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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    storules wrote: »
    There is no pattern to break the system but would be nice to bring them back as they so promised when they launched the first "Delta" recruits a while back.

    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Delta_Recruitment <- Click on the blog links at the botton and tell me exactly where they said they'd bring it back. I just looked around quick and couldn't find it.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    The point is that this is not normal time gated content (Like a 5th or 5th anniversary ship)

    This content is still in game and being worked on by Existing PC players and our new Console cousins.

    Cryptic themselves described it a long term project for your Alt Temporal agent to work towards:

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10048913-temporal-agent-recruitment

    I and I suspects other returning PC players would merely like to join in the "fun"

    Sadly this discussion is going nowhere (like very discussion ever created on the Internet I suppose.)

    Happy Gaming

    The point of the event was to create a Temporal Recruit and complete a certain amount of the content during the event. Having events and event rewards is standard for MMOs including Cryptic. The business reasons for time-limited events have been discussed many times.

    Cryptic was kind enough to allow recruits to finish their tasks at any speed that players wanted. This was much nicer of them than for SWTOR's copycat event where you needed to speedrun through content on 8 different characters before a deadline to get the full rewards.

    You've lost nothing except some rewards that can be replaced with grinding or cash monies, and the chance to play "hunt for the probe" on story maps. Your rep gear can be upgraded to Mk XIV Epic using tech upgrades, which is better than Mk XIII UR.
  • ffttfftt Member Posts: 715 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    Cryptic themselves described it a long term project for your Alt Temporal agent to work towards:

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10048913-temporal-agent-recruitment

    Quoted from the news post (emphasis added): For a limited time, these captains can become special temporal agents, recruited to track down and disable probes seeded throughout the timeline by the Na’kuhl and their allies.

    While later they also write that "Long-term dedication is also rewarded with new bonuses" I take that as meaning that long-term playing of the temporal agents created during the limited time event and not meaning the event itself was long-term.
    I and I suspects other returning PC players would merely like to join in the "fun"

    You can make an AoY character can you not? Sounds like you can join the "fun" to me. If it's only the rewards you're after (it's the only reason I made a recruit) as pointed out in other posts a majority of rewards are just time savers with the only other special rewards being a consultant DOff, the 'Critical Systems' & 'Rapid Support' traits, and improved versions of some other specialty traits. Missing out on those, you might as well as take issue with all the other potential event rewards missed during an absence of playing.
  • oldbaldgamer#9310 oldbaldgamer Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    Please lock the discussion
    fftt wrote: »
    Cryptic themselves described it a long term project for your Alt Temporal agent to work towards:

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10048913-temporal-agent-recruitment


    If it's only the rewards you're after (it's the only reason I made a recruit) .

    The bolded part is exactly my point, the main reason you created a temporal recruit was the fun of working towards the rewards.

    I'm not expecting them to change it just because I think it's a dumb Idea, I made the post in the hope perhaps a mod / Arc / Cryptic person might see it and pass along the comments, Its' just my feedback as a player.

    Finally for the very last time, I am well aware that games have time gated content, but as this content (the event part of it) is currently ongoing with no stated end date, I cannot for the life of me see why newer players cant start it. (Yes I am aware that I can start a ToS character but apart from the first 6/7 missions that form the tutorial, its just identical to the Main Fed character content that I have already played)

    It's always interesting to see other points of view, even if they don't agree with my own, Many thanks for those who managed to state their point of view in a mature manner

    As always have a nice day, and enjoy your Gaming

    If a mod would like to lock the discussion I would be grateful
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    It will be back, both events were very successful, you can be sure this event will repeat either the same or something similar.

    god I hope not, delta recruit was not too bad with only 40 objectives to complete and all of them attained by lv50, temporal recruits has a total of 85 objectives with some of them not attainable for a very long time after you have reached lv60 and filled a goodly amount of specializations, reputations, admiralty and DOFF's commendations.

    god only knows how many objectives we would get if they run another recruit event and how long it will take to fill them all, it makes me break out in goose bumps just thinking about it.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    Just came back to the game after 3 years away, had a blast playing through all the content that I missed.

    On reading about the Agents of yesterday content and bonuses (ultra rare gear unlock for all characters), I was pretty excited to start a temporal agent alt, On reaching ESD after playing the 23rd century missions (which were great) I didn't receive a transponder, a bit of googling and I find I'm too late.

