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T6 ships that don't (yet?) have a fleet variant??

mercurythefirstmercurythefirst Member Posts: 104 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
So
Tactical Escort - 3000 Zen - has fleet variant for 500 Zen
Pilot Escorts - 3000 Zen - has no upgrade path

Um... How do you expect me to buy the Pilot one when I can't even get it up to scratch?

Is it a case of "we haven't gotten around to it yet" or a case of "this is a noob trap to make people throw 30 bucks down the toilet"
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    mercurythefirst wrote: »
    So
    Tactical Escort - 3000 Zen - has fleet variant for 500 Zen
    Pilot Escorts - 3000 Zen - has no upgrade path

    Um... How do you expect me to buy the Pilot one when I can't even get it up to scratch?

    Is it a case of "we haven't gotten around to it yet" or a case of "this is a noob trap to make people throw 30 bucks down the toilet"

    the ships from the pilot 3 pack are already fleet level. all the three pack ships are like that.


    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    One of the primary differences between a "regular" T6 and a T6 Fleet ship is that a "regular" T6 only has 10 consoles, when they are upgraded to the Fleet version they get 11 consoles. The Tactical Escort is a "regular" T6 ship.

    Some T6 ships are sold as a Fleet version already with 11 consoles. These ships will never have an upgrade path to a Fleet version because they are already considered Fleet level ships. The Pilot Escorts are T6 Fleet level ships.
  • mercurythefirstmercurythefirst Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    nightken wrote: »
    mercurythefirst wrote: »
    So
    Tactical Escort - 3000 Zen - has fleet variant for 500 Zen
    Pilot Escorts - 3000 Zen - has no upgrade path

    Um... How do you expect me to buy the Pilot one when I can't even get it up to scratch?

    Is it a case of "we haven't gotten around to it yet" or a case of "this is a noob trap to make people throw 30 bucks down the toilet"

    the ships from the pilot 3 pack are already fleet level. all the three pack ships are like that.

    No the Pilot escorts have like 2800 less hull than both Tactical and Intelligence escorts once upgraded to fleet.
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    mercurythefirst wrote: »
    nightken wrote: »
    mercurythefirst wrote: »
    So
    Tactical Escort - 3000 Zen - has fleet variant for 500 Zen
    Pilot Escorts - 3000 Zen - has no upgrade path

    Um... How do you expect me to buy the Pilot one when I can't even get it up to scratch?

    Is it a case of "we haven't gotten around to it yet" or a case of "this is a noob trap to make people throw 30 bucks down the toilet"

    the ships from the pilot 3 pack are already fleet level. all the three pack ships are like that.

    No the Pilot escorts have like 2800 less hull than both Tactical and Intelligence escorts once upgraded to fleet.

    yes, some escort have lower hulls than other however that not about fleet level or not it's about different ship lines.


    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • darthkirkdarthkirk Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    pilot escorts have less hull than normal escorts they have pilot maneuvers to make up for it, take an intel or tactical escort take the same gear same skills put it on a pilot escort it will have slightly less hull, but pilot maneuvers make the difference
  • darthkirkdarthkirk Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    but yes they do are fleet level ships
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,564 Community Moderator
    Even with T5 there were certain ships that didn't have fleet versions because they were already up to Fleet Level. The T5 Vestas don't have a fleet variant because for all intents and purposes, they were already fleet level based on the number of consoles. Same goes for T6 ships. The Pilot Escorts, as mentioned above, are already fleet level based on the console slots. And when the Pilot Escorts came out, it was mentioned that they would have less Hull than a standard T6 Escort. However they have Pilot Maneuvers that allows one to actually EVADE attacks, which balances it out. A well timed side roll or reverse burst negates damage.

    The main defining feature of a Fleet Level ship is one extra console slot. Sure they generally also come with more Hull than the standard variant, but if a C-Store ship is ALREADY at Fleet Level console slots... then that's not an issue as there is no "standard" version to compare to.
    So compare the Pilot Escort to a Fleet T6 Tactical Escort... they should have the same total number of console slots. Now take that Pilot Escort and compare it to the standard T6 Tactical Escort. The Pilot should have 1 more than the Tactical Escort.

    Therefore... the Pilot Escort would already be comparable to a Fleet variant ship.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    Yup, 3 pk ships are already fleet quality ... count the consoles.
    10 = non-fleet quality.
    11 = fleet quality.
    They aren't getting any better unless T7 comes along.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,564 Community Moderator
    With the Spec trees... there's no need for T7. We're not getting vertical level progression, we're getting lateral. As long as they make more spec trees, we will get new ships. Besides... what fancy new mechanic would they add to T7 anyways? And what would a Lv 70 player be called? Emperor of the Galaxy?
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    The original pilot escorts are already at fleet level, OP. Meaning they already have 11 console slots.
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    With the Spec trees... there's no need for T7.


    But.. But... How am I going to get a ship with 12 or 13 consoles then?

    :'(:'(:'(
  • skullblits#4627 skullblits
    skullblits#4627
         Member Posts: 1,273 Arc User
    pay cryptic a handsome sum of money to make you one?
  • magniacapramagniacapra Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    Patrol escort pls. Only has T5U
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