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sophlogimosophlogimo Member Posts: 6,507 Arc User
Subject sais it all: Would it be permissible to sell an account for in-game resources? The TOS, as I read them, wouldn't forbid it, or am I overlooking something?

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    Probably not.​​
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  • mainamaina Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Subject sais it all: Would it be permissible to sell an account for in-game resources? The TOS, as I read them, wouldn't forbid it, or am I overlooking something?

    14. License
    14.1Subject to these Terms and any applicable EULA, we grant to you, for your non-commercial and personal use only, a limited, non-exclusive, revocable, non-transferable and non-sublicensable license to access and use the Service and the Proprietary Materials.
    14.2 Except as expressly permitted in these Terms or in the applicable EULA, such license does not include, and you agree not to engage in, any: (a) resale, sublicense, lending or commercial use of the Service or the Proprietary Materials therein; (b) distribution, public performance or public display of any Proprietary Materials except in connection with game play in the ordinary course, (d) modifying, adapting, altering, enhancing, or otherwise making any derivative uses of any Games, game content or other Proprietary Materials, or any portion thereof ; (e) use of any data mining, robots or similar data gathering or extraction methods; (f) downloading (other than the page caching) of any portion of the Proprietary Materials or any information contained therein, except as expressly permitted on the Website; (g) reverse engineer or decompile the Proprietary Materials, or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Games or other software included in the Proprietary Materials; (h) any use of the Services or the Proprietary Materials other than for its intended purpose.
    14.3Any use of the Service or the Proprietary Materials other than as specifically authorized herein, without the prior written permission of us is strictly prohibited and will, at PWE’s option, terminate the license granted herein. Such unauthorized use may also violate applicable laws including without limitation copyright and trademark laws and applicable communications regulations and statutes. Unless explicitly stated herein, nothing in these Terms shall be construed as conferring any license to or rights in intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, implication or otherwise. This license is revocable at any time with or without cause.

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/about/terms
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,409 Arc User
    23. Official Service and Beta Testing

    23.1The Games are designed for play only as offered through our Service. You agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which the game may be played by others, such as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or give you an advantage in the use of the Services which is not authorized by us, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots’ and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for the games, except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by these Terms and the applicable EULA. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You do not have ownership of and may not sell, transfer, trade or auction any Accounts, characters, items, coin, Zen or Proprietary Materials, nor may you assist others in doing so, except as expressly authorized by us. We do not recognize any transfers occurring outside of the Service of anything related to the Service.
    I think it's pretty clear.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Not allowed AFAIK, in any MMO.

    Well, could you point me to the relevant section in the TOS or a statement by the devs about it for STO?

    Two other sections also prohibit account trading.
    • Your Account may only to be used by you. We are not responsible for any misuse of your Account or your User ID, you agree to accept all risks of misuse of and unauthorized access to your Account and to hold us and our affiliates harmless from and against any misuse use of your Account or your User ID, including, but not limited to, improper or unauthorized use by someone to whom you revealed your password.
    • Further, to the extent the assignments mentioned in paragraph 5.2 do not transfer any ownership interest in or to the Modifications [ie. your custom characters], you expressly grant to PWE, us and our licensors all consents, clearances and a non-exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, complete, sub licensable and irrevocable right to make, use, sell, offer for sale, import or otherwise exploit, re-post, publish, use, quote, adapt, translate, archive, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, syndicate, license, print, sublicense, distribute, transmit, broadcast, otherwise communicate, and publicly display and perform the Modifications, or any portion thereof, in any manner or form and in any medium or forum, whether now known or hereafter devised, without notice, acknowledgment or compensation to you. You waive and agree not to assert any moral or similar rights you may have in the Modifications for as far as is possible by applicable mandatory law.
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/about/terms

    The topic itself is also prohibited by the forum TOU.
    Sales and Trading
    You may not create posts and/or private messages that allude to, contain language, comments, references, links, symbols, terms and/or imagery about and/or promote, advertise and/or otherwise support, in any manner whether directly or indirectly, the purchase, sale and/or trade of any account, character and/or other game asset for out of game assets.
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1191393/perfect-world-entertainment-community-rules-and-policies

    This isn't something to be taken lightly. You can't do it and, even if you did, you are still liable for everything that happens on that account. This type of trade is a patently bad idea. For one, it's prohibited and will possibly result in disciplinary action of some kind (ex. account terminations, you have posted this here) and secondly it can't be moderated. While you (presumably) may trust the other person involved there's no way in hell this type of thing can be allowed on general principle because it's so easy to turn around into a scam (either way, buying or selling). The answer is simply: no.
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  • wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    yep, it is written under EULA, you sign a contract and agree never to sell accounts.
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  • flumfflumf Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    You should really read the terms of signing before clicking agree.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    flumf wrote: »
    You should really read the terms of signing before clicking agree.

    Wasn't there an extremely disturbing South Park episode about this?
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    Ya know... when I call in sick to work; I don't tell 'em I'm not really sick. (Unless sick of going to work counts.)
    Like the saying goes "getting caught is the crime" >:)
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