    25% of the game (with a major bonus for the other 75 %) is unavailable for new and returning PC players. Its on Console, its available for characters created during the event (fleet chat confirmed they still are getting the bonuses etc), Just not available to new PC players.

    For a F2P game to have content locked behind a time gate and not even have it available to purchase for Zen in the store seems nonsense.

    It has really killed my enthusiasm to continue, or even to log in again.

    I hope that I have been misinformed, or just suffered a bug, I'm recently retired with enough time and a bit of cash to enjoy my hobbies, I am not feeling "entitled" I would just like to play the content that existing PC players and those on consoles can enjoy.

    Thanks for reading and for any helpful advice, As I say I hope I'm just misinformed, my google-Fu is declining in old age



    I hear ya, OP!

    It's the product of a very one-track minded person: passive-aggressively pester your playerbase into *having* to do this or that, lest they miss out (thus keeping them in the game). Works on players already in the game. Does not work you so well, as you found out the hard way, on folks who either just joined, or are returning players.

    And I agree, whilst I understand the perceived need to give us an incentive to do things *now*, something as basic as starting a whole new character should never be time-gated (in the sense of losing all boons if you're starting too late). At least with the Phoenix boxes you get a chance to 'catch up' on items. Like you said, returning players should at least be offered the chance to *buy* whatever they missed.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Just came back to the game after 3 years away, had a blast playing through all the content that I missed.

    On reading about the Agents of yesterday content and bonuses (ultra rare gear unlock for all characters), I was pretty excited to start a temporal agent alt, On reaching ESD after playing the 23rd century missions (which were great) I didn't receive a transponder, a bit of googling and I find I'm too late.

    25% of the game (with a major bonus for the other 75 %) is unavailable for new and returning PC players. Its on Console, its available for characters created during the event (fleet chat confirmed they still are getting the bonuses etc), Just not available to new PC players.

    For a F2P game to have content locked behind a time gate and not even have it available to purchase for Zen in the store seems nonsense.

    It has really killed my enthusiasm to continue, or even to log in again.

    I hope that I have been misinformed, or just suffered a bug, I'm recently retired with enough time and a bit of cash to enjoy my hobbies, I am not feeling "entitled" I would just like to play the content that existing PC players and those on consoles can enjoy.

    Thanks for reading and for any helpful advice, As I say I hope I'm just misinformed, my google-Fu is declining in old age



    I hear ya, OP!

    It's the product of a very one-track minded person: passive-aggressively pester your playerbase into *having* to do this or that, lest they miss out (thus keeping them in the game). Works on players already in the game. Does not work you so well, as you found out the hard way, on folks who either just joined, or are returning players.

    And I agree, whilst I understand the perceived need to give us an incentive to do things *now*, something as basic as starting a whole new character should never be time-gated (in the sense of losing all boons if you're starting too late). At least with the Phoenix boxes you get a chance to 'catch up' on items. Like you said, returning players should at least be offered the chance to *buy* whatever they missed.

    you can still create an AOY character and play the content the only stuff that is missing is the temporal event rewards for completing certain objectives with that character, you may think it right that having one faction from 4 that when created will always give these bonuses that none of the other factions have to offer, obviously cryptic can see that would be a folly.
    I am sure most of the rewards that cannot be attained by other means will be added to the Phoenix boxes during their next appearance anyway.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • ffttfftt Member Posts: 715 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    fftt wrote: »
    Cryptic themselves described it a long term project for your Alt Temporal agent to work towards:

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10048913-temporal-agent-recruitment

    Quoted from the news post (emphasis added): For a limited time, these captains can become special temporal agents, recruited to track down and disable probes seeded throughout the timeline by the Na’kuhl and their allies.

    While later they also write that "Long-term dedication is also rewarded with new bonuses" I take that as meaning that long-term playing of the temporal agents created during the limited time event and not meaning the event itself was long-term.
    I and I suspects other returning PC players would merely like to join in the "fun"

    You can make an AoY character can you not? Sounds like you can join the "fun" to me. If it's only the rewards you're after (it's the only reason I made a recruit) as pointed out in other posts a majority of rewards are just time savers with the only other special rewards being a consultant DOff, the 'Critical Systems' & 'Rapid Support' traits, and improved versions of some other specialty traits. Missing out on those, you might as well as take issue with all the other potential event rewards missed during an absence of playing.

