Scratch the paint?

omega6theta1 · August 2017

Is that skill not working for anyone else? It's not showing up on my buff bar anymore and I'm getting hammered by warp core breaches...at first I thought I was not in the pilot spec but I am and it's happening on every ship I use.
Bug report submitted last week but no reply as of yet.

grendelthewise · August 2017

I had the same problem. I still think there is no fix to it

captainpugwash1 · August 2017

same

meimeitoo · August 2017

It's isn't fixed, because I'm pretty sure it was one of them sneaky stealth nerfs.

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where2r1 · August 2017

Didn't they change the way immunity gets applied the last balance pass? I would assume: Scratch The Paint was effected.

Maybe someone else has the vitals on this...I have no time for research right now.

I am off to the salon, and I ain't missing my hair appointment for this.

saurializard · August 2017

meimeitoo wrote: »

It's isn't fixed, because I'm pretty sure it was one of them sneaky stealth nerfs.

Considering Scratch the Paint's SOLE purpose is to grant immunity to warp core breaches every X seconds. If the immunity really doesn't work anymore, it's a bug.

That's kinda like saying "hey, I can't steal cars in Grand THEFT AUTO V anymore, the devs must have nerfed this feature".

meimeitoo · August 2017

saurializard wrote: »

meimeitoo wrote: »

It's isn't fixed, because I'm pretty sure it was one of them sneaky stealth nerfs.

Considering Scratch the Paint's SOLE purpose is to grant immunity to warp core breaches every X seconds. If the immunity really doesn't work anymore, it's a bug.

That's kinda like saying "hey, I can't steal cars in Grand THEFT AUTO V anymore, the devs must have nerfed this feature".

Nevertheless, I fear it's part of some overall nerf they didn't tell us about.

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davefenestrator · August 2017

Are you sure it isn't the (60?) second timeout or getting hit by 2 breaches close together? If there's a clump of enemies they can chain explode for multi-core fun.

meimeitoo · August 2017

azrael605 wrote: »

But its not, cause it still works.

Cool. That's good to know.

where2r1 · August 2017

OK... BAK.

15s lockout between immunity. That means: Scratch the Paint will not work if it was within 15s of another immunity. Any immunity, it does not matter what it was.

If you are in a pilot ship, like I am....pilot maneuvers button activation triggers an immunity...locking you out of Scratch the Paint or any other immunity.

So, if that maneuver did not take you out of range of the warp core breach...or put you in the range of a different warp core breach......you are gonna get the full hit because of that 15s lockout.

(BTW...my hair looks fabulous! Not to say you can see my hair...or care...but I do. Sam is awesome!)

captainpugwash1 · August 2017

meimeitoo wrote: »

azrael605 wrote: »

But its not, cause it still works.

Cool. That's good to know.

Mine works when it feels like it sometimes spot on other times bang dead, could be bugged or ui lag.

ps started about 1-2 weeks ago.

where2r1 · August 2017

I noticed this in game last night, while playing with my Pilot Raptor.... got a good screen shot this morning. There is an icon that pops up on your status when that Damage Immunity Lockout is going...:

The icon with the red padlock on it.

meimeitoo · August 2017

where2r1 wrote: »

OK... BAK.

15s lockout between immunity. That means: Scratch the Paint will not work if it was within 15s of another immunity. Any immunity, it does not matter what it was.

If you are in a pilot ship, like I am....pilot maneuvers button activation triggers an immunity...locking you out of Scratch the Paint or any other immunity.

So, if that maneuver did not take you out of range of the warp core breach...or put you in the range of a different warp core breach......you are gonna get the full hit because of that 15s lockout.

(BTW...my hair looks fabulous! Not to say you can see my hair...or care...but I do. Sam is awesome!)

That's the best, and most lucid, explanation so far.

And LOL @ your hair.

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saurializard · August 2017

Let that be a lesson, kids: "don't let yourself getting easily triggered online! Otherwise, your space ship will blow the hell up because of the ship you sank nearby!"

where2r1 · August 2017

Playing around with my Pilot Raptor, again, tonight. There is one thing weird about this "Immunity Lockout"....now that I know to LOOK for it.... it seems to be UP and running more than it is down. LOL!

I purposefully stopped using the Pilot Maneuvers button tonight...so no immunity from the fancy button clicks.

So, I am assuming: something else in Pilot Specialization gives Immunity besides Scrape the Paint?
Or I run into more warp core breaches than I realized.

