships, at one time, were the end-game ships until the Delta Expansion. When that expansion came out, we had a level increase and the T6 ships were added then.

Now, one can look at the T5 ships as still good, but not the best for the end-game (opinions will vary here). I agree that with T6 ships here, the “premium” T5s should be allowed to be used at level 40. There are some of the lower-end T5s that you can use, but it would be nice to see all other T5s allowed to be used at that level as well.

davefenestrator · December 2017

I wonder if it's another case of "not designed for it": The T6 ships have the level scaling included in their design, so the stats increase as a player levels up. If they allowed the T5 use at 40 they might need to let us do it with the fixed level 50 stats.

sarcasmdetector · December 2017

this is a bit complicated. I mean really complicated.

you do have some Zen store T5 ships that unlock at 40, but most of them unlock at 50. Some of those lvl 50 ships can be upgraded to fleet tier and others are already fleet tier...

however i believe most if not all lockbox/prize and lobi ships (T5 and T6) unlock at lvl 40. they already come at fleet tier.

there aren't many reason for buying T5 ships that have T6 variants, unless you want to get specific consoles from them, or want to fluff up your admiralty cards.

seaofsorrows · December 2017

T5 Ships are totally out of whack in price.

This is because they were once 'top of the line' and priced accordingly. When they were made near obsolete by T6, the prices were never adjusted.

Unless there is a Skin or a console you just can't live without, all T5 C-Store ships should be avoided. They are never worth the money. It's always better to just spend a couple extra dollars and go T6. Spending $20-$25 on a ship you're going to use for 10 levels just makes no sense at all.

kingerasmus · December 2017

> @seaofsorrows said:
Unless there is a Skin or a console you just can't live without, all T5 C-Store ships should be avoided. They are never worth the money. It's always better to just spend a couple extra dollars and go T6. Spending $20-$25 on a ship you're going to use for 10 levels just makes no sense at all.

Problem is you can even use the vast majority of the C-Store T5 ships until you hit 50, which is when you can use T6. You're basically paying $25 for a console! Not customer friendly at all.

baddmoonrizin · December 2017

A console, a skin, and an Admiralty card. Maybe what they should actually do is move T6 to Level 60. (j/k)

darkbladejk · December 2017

Before Delta Rising the t5 ships you see in the cstore and their t5 lockbox counterparts were the end game ships to have. For a good 4 years they were what you flew at end game. Some of them even then could be picked up at level 40 and some were locked to level 50. You're not required to use a t5 ship simply because you've hit level 40 just as you are not required to use a t6 ship just because you've passed level 50. The free t5 you get from leveling at 40 is more than capable of getting you to 50 and can still do well even in today's game. You won't have the bells and whistles a t6 or even t5u does, but the ship is more than capable. If you're going to buy the ship strictly to use from 40-50 then yeah that's not a wise thing to do as you won't get much mileage out of it. That's why I tell people not to worry about gear and ships too much until they hit level 50 at least, because the game doesn't start to open up until level 50.

As for the whole t5 vs t6 thing, a t6 ship will have more bells and whistles such as specialist seating, but those extra things are not required in order to succeed in game today. They absolutely help and can be a great asset, but you can still do great without them. Take the Odyssey type ships as an example. The main differences between the t5u and t6 are this, the t5u doesn't get the 5th mastery to unlock a trait, nor does it get specialist seating like Intel, and it comes up 1 console short. Those are some of the key differences, but a t5u and t6 odyssey are more than capable of laying a smackdown to anything in game today the NPCs can throw your way. You'll get more tools to work with going with the t6 in today's game, but point being is don't count a t5 ship out simply because it doesn't have the bells and whistles of a t6. Simply being in a t6 doesn't automatically mean you will do better.

Cost wise you will get more bang for your buck with a t6 as you simply get more tools to work with, I don't think that was ever a debate. However if you see a t5 ship you like and want to fly then use it, otherwise no one is going to force you to buy the ship. There are still some decent set bonuses you can call on by having the t5 and t6 versions of some ships. Some may argue they're not worth it, but point being its an option you have. I still utilize some of the t5 consoles from time to time on my t6 scimitars cause reasons. Point being if you like the ship and the console, or are like me and just enjoy collecting the ships, then go for it.

echatty · December 2017

I agree with darkbladejk. There's nothing wrong with using t5/t5u ships. They're still more than capable of rotfstomping any content the game can throw at you. And like him, I also like to collect ships when I can. Though most of my collecting are the Event ships.

But t5 ships being useless? Not at all.

talonxv · December 2017

I too share the opinion that all tier 5 ships should now be useable at lvl 40.

warpangel · December 2017

kingerasmus#7311 wrote: »

I've been playing for a pretty good while now, and there is something that honestly confuses me: why are tier 5 premium ships locked (for the most part - on console at least) to Vice Admiral? Would it not make more sense to have them available to characters that hit lvl 40? Having the vast majority locked to lvl 50 makes them useless if you have tier 6 ships of the same type. The way it is now does not encourage me to spend money on them.

Because way back when they were made someone at Cryptic wanted them that way and nobody has changed it since. There is no other reason.

The T5's in general are mainly relegated to console set pieces and admiralty cards at this point.

theraven2378 · December 2017

baddmoonrizin wrote: »

A console, a skin, and an Admiralty card. Maybe what they should actually do is move T6 to Level 60. (j/k)

You know that could actually work

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echatty · December 2017

coldnapalm wrote: »

baddmoonrizin wrote: »

A console, a skin, and an Admiralty card. Maybe what they should actually do is move T6 to Level 60. (j/k)

Not joking...they really should. They should have done that from the start...and MAYBE have the event ships be 50-60.

I agree with these. They're sensible ideas.

warpangel · December 2017

The standard would have T5 at 40 and T6 at 50. (T7 at 60

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But all in all it means little because most players are going to be max-level anyway.

leemwatson · December 2017

T5U and T6 have very little difference in stats, especially when you discount the character unlocked 5th Trait on T6's.

The basic difference between them is +5 extra subsystem power and Specialist seating (which is not essential at all, just gives different options).

And for a very easy example of a C-Store T5U Carrier that is technically better than T6 Carriers, just acquire the KDF's Kar'Fi. 4/3 weapons and 2 Hangers.

Tier 5 Premium Ships

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