    The bolded part is exactly my point, the main reason for creating a temporal recruit was the fun of working towards the rewards (as you are, and as was your motivation for creating the Alt)

    Then you mean your point is *getting* the rewards, not *working towards* them, as the game progression is the same (although I don't know if one now gets the minigames). I've written this before - I'm not a huge fan of limited time rewards either - but as I understand it is in the nature of MMOs to do such and there's nothing to do but accept it. The only thing I can add is that Cryptic recently made the precedent of Pheonix Boxes, a way for characters to get previously limited rewards. Maybe they'll have a phoenix event again and maybe they'll add the temporal event rewards to it. If they do I'll tell you this, I would put higher priorities on getting previous rewards other than the ones gained by making a time recruit.

    EDIT: And believe me, I consider getting all the unlocks much more of a chore past the first six missions than any fun. My AoY character is nothing more than a mule that, now created, I am not looking forward to grind through any future events. I'm thinking it'll just be easier to wait for the next phoenix event than grind 'em through future Breach or Mirror events.
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  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    The bolded part is exactly my point, the main reason you created a temporal recruit was the fun of working towards the rewards.
    No. Only some people created those for that specific reason. Some of us did it because we wanted to play that TOS content and the rewards were just a bonus.

  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Just came back to the game after 3 years away, had a blast playing through all the content that I missed.

    On reading about the Agents of yesterday content and bonuses (ultra rare gear unlock for all characters), I was pretty excited to start a temporal agent alt, On reaching ESD after playing the 23rd century missions (which were great) I didn't receive a transponder, a bit of googling and I find I'm too late.

    25% of the game (with a major bonus for the other 75 %) is unavailable for new and returning PC players. Its on Console, its available for characters created during the event (fleet chat confirmed they still are getting the bonuses etc), Just not available to new PC players.

    For a F2P game to have content locked behind a time gate and not even have it available to purchase for Zen in the store seems nonsense.

    It has really killed my enthusiasm to continue, or even to log in again.

    I hope that I have been misinformed, or just suffered a bug, I'm recently retired with enough time and a bit of cash to enjoy my hobbies, I am not feeling "entitled" I would just like to play the content that existing PC players and those on consoles can enjoy.

    Thanks for reading and for any helpful advice, As I say I hope I'm just misinformed, my google-Fu is declining in old age



    I hear ya, OP!

    It's the product of a very one-track minded person: passive-aggressively pester your playerbase into *having* to do this or that, lest they miss out (thus keeping them in the game). Works on players already in the game. Does not work you so well, as you found out the hard way, on folks who either just joined, or are returning players.

    And I agree, whilst I understand the perceived need to give us an incentive to do things *now*, something as basic as starting a whole new character should never be time-gated (in the sense of losing all boons if you're starting too late). At least with the Phoenix boxes you get a chance to 'catch up' on items. Like you said, returning players should at least be offered the chance to *buy* whatever they missed.

    you can still create an AOY character and play the content the only stuff that is missing is the temporal event rewards for completing certain objectives with that character, you may think it right that having one faction from 4 that when created will always give these bonuses that none of the other factions have to offer, obviously cryptic can see that would be a folly.


    No, I'm saying (with the OP), that new players should always have the option to buy into stuff these missed out on.

    as I amended in my last comment I am sure the most important ones will be added to the Phoenix boxes at some point anyway so this should help out anyone who missed them.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Just came back to the game after 3 years away, had a blast playing through all the content that I missed.

    On reading about the Agents of yesterday content and bonuses (ultra rare gear unlock for all characters), I was pretty excited to start a temporal agent alt, On reaching ESD after playing the 23rd century missions (which were great) I didn't receive a transponder, a bit of googling and I find I'm too late.

    25% of the game (with a major bonus for the other 75 %) is unavailable for new and returning PC players. Its on Console, its available for characters created during the event (fleet chat confirmed they still are getting the bonuses etc), Just not available to new PC players.

    For a F2P game to have content locked behind a time gate and not even have it available to purchase for Zen in the store seems nonsense.

    It has really killed my enthusiasm to continue, or even to log in again.

    I hope that I have been misinformed, or just suffered a bug, I'm recently retired with enough time and a bit of cash to enjoy my hobbies, I am not feeling "entitled" I would just like to play the content that existing PC players and those on consoles can enjoy.