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Edit: It seems I have a Starship Trait called Improved Temporal Insight slotted...that gives me immunity. I don't have a lot of these Starship traits (because I don't care to level up T-6 ships) but this is the freebie from Delta Recruit.

https://sto.gamepedia.com/Trait:_Improved_Temporal_Insight

Also, Pilot Specialization has "Thick of It 2" which gives immunity:

Whenever "Turn the Other Cheek" becomes active on all four of your shield facings at the same time, you are granted a brief period of complete damage immunity. May only occur once every 30 seconds.
Immunity to All Damage for 4 sec

"Turn the Other Cheek" = On Damage: Reduces Damage to Shields by 20% to Opposite Shield Facing

And since I usually run with my shields pretty whittled down...I would not be the least bit surprised if "Thick of It 2" was putting me into "Immunity Lockout" once in a while. Uh, more than once in a while.

Frankly, not sure which is more important...I can usually survive a warp core breach by running (all those years in a raider taught me that).

What gets me are the torps. So, I am going to continue to practice avoiding torps with the Pilot Maneuver buttons and not worry about "Immunity Lockout" for "Scratch the Paint".

Your mileage may vary.

omega6theta1 · August 2017

Yesterday kept a close eye on my buffs in Borg RA's, after taking out a cube no immunity lockout so I flew close fullshields and health, after the breach no shields and 4% health ... did this in 3 RA's .... got destroyed outright the 2nd time and was taken down to 8% health the last time, all with no immunity lockout countdown showing. This was in my D7 fyi.

seaofsorrows · August 2017

omega6theta1 wrote: »

Yesterday kept a close eye on my buffs in Borg RA's, after taking out a cube no immunity lockout so I flew close fullshields and health, after the breach no shields and 4% health ... did this in 3 RA's .... got destroyed outright the 2nd time and was taken down to 8% health the last time, all with no immunity lockout countdown showing. This was in my D7 fyi.

This highlights 2 problems.. not only the issue with Scratch The Paint not working, but the ridiculous amount of damage currently done by Warp Core Breeches.

arionisa · August 2017

It's not just warp core breeches that do ridiculous damage. I was running Borg RA yesterday, deliberately staying out of range of everything but the Unimatrix in hopes of testing scratch the paint when it blew and didn't notice the danged plasma bolt coming my way. 1.4 MILLION damage ! ! !

where2r1 · August 2017

Well, I wonder if the statuses are not updating in a timely manner.

Because Borg does drain shields almost continuously.
And if you have Pilot Specialization active....you will also have "Thick of It 2" to contend with. You can't have one without the other.

Is the status actually telling us the real state of "immunity lockouts"??? How does a player test for that?

Reading line by line on the log isn't going to say if the "immunity lockout" icon was on the status at the correct time. I don't think a parser can either.

@engineerb4#4806 I know this isn't a bug report...does it need to be one for someone to check this?

Edit: some more information to focus this.

I am doing low end solo mission: Empire Defense: Borg. I CAN see "immunity lockout" up, almost continuously in battles. So, I assume, my status seems to be able to keep up.

I believe everyone else is doing high end Borg STF...multiplayer missions. Where there may be a problem with them seeing "immunity lockouts" in a timely manner.

Also, this may be an issue with "Thick of It 2" and "Scratch the Paint" and how this is reported with "immunity lockout" status. But then, I am only considering MY immunity settings...so you have to take that with a grain of salt.

It could be ALL the immunities together in a multiplayer mission...causing delay issues with the "immunity lockout" on status.

angrytarg · August 2017

arionisa wrote: »

It's not just warp core breeches that do ridiculous damage. I was running Borg RA yesterday, deliberately staying out of range of everything but the Unimatrix in hopes of testing scratch the paint when it blew and didn't notice the danged plasma bolt coming my way. 1.4 MILLION damage ! ! !

The plasma bolt is supposed to be insta-death/untankable though. It's the "V'Ger" bolt and only if you have a Connie refit you have a chance of tanking it

captainpugwash1 · August 2017

where2r1 wrote: »

Well, I wonder if the statuses are not updating in a timely manner.

Because Borg does drain shields almost continuously.
And if you have Pilot Specialization active....you will also have "Thick of It 2" to contend with. You can't have one without the other.

Is the status actually telling us the real state of "immunity lockouts"??? How does a player test for that?

Reading line by line on the log isn't going to say if the "immunity lockout" icon was on the status at the correct time. I don't think a parser can either.

@engineerb4#4806 I know this isn't a bug report...does it need to be one for someone to check this?

Edit: some more information to focus this.

