Retrain Token for Zen? Too much, or appropriate?

baudl · July 2017

I honestly would like to see what the Forum Community thinks about this issue. I'd say it should be free, for a simple reason: As you can change your ship with only a few clicks, it should be as easy to optimize your build to fit the ship you use. As I see it, a player is pretty much locked to the ship(class) and weapon types (energy/kinetic) because of the skill tree. Therefore it should be easier to change the skill tree to be able to swap ships (or weapons) more conveniently without gimping oneself.

peterconnorfirst · July 2017

Retraining your Captain should cost nothing.

For min-maxer the way how reskill works is a pain. It pains even twice as you not only have to pay for it, you even have to reset every single point as well. Traits disappear right along with a reskill and have to be reset. If I decide to reskill a toon (and some of mine I have reskilled 2 dozen times already the past 5 years) I’m literally blocked from playing for 30 minutes until everything is set right and double checked.

The obstacles an mmopg player faces to progress his characters should come out of the content the game offers and not out of such modalities. The fact that cryptic relies on them speaks for itself.

seaofsorrows · July 2017

Dilithium should be the currency to retrain your Captain.

A modest Dilithium cost seems fair to me. It's a currency that's valued but not overly difficult for anyone to attain.

As it sits right now, you can re-spec for Dilithum but you have to convert it to zen and the current cost to re-spec is around 30k Dilithium which is simply too high.

Most people that want to respec just simply want to move a couple points around, they aren't looking to do it over and over again. People have implied that this system would allow everyone to be a 'jack of all trades,' but I still don't see it. You're still limited to the abilities offered to your class and respec requires you to redo all your points and your traits.. it's not something I would want to do multiple times a day.

I think 2-4k Dilithium is a fair price to respec a character. Just my opinion.

warpangel · July 2017

Retraining your Captain should cost nothing.

The skill tree should work just like traits, specializations and everything else in the game. Changeable at will except during missions.

raahziel · July 2017

Dilithium should be the currency to retrain your Captain.

300 zen seems a bit much. I say that as someome who doesnt mind spending a bit of money on this game. I believe you get one free retrain but honestly there is a good chance you have already used it or perhaps things have changed a lot by the time you have a good grasp on the game.
At the start you are just clicking what ever sounds good without any sense of what you are doing. Perffectly normal but being stuck in place with a 300 zen barrier is a little much. First few should be a lot cheaper.

qjunior · July 2017

Ratrain Tokens should be bought with EC

Most games either allow you to retrain for free in social zones (basically outside missions, instances and combat) or charge you with an amount of ingame currency. The model here is quite expensive and in my case never used, only because my builds are never that specific and because I hoarded all the free respecs from subscribing and all. EC sink ftw.

where2r1 · July 2017

I don't care/know.

Didn't we already have this poll a week ago?

redspecter23 · July 2017

I think it might be a nice gesture to give one free (or EC) respec per character per game update then allow you to use the standard zen respec if you need any beyond that.

gilion · July 2017

Dilithium should be the currency to retrain your Captain.

I think you should be able to buy a respec with either Zen or Dil. Some people might say one or the other or both is redundant because of the Dil exchange, but I dont think that something like a respec should have a fluctuating price tag. 200 zen and whatever the avg Dil cost of that would be fair. I also think it should be reworked so you dont have to refund all your points every time. I dont believe it should be free however. It would be nice ya, but I agree with the devs that you're choices in skills need to be meaningful, something you take time to consider, not something you can change on a whim. I also believe it'll never happen because I have a feeling CBS will say it doesnt make sense for a seasoned tactical officer to suddenly forget years of training, and decide he wants a more science focus.

And for everyone complaining about how often skills change, that idk what to do. MAYBE give everyone a free respec every time there is a MAJOR change, but every time one skill gets updated? Everyone would just wait a few weeks for an update whether they have effected skills or not.

iamynaught · July 2017

Personally, I like the way City of Heroes did it, with the Respec Trials. They were a set of missions for a team that once completed granted a Respec (retrain) token.

Now, with how STO works, I think this type of setup would be perfectly viable, except have it capable of being solo'd due to how there may simply be times when you can't get a team together for it. Not everyone is going to want to respec at the same time. Not to mention that sometimes a build is messed up so badly that a player may not want to force their horrid build on others, hence the reason for needing a respec.

Create a mission that could be accessed on the players ship and is run on the ship's holodeck. The mission would simulate some type of training scenario, possibly with random enemies, on ground and in space. And shoot, this could even be a way to bring in "old" characters, ships and/or locations from the various series since this would be on the holodeck.

Once the mission is completed the player could then choose from a list of rewards, with a retrain token being one of them. Maybe some Dil, or Rep marks, or even a couple pieces of random, level appropriate Rare gear (one ground piece, one space piece). Limit the missions replayability for the retrain if it's something the Devs would want. Maybe a 20 hour timer for the same reward?

It doesn't need to be a quick mission, but it would have to be at least somewhat easy since it could be run by a player who is in desperate need of the retrain. Perhaps make it something comparable to "Surface Tension" so that it will require time to complete.

Anyway, that's how I would do it.

warpangel · July 2017

Retraining your Captain should cost nothing.

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qjunior wrote: »

Most games either allow you to retrain for free in social zones (basically outside missions, instances and combat) or charge you with an amount of ingame currency. The model here is quite expensive and in my case never used, only because my builds are never that specific and because I hoarded all the free respecs from subscribing and all. EC sink ftw.

Indeed, I too have never used any of the "free" respecs that have gone by...because if you only get a limited number of them, they aren't really free.

This game is way too easy for paid respecs. After the revamp wiped everything, I didn't even bother filling up most of my alts skilltrees at all for a long time. In fact I'm not sure if I've still got some toon with unassigned points today.

corelogik · July 2017

Ratrain Tokens should be bought with EC

I think retrains should cost EC. We need more EC sinks anyway. This would be a great way to introduce one.

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locutusofcactus · July 2017

Dilithium should be the currency to retrain your Captain.

like to be consistent how I spend my resources as I am a methodical person. I don't have rules of acquisition that guide my decisions but do have two primary reasons why I would rather purchase these with dil instead of zen.
1: I don't buy consumables from the c-store (aka anything in the boosts tab).
2: I use dilithium to increase my captains damage via upgrades. A re-spec token is similar in that way.

legendarylycan · July 2017

Ratrain Tokens should be bought with EC

we need EC sinks - BADLY

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meimeitoo · July 2017

Buying Retrain Tokens for Zen is alright.

@baddmoonrizin Wasn't there already a large topic like this?! Maybe a merge is in order.

meimeitoo · July 2017

Buying Retrain Tokens for Zen is alright.

shadowfang240 wrote: »

we need EC sinks - BADLY

Not badly. Fleet Project require quite a bit of EC too, these days.

baudl · July 2017

Retraining your Captain should cost nothing.

where2r1 wrote: »

Didn't we already have this poll a week ago?

wasn't a poll...although the title said so (little weird), it was in response to that post that I actually started this poll, to see what the forum community thinks about it in numbers.

Although I opted for no cost, anything better than the current system would be better. 300 Zen is simply too much...5 retrains for 300 Zen, yes, but one, no thx.

baddmoonrizin · July 2017

meimeitoo wrote: »

@baddmoonrizin Wasn't there already a large topic like this?! Maybe a merge is in order.

@meimeitoo Yes, there was (still is) a lengthy thread on this topic, but this one is a poll. Merging would destroy the polling data.

Retrain Token for Zen? Too much, or appropriate?

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