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philosophere
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As we know there were issues with the coffers when released, and the last patch indicated they were fixed. So can I start using them?
Any news would be appreciated...
Any news would be appreciated...
Are we there yet?
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Thanks for the info.
Now I can dump all those provisions taking up precious bank space.....
Join Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010
One thing that does seem amiss is that the coffers do not auto-update as the automated collection makes its' contribution (continuous play at least). The only way to see what the fleets' gains are is to make a deposit; this then triggers all three coffers to update and display the current amounts.
Is this working as intended or should we make a bug report?
Join Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Full disclosure these times were still in the same calendar day, so perhaps it does update when the day switches over...?
As a temp workaround for this apparent coding misstep, always have a small supply of provisions (bat;lux; and/or ore) in your inventory. Contribute 10 to any coffer, and they all update to the current totals.
Just filled two colony projects from our coffers. This also updates the current totals.
It hasn't been "mucked up" in any way. They made it transparent for these provisions in a way that they never did for EC and Expertise. If the total needed was a round 400, like you posted, or anything that ended in a 0, it would take them all in one go. Most of the totals are not round like that, so the partial donation of less than 10 is a separate transaction, probably just to show you that you get the credit for 10, even though you're only donating 6, for example. Even this level of transparency is leaving people bewildered because they don't notice the feedback that they are given about the donations, leaving many to come here and think that it's bugged for not accepting their 4 provisions, even though they got credit for donating those 4 when they donated the other 6 to finish off a previous project.
Are they lying on the Slider when they say it requires 150 when they really mean 146?
I have donated close to 40k Provisions and about 900k Fleet Credits for this Holding. Did I ask for anything for this? No, I got 900k Fleet Credits, and noticed that two of my Characters had been promoted to Commodore without an ask. But if you are the type to sow dissension just get off the railroad at Finland Station and leave this Prolitariat alone.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Which project was this? None of the regular ones ends in a 0 in the basic or I versions. The slider doesn't give the correct total above it. the window in the project slot does. The slider will stop at the nearest 10, then take the remainder as an additional 10, but only subtract what was needed, just as I described above. One of the construction projects at Tier I was the only thing that I saw so far that ended in 0, but I donated to that out of the coffer, so I couldn't tell you if it would work with a direct donation without the additional step for the last 10 for certain, but my money's on it working just fine.
If the project doesn't end in a 0, then there's no way through direct donation that it would actually need 400, or 150, or whatever other multiple of 10 more at the end that you can imagine, since you can't donate less than 10 directly.
Or just check this video at about the 27:05 mark, you'll see that he donates 240 of his 250, then he donates again to finish it. The slider says 10, but the little info window for the project shows that it really needs 6. He gets credit for 10 but it will leave him with 4, even if he doesn't show it in his inventory. In fact, if you go a little bit earlier in the video, around 26:05, he had finished off another project, and even notes the 4 left in his inventory. Pay attention to the 33 fleet credits that he gets both of those times, as if he'd actually donated 10, and see the 4 left in his inventory when there would have been none. In other words: The donation slider "lies," but, in doing so, tells you what you're getting credit for.
The fact they came up with scr*w-ball odd numbers to begin with for needs and then implemented a 'tensies' system to donate shows just how out of touch they are. When you earn, you earn either 250 from the Mini-games and either 150 for each of two types or 300 for one type from the PVE Queues (Advanced), and then the Project requires 1,046 of that Provision to begin with. Oy!!
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I told them that this "batch of 10" nonsense was a bad idea when it appeared on Tribble a week before the release of Season 14. And I told them again shortly after release. The way they manage the development of their software is really puzzling. It's as if someone sat around and thought, "How can I make the lives of our programmers and QA harder a week before release?"
Something is really messed up with the coding, lord knows what they have done to make this system so goddamed complex.
Which makes it an utterly stupid system to begin with.
What was wrong with just having it work like the previous holdings or EVERY OTHER PROJECT IN THE GAME where you can donate what you want in terms of volume. You can drop 1000's to fill a slider, or only 1 if that's all you got.
This new system is completely user unfriendly.
The coffer system is a great improvement, but it is being undercut by other shoddy mechanics.
I agree and expand that statement to the entire new holding as such. 60-80 mil Dil in cost is quiet a turn off with the nonsensical provisions only a minor part in it.
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> What was wrong with just having it work like the previous holdings or EVERY OTHER PROJECT IN THE GAME where you can donate what you want in terms of volume. You can drop 1000's to fill a slider, or only 1 if that's all you got.
Eh? It does indeed work like other contributions. EC in particular is .01 credits per EC, so this situation comes up all the time with EC. The only difference is that you don't notice it as much because it doesn't leave tiny stacks of 5EC in your inventory.
Yeah in total agreement on the dil cost. The provision that everyone made a huge fuss over are really not an issue once you get auto-collection going from T1 onwards. And with the colony invasion sim drowning you with 2k+ per type on a good run (which is getting really easy now people are learning the thing) they really are not a problem. In fact they are easier to acquire than anything else!
Yeah, true. But with EC it's all just one location it's stored and you have a million uses for that stuff. The way it is now you have 5 of each type left taking up 3 inventory slots.
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> No. The "situation" is players are left with 3 stacks of 1-9 items that can't be used for anything, which doesn't occur at all with EC.
They sell for good EC, or you can just recycle them.
Also forgot to mention, using the coffer was always safe, there was just a x10 error in what it was showing. No provisions were ever actually lost due to the display error.
Join Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010
That won't work, either, since you simply can't donate 5 unless you have 10 or more. You would need to get more, then donate to a project that only needed 5 so that you would end up with something that ended in 0.
They didn't even need to make the projects all end in 0 to avoid this, all that needed to be done was make the Fleet Credit reward a whole number. 3.3 per provision donated may have been wonderful for whatever their internal calculations of how many Fleet Credits a particular project should give was, but it's a needlessly confusing bit of nonsense facing the players.
Oh, and I just tested my hypothesis that this wouldn't happen for something that needs an exact multiple of 10. Using the coffers to fill a project to where it needed exactly 250 more. It's possible to donate odd amounts from the coffer since anything donated to it has already paid out its Fleet Credits. I then went and picked up 250 from one of the collecting assignments and it took it all in one shot. This system of needing 10 to donate any amount below 10 at least behaves exactly as I figured that it would, for what small comfort that is.