    Thanks for reading and for any helpful advice, As I say I hope I'm just misinformed, my google-Fu is declining in old age



    I hear ya, OP!

    It's the product of a very one-track minded person: passive-aggressively pester your playerbase into *having* to do this or that, lest they miss out (thus keeping them in the game). Works on players already in the game. Does not work you so well, as you found out the hard way, on folks who either just joined, or are returning players.

    And I agree, whilst I understand the perceived need to give us an incentive to do things *now*, something as basic as starting a whole new character should never be time-gated (in the sense of losing all boons if you're starting too late). At least with the Phoenix boxes you get a chance to 'catch up' on items. Like you said, returning players should at least be offered the chance to *buy* whatever they missed.

    you can still create an AOY character and play the content the only stuff that is missing is the temporal event rewards for completing certain objectives with that character, you may think it right that having one faction from 4 that when created will always give these bonuses that none of the other factions have to offer, obviously cryptic can see that would be a folly.


    No, I'm saying (with the OP), that new players should always have the option to buy into stuff these missed out on.

    as I amended in my last comment I am sure the most important ones will be added to the Phoenix boxes at some point anyway so this should help out anyone who missed them.


    Yes. And I really hope they're doing that!

    P.S. Thanks for qouting me, LOL. Seems Cryptic ate my last post. :)
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    garaks31 wrote: »
    yep nice idea should be buyable 19k zen
    More like a million Zen. As the old saying goes you snooze you loose. Frankly the AOY goodie is ok but not needed to enjoy the expanison. But hey OP you come across as a "Whaaa I'm special and deserve everything with no effort put in on my part." player. So what you missed an event BFD. It isn't 25% of the game not even freaking close. No unique mission so you din't mess anything there. Just a few perks for doing a grind. I guess the concept of a "Limited time reward/event/offer" is beyond you. Want a real life lesson in that? Go to you Nissan dealer tell them you want the sold out (AFIK) Rogue 1 Limited edition because you are a Star wars fan and it's not fair they only made 5000 of them available world wide. Good luck with that.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    The point is that this is not normal time gated content (Like a 5th or 5th anniversary ship)

    This content is still in game and being worked on by Existing PC players and our new Console cousins.

    Cryptic themselves described it a long term project for your Alt Temporal agent to work towards:

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10048913-temporal-agent-recruitment

    I and I suspects other returning PC players would merely like to join in the "fun"

    Sadly this discussion is going nowhere (like very discussion ever created on the Internet I suppose.)

    Happy Gaming

    In other words OP you put your hands over your ears and are going "LALALALA I CAN"T HEAR YOU LALALALA!" because your reality doesn't fit my special snowflake version of the game. Oh yeah the "Long Term" was the various goals in the game like reach level 20 with your temporal agent and so on.
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,918 Arc User
    tempus64 wrote: »
    The bolded part is exactly my point, the main reason you created a temporal recruit was the fun of working towards the rewards.
    No. Only some people created those for that specific reason. Some of us did it because we wanted to play that TOS content and the rewards were just a bonus.

    The bolded part is why I created my Jax. The goodies are only a bonus and I intend to keep playing him. Same for my DR, Aurora. She will still get played even after she completes all her objectives.

    Yes, I'm lazy lol. Neither of mine have completed all of their objectives yet. But they're getting there.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    tempus64 wrote: »
    The bolded part is exactly my point, the main reason you created a temporal recruit was the fun of working towards the rewards.
    No. Only some people created those for that specific reason. Some of us did it because we wanted to play that TOS content and the rewards were just a bonus.

    The bolded part is why I created my Jax. The goodies are only a bonus and I intend to keep playing him. Same for my DR, Aurora. She will still get played even after she completes all her objectives.

    Yes, I'm lazy lol. Neither of mine have completed all of their objectives yet. But they're getting there.

    Same here. My TOS engineer captain is top of the fleet leaderboard for the K-13 holding, and now has his Nomad and Methuselah drones to bring to the ground arena event tomorrow :) . I created him to play the AoY content and to run around in a TOS uniform with TOS bridge officers, a TOS phaser rifle, etc. The temporal recruit rewards were just a nice bonus.

