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Cryptic seriously dropped the ball with the Mirror Universe.

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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    risian4 wrote: »
    Leeta dreams of power and conquest, but in reality she's a genuine Coward, who bails when things are getting too tough.... every single time.

    Much like Mirror Archer. Using grav plating and a full team to take out one Gorn.

    The whole Mirror Universe is just a bunch of unstable morons and cowards.

    Unstable: look how she destroyed one of her own ships just to give off a signal that she won't tolerate mutiny. Like they have that much ships to spare after all their defeats. Or how she almost killed her own first officer by not being able to control herself and throwing knifes across her own bridge.

    Cowards: as in they'll strike from behind in their ever-lasting opportunism.

    I honestly don't understand why people like the Mirror Universe so much. Besides the moronic behaviour of some of its major characters, their whole universe and its major factions seem to be one giant failure and it's hard to identify with any of it.

    I absolutely agree. And I don't like it at all.

    As have said elsewhere, I personally, don't find the MU even remotely interesting. I loathe STO's interpretation of them; I mean, the Terrans were never shown as being particularly bright but it really does take a special kind of stupid to learn absolutely nothing from being slaves, or the mistakes their ancestors made.

    But as I said, I don't like the MU in general. I found the episodes involving it boring and predictable. As First TV Drama states, when reviewing 'In a Mirror Darkly':

    The entertainment value of this episode comes from the fact that it's set in an alternate universe or an alternate timeline or a dream scenario where the writers can do anything they want to create excitement and suspense, and create the illusion that big stuff is really happening, like killing off a main character or blowing up the ship, both of which happened here. Because in the end it's a "Reset Button" episode and none of it effects our main characters on the "real" show. When you visit an alternate universe, as a writer, you have no obligation to keep everything the same and you don't have any long-term consequences to deal with if you blow everything up. So you do. And therefore it's more exciting. Even though in the end nothing happened to the main characters at all and you're back to where you started.




    Learn from their mistakes? The Terran Empire was dissolved by Emperor Spock and reformed into something less violent ... then the Alliance came along and conquered them. The mistake was allowing Spock to complete his reforms which left the Terran Empire vulnerable.

    That is assuming these events still happened after Leeta screwed around with the MU timeline (Mirror Iconian War). If Leeta screwed around with the timeline enough, maybe the Empire didn't fall?


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  • galattgalatt Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    Where's mirror Morn? The true master mind of the MU?
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    The main problem is where is Admiral Leeta's goatee? Everyone from the Mirror Universe is supposed to have a goatee to distinguish them from their counterparts.

    I've seen it. Trust me. You really don't want to know where it is.

    I now have the strangest boner....
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  • soultraincohsoultraincoh Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    The thing about the Mirror Universe is, that it is mostly the same physical laws, but people's motivations and psyches are flipped. The reason Mirror Spock was, well, able to be reasoned with, was that he didn't flip that much. And then Prime Kirk hands over the keys to the Tantalus McGuffin. Yeah, that'll leave a mark on history.

    There's discontinuity all over the place. The Enterprise version showed that the First Contact meeting with the Vulcans was where it 'started' (leading one to believe that possibly Picard and Co fighting off the Borg in front of Lily Sloane was the trigger) yet in the montage of that show, it shows a Terran Empire flag on the Apollo landing site, which happened hundreds of years before FC.

    I guess the MU is indeed some kind of "improbable universe" or "Bizarro world" that defies all logic, yet still maintains its cohesion. I do like their fashion sense though. So there's that.

    (I want to know where Mirror Guinan and Mirror Soran are. Those two having such an innate sense of 'proper timelines' would be VERY well positioned in the MU.)
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    I think of the Mirror Universe as a "satellite reality" to the prime universe. It's not 'separate and equal'... it's ABSOLUTELY drawn along in the prime universe's wake. There is simply NO WAY you could get the dramatically convenient congruence of characters across decades and even centuries. The Mirror Universe is forced into a particular shape the same way your shadow has no say in it's resemblance to your body. You can get weird distortions, you might even deliberately cast shadow puppets that remind the viewer of other forms, but unless you're Peter Pan it can't go wandering all that far.

    If you knew you hailed from a satellite reality - that your whole existence was a dramatically amplified play, a bit of fiction that only imperfectly reflected real events, and not a true, independent destiny, the impulse to breach and make a splash in the next higher 'real-er world" could be quite irresistible.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    Exactly - and by classing it as a "satellite reality" you acknowledge that what would a trope in fiction is a physical law of your universe. It's not coincidence or bad writing... its inescapable.

    And to me it's sort of amusing when your own shadow reaches out and sincerely tries to strangle you.
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    jmadfour wrote: »
    Leeta isn't in charge of the Mirror Universe, The Emperor is, and no one knows who he is, besides the fact hes a Terran male who got godlike powers from some event

    Emperor Kurland here.

    *facepalm*

    Omg that would about the best and most hillarious plot twist of all time xD
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  • undedavengerundedavenger Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    Still, there was a time when Leeta was not the MU villain in charge of everything. And that character is related to the DS9 Mirror stories.
    Leeta isn't in charge of the Mirror Universe, The Emperor is, and no one knows who he is, besides the fact hes a Terran male who got godlike powers from some event

    It's mirror Reg Barklay!
    Nothing breaks the tension better than a tankard of warnog - except maybe a good brawl...
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  • undedavengerundedavenger Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    It's mirror Reg Barklay!
    Mirror Bashir

    Or Mirror Wesley Crusher!
    Nothing breaks the tension better than a tankard of warnog - except maybe a good brawl...
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    Still, there was a time when Leeta was not the MU villain in charge of everything. And that character is related to the DS9 Mirror stories.
    Leeta isn't in charge of the Mirror Universe, The Emperor is, and no one knows who he is, besides the fact hes a Terran male who got godlike powers from some event

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