I am doing low end solo mission: Empire Defense: Borg. I CAN see "immunity lockout" up, almost continuously in battles. So, I assume, my status seems to be able to keep up.

I believe everyone else is doing high end Borg STF...multiplayer missions. Where there may be a problem with them seeing "immunity lockouts" in a timely manner.

Also, this may be an issue with "Thick of It 2" and "Scratch the Paint" and how this is reported with "immunity lockout" status. But then, I am only considering MY immunity settings...so you have to take that with a grain of salt.

It could be ALL the immunities together in a multiplayer mission...causing delay issues with the "immunity lockout" on status.

i have seen a few time immunity appear above my ship but bang im dead, thought i was getting hit by something else but delay in working yes.

where2r1 · August 2017

Hmmmmm....I was playing tonight for a bit...going for the 25 kills for the Endeavor thing....

I noticed that I had red floaters for "immunity" flying up..... looked at my status expecting to see that "immunity lockout" icon but there was none!

Something is up. Because sometimes "immunity lockout" icon is in the status....so it works. I just can't tell under which circumstance it decides not to work.

omega6theta1 · August 2017

Yes, I see that sometimes where2r1, I also remember a few weeks ago there would be a buff that showed the scratch the paint icon , when I got hit by a breach it would go away, now there's no icon and im still getting massive damage if not outright destroyed with no immunity lockout countdown showing. Something is wonky, was hoping it would be in the patch notes bit that's a no-go, oh well, just gotta stay clear of the explosions until it's fixed I guess.

where2r1 · September 2017

omega6theta1 wrote: »

Yes, I see that sometimes where2r1, I also remember a few weeks ago there would be a buff that showed the scratch the paint icon , when I got hit by a breach it would go away, now there's no icon and im still getting massive damage if not outright destroyed with no immunity lockout countdown showing. Something is wonky, was hoping it would be in the patch notes bit that's a no-go, oh well, just gotta stay clear of the explosions until it's fixed I guess.

Yeah, something is not right... I removed that Improved Temporal Insight trait. (Activating any hull-restoring ability will grant your vessel a short period of immunity from all damage...once every 45 sec/4sec of immunity per.)

And running with "Scratch the Paint"/"Thick of It" ONLY....from Pilot Specialization, tonight.
And, now, I rarely see that "Immunity Lockout" activate on the status at all.

Although it does show up once in a while...still can't tell what it is triggering on.
As often as I am close to an exploding ship....I don't think it is on "Scratch the Paint".
Although, I did see immunity floaters once...but with no "Immunity Lockout" on the status.

It is kinda hard to watch for immunity floaters, a long string of moving status icons and the battle at the same time. I can't say I ever was really good at being aware of multiples of things on the screen...which is why I stick to solo stuff and episodes.

where2r1 · September 2017

I made a thread in the Bug Report Forum here:

https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1234047/state-of-immunity-lockout-in-status-unreliable

where2r1 · September 2017

Ah... here is the other problem with troubleshooting "Scratch the Paint" not only does one have to check for "Immunity Lockouts". One must also make sure it is 1 minute since the last time it was active.

So, it will be very rare if ever triggers, indeed.

Tonight...I will wait 1 min before I attack the next group...after I see that "Scratch the Paint" icon.

At the same time look for "immunity" floaters and see if I get the "Immunity Lockout" icon to come up on the status.

where2r1 · September 2017

So, last night strained my eyes and had to quit playing....

I was trying to get "Scratch the Paint" to activate on my status at all. It didn't ever do it.
And ended up focusing in on just those tiny status icons....forgot to look for immunity floaters.

All of my immunity lockouts came from "Turn the Cheek" activating on all four sides (you can watch and see 4 different "Turn the Cheek" icons and follow along with that)...which triggered "Thick of It".

When does the 1 minute count down between "Scratch the Paint" activation start? And does it restart from 1 minute every time a 15s immunity lockout starts/stops? And what does one have to do...sit without moving on top of the exploding ship????

where2r1 · September 2017

Happy to report to this thread: "Scratch the Paint" is working.
It will save your TRIBBLE from warp core explosions as long as you are within 2km of said explosion.

Bad news for Devs: "Scratch the Paint" will save players from warp core explosions every single time. Totally ignores "Immunity Lockout".

It works if player is within 2km of explosion...whether there is a "Immunity Lockout" active or not. And when it "procs"....it will not activate a "Immunity Lockout" on the player's status, either. All a player will see is one single red "immune" floater on the ship....no changes in the status at all. You don't even see "Scratch the Paint" icon.

NOTE: 60 seconds between activation does work.

Scratch the paint?

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