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Sadly, George Takei is the latest celebrity to be accused of assault. And what makes this especially sad is that regardless of whether that *specific* claim is true or not, he actually ADMITS to assault in this interview with Howard Stern. He tries to excuse it by saying he didn't threaten anyone's job, but what he describes was still non-consenaul. This is very sad news for the Trek community who respected Mr. Takei 
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It's better than hiding it behind a court room gag order like certain people in the UK are doing with injunctions to keep their sordid details secret, even from their other half especially when all it does is damage their profiles and lives irrepairably by not disclosing it.
After that whole Weinstein debacle, a man who couldn't keep his hands to himself and using his position of power to such extremes to cage women until he got what he wanted. George Takei doesn't even come close to the level a serial monster like that man.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Y'all need to chill.
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You know, as someone who has always admired Mr. Takei, I really WISH that were true. Unfortunately it is not.
In that interview Mr. Takei said that he groped people who were skittish or afraid to try to "persuade" them.
Here is a newsflash for you: if someone is afraid, they are not consenting. And if someone is not consenting, then it is assault.
What's more, if a man said he groped a WOMAN who was afraid to try to persuade her, that man would rightly be called a predator. Just because Takei groped men he can't be held to a different standard than if he groped women.
Groping anyone who is AFRAID is not consensual, and that means assault. There is no way to excuse that.
It sucks that a Trek icon has been revealed as a predator, but he admitted to this behavior himself. When you admit something you lose any presumption of innocence.
Mild sexual harassment is extremely subjective. There are some people that are just too hands on and are acting innocently without realizing the stress they are putting on the other person. Therefore, they should speak up and admit they are becoming uncomfortable with the person being too hands on. Then there is certain cultural practices like the Italian cheek kiss which is used as a form of greeting.
With the way things are going, this will be our society.
Demolition Man and Idiocracy are becoming more and more documentaries instead of science fiction. I am not sure which is worse.
I absolutely agree that would be the best thing. Unfortunately many people who are assaulted are psychologically damaged or cannot handle what happened emotionally, and it takes them time to get the "resolve" to actually speak out. Like I said I agree it would be best if everything was reported immediately simply so the predator can't assault others, but we also can't blame someone who is going through a form of PTSD for not thinking clearly.
Except when the assaulter actually admits the person was afraid. Someone who is afraid is not consenting, so the moment you admit someone you groped was afraid you admit you sexually assaulted them. There is no way around that. See my previous post for my details on this specific case.
Someone's popularity, is no reason to not hold them accountable, to the standards which they themself demand others be held to.
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Which is where the problem comes in. If they knew that the person was afraid. I think we can all agree that intentionally grabbing someone's buttocks or TRIBBLE is sexual harassment. However, certain comforting gestures, friendly gestures, and accidentally touching due to being pushed or not realizing someone is behind you is not. They could be unwanted gestures, but if their is no sexual intent, then it is not sexual harassment.
Bud, I'm telling you what Takei himself said. HE said he groped people who were AFRAID to try to "persuade" them. Those were HIS words.
And again I have to say this: if a man said the same thing about groping a woman, nobody with a brain would be trying to defend that statement. But for some reason people are trying to defend what Takei said, which was clearly assault.
The 'story' was that the guy passed out at Takei's house after a date and woke up to George groping him.
He got mad and left.
Sexual assault? yep.
But he got mad and left. End of story. They even dated again.
George didn't make him stay or say 'you will NEVER work in this city again if you leave!'
Does it make it ok? No.
But it didn't seem like it was a habitual thing. Just an after-date-attempt-to-get-some-gone-wrong
I know that is a no-no these days, but 40yrs ago? Commonplace.
> 'Afraid' wasn't used. he said 'skittish'
> and it wasn't 'them', it was 'him'
> THOSE were HIS words.
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> The 'story' was that the guy passed out at Takei's house after a date and woke up to George groping him.
> He got mad and left.
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> Sexual assault? yep.
> But he got mad and left. End of story. They even dated again.
> George didn't make him stay or say 'you will NEVER work in this city again if you leave!'
> Does it make it ok? No.
> But it didn't seem like it was a habitual thing. Just an after-date-attempt-to-get-some-gone-wrong
> I know that is a no-no these days, but 40yrs ago? Commonplace.
People also forget back then it was illegal to be homosexual or for two men/women to have sexual relationships.
Hollywood, it's Mos Easily, folks.
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Dude, you just told an outright lie. He said AFRAID right after the word skittish. Go to 45 seconds and hear for yourself:
If you are going to start off your post with an outright lie then there is no reason to read any further =(
I am talking in general, not about any particular case. I am not defending or accusing Takei since it is not my place. There is just too many times when someone is accused of sexual harassment when there was no sexual intent involved like a person bumps into another on a crowded train.
Humans are social creatures that need a hug. When people can't get a hug unless they say "Permission to hug granted. In 3...2...1.", then we will lose a part of our essence. This is what all these accusations are causing where it is not known if sexual harassment was actually involved. Where someone can ruin another's life just by the accusation and no evidence. Something as innocent as a comforting hug is perverted until people have to rely on nonphysical gestures. This is why I fear that Demolition Man is a documentary where all the things that cause enjoyment are removed like social contact, unhealthy, but addictive food, and other activities that make us human.
Well this thread happens to be about a particular case, and about the things Mr. Takei himself described doing. So all the general comments about hugs being misinterpreted don't really apply to this case.
Since it seems to be open season for sexual harassment accusations, general comments about hugs being misinterpreted and the resulting impact to society does apply. After all, it is all related to that Hollywood creep that started it all.
Calm down. prolly missed it when I alt-tabbed back into STO to hit button to join the MU queue. my bad man
I removed the error and I shall leave you to your controversy.
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All I can say is I've been "skittish" in intimate situations too. And it absolutely wasn't from a lack of desire. You're assuming a concrete no from a party that you can't prove ever made that clear. All you have is Takei's side of the story, with all the bias one can assume from that. Without the other side of the story, though, any judgement made is only half-informed.
All Takei's admitted to is tantamount to horseplay, nothing more.
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And time makes people forget and/or distort the details about certain situations.
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