  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    Yeah, basically all the "content" of AoY is still available (23c missions, TOS-era ships/outfits/effects, K-13 holding, etc). Only thing that might be considered "content" that isn't is the reward trait - every other reward is just stuff you can already get in-game with different effort (marks, dil, ec, upgraded gear). Is it an amazing bonus to get your rep gear at Mk13UR automatically? Yep. Is it 'content'? Uh, no.

    edit: oh, right. There's one other thing you can't get - some doffs. Eh. /shrug

    If I was joining the game post-recruitment, I'd still make an AoY character to experience the actual AoY content - the missions.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    kiralyn wrote: »
    Is it an amazing bonus to get your rep gear at Mk13UR automatically? Yep. Is it 'content'? Uh, no.


    The OP was specifically talking about "content AND bonuses (ultra rare gear unlock for all characters)." Indeed, that's a major boon to miss out on, like for ever.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Just came back to the game after 3 years away, had a blast playing through all the content that I missed.

    On reading about the Agents of yesterday content and bonuses (ultra rare gear unlock for all characters), I was pretty excited to start a temporal agent alt, On reaching ESD after playing the 23rd century missions (which were great) I didn't receive a transponder, a bit of googling and I find I'm too late.

    25% of the game (with a major bonus for the other 75 %) is unavailable for new and returning PC players. Its on Console, its available for characters created during the event (fleet chat confirmed they still are getting the bonuses etc), Just not available to new PC players.

    For a F2P game to have content locked behind a time gate and not even have it available to purchase for Zen in the store seems nonsense.

    It has really killed my enthusiasm to continue, or even to log in again.

    I hope that I have been misinformed, or just suffered a bug, I'm recently retired with enough time and a bit of cash to enjoy my hobbies, I am not feeling "entitled" I would just like to play the content that existing PC players and those on consoles can enjoy.

    Thanks for reading and for any helpful advice, As I say I hope I'm just misinformed, my google-Fu is declining in old age



    I hear ya, OP!

    It's the product of a very one-track minded person: passive-aggressively pester your playerbase into *having* to do this or that, lest they miss out (thus keeping them in the game). Works on players already in the game. Does not work you so well, as you found out the hard way, on folks who either just joined, or are returning players.

    And I agree, whilst I understand the perceived need to give us an incentive to do things *now*, something as basic as starting a whole new character should never be time-gated (in the sense of losing all boons if you're starting too late). At least with the Phoenix boxes you get a chance to 'catch up' on items. Like you said, returning players should at least be offered the chance to *buy* whatever they missed.

    you can still create an AOY character and play the content the only stuff that is missing is the temporal event rewards for completing certain objectives with that character, you may think it right that having one faction from 4 that when created will always give these bonuses that none of the other factions have to offer, obviously cryptic can see that would be a folly.


    No, I'm saying (with the OP), that new players should always have the option to buy into stuff these missed out on.

    as I amended in my last comment I am sure the most important ones will be added to the Phoenix boxes at some point anyway so this should help out anyone who missed them.


    Yes. And I really hope they're doing that!

    P.S. Thanks for qouting me, LOL. Seems Cryptic ate my last post. :)

    don't blame them, your post are always full of flavour even when they are sometimes hard to swallow.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    It will be back, both events were very successful, you can be sure this event will repeat either the same or something similar.

    god I hope not, delta recruit was not too bad with only 40 objectives to complete and all of them attained by lv50, temporal recruits has a total of 85 objectives with some of them not attainable for a very long time after you have reached lv60 and filled a goodly amount of specializations, reputations, admiralty and DOFF's commendations.

    god only knows how many objectives we would get if they run another recruit event and how long it will take to fill them all, it makes me break out in goose bumps just thinking about it.

    While previously it did not bothered me much I missed that event with my AoY char I now tend to be kind of... glad I missed it.
  • necaradan666necaradan666 Member Posts: 83 Arc User
    Too bad man.. I logged in for two minutes during the event and made a toon, 4 months later when I felt like playing STO again I had her waiting there ready to start earning the account wide rewards, which would have been terrible to miss because that instant upgrade to Mk13 UR rep gear is an incredible bonus. She's now more powerful than my main ever was.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    Yeah... not alot of sympathy that you missed stuff while away for 3yrs. Hopefully you have a LTS? At least then you'd have 18,000 Zen to spend! ;)
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