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Cryptic seriously dropped the ball with the Mirror Universe.

emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
By not having a single mirror version of any of the other in-game characters.

I have nothing against Chase Masterson and I do appreciate her reprising a role from 20 years ago to enrich the STO universe, but I also don't feel ashamed to confess that Leeta was not really a DS9 character I invested much in.

Where's Jorel, the drunken derelict who just needs a little inspiration to start a resistance against the Terran Empire? Where's Grand Inquisitor D'tan, the Romulan judge obsessed with ideological purity? Where's J'mpok the pacifist who languished in Regent Worf's prison of the dishonoured and had a chance to escapee when the Terran Empire conquered the Klingons?

But most importantly: Where the heck is Mirror Shon with his white goatee?

Cryptic writers, start taking some notes.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    They're in the Foundry, Cryptic has created a number of Mirror versions of STO characters and dev personalities (Quinn, Shon, T'nae, Drake, Zero, ect.). The question is: will there ever be another MU episode that has the space to develop these other characters. So far, I think the answer to that has been no (Leeta, being a significant multi-arc villain who worked her way into another plot thread, has needed the involvement and character development). But from the way the last episode ended there's certainly room for more.
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  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    I get that Mirror Leeta's supposed to be a big important villain from Trek's canon past, but she ain't no Sela.

    It's like watching Kim Jong Un aspiring to be Joseph Stalin.
  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    Leeta dreams of power and conquest, but in reality she's a genuine Coward, who bails when things are getting too tough.... every single time.
    "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    Mirror Molly O'Brien used to be the villain in the first set of Mirror U missions. Way back when.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    Leeta dreams of power and conquest, but in reality she's a genuine Coward, who bails when things are getting too tough.... every single time.

    Much like Mirror Archer. Using grav plating and a full team to take out one Gorn.

    The whole Mirror Universe is just a bunch of unstable morons and cowards.

    Unstable: look how she destroyed one of her own ships just to give off a signal that she won't tolerate mutiny. Like they have that much ships to spare after all their defeats. Or how she almost killed her own first officer by not being able to control herself and throwing knifes across her own bridge.

    Cowards: as in they'll strike from behind in their ever-lasting opportunism.

    I honestly don't understand why people like the Mirror Universe so much. Besides the moronic behaviour of some of its major characters, their whole universe and its major factions seem to be one giant failure and it's hard to identify with any of it.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    I get that Mirror Leeta's supposed to be a big important villain from Trek's canon past, but she ain't no Sela.

    It's like watching Kim Jong Un aspiring to be Joseph Stalin.

    Not every villain has to play to the same type (incompetence is a valid character trait.)
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    Not every villain has to play to the same type (incompetence is a valid character trait.)
    Incompetence is a requirement for a Star Trek villain.

  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    Mirror Molly O'Brien used to be the villain in the first set of Mirror U missions. Way back when.

    Incorrect, it was James O'Brien.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    Mirror Molly O'Brien used to be the villain in the first set of Mirror U missions. Way back when.

    Incorrect, it was James O'Brien.

    Ah. Ok. It's been awhile.

    Still, there was a time when Leeta was not the MU villain in charge of everything. And that character is related to the DS9 Mirror stories.
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  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    I'm sure we'll see plenty more of the Mirror Universe in the future. Leeta is still an active threat, and we've yet to even encounter the Terran Emperor himself.
    I imagine we may even see an entire update dedicated to resolving the Mirror Invasion once and for all. Might even see the return of "DS9 Under Siege!" in some form, considering even the True Way is involved in Mirror Universe nonsense.
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  • lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,415 Arc User
    I get that Mirror Leeta's supposed to be a big important villain from Trek's canon past, but she ain't no Sela.

    It's like watching Kim Jong Un aspiring to be Joseph Stalin.

    XD Good comparison! So true!
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  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    sorceror01 wrote: »
    Might even see the return of "DS9 Under Siege!" in some form, considering even the True Way is involved in Mirror Universe nonsense.
    IIRC, the "Assult on Terok Nor" and "Counterpoint" queues ARE the replacements for "DS9 Under Siege" and "Foxes and Hounds" queues that got removed ages ago.

    Ah I always figured as much. Now if only completing either gave you the old floor trophy like way back when, lol.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    Still, there was a time when Leeta was not the MU villain in charge of everything. And that character is related to the DS9 Mirror stories.
    Leeta isn't in charge of the Mirror Universe, The Emperor is, and no one knows who he is, besides the fact hes a Terran male who got godlike powers from some event

    She's been the villain leading the MU invasions and the MU forces. The figurehead for now. My point was, in the past that was not her.

    That they did use an O'Brien, which was tied to the canon episode and the character of Smiley.

    And who know what the future holds? Possibly it's all just Mirror Agent Daniels or even the Time Trapper himself.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    The main problem is where is Admiral Leeta's goatee? Everyone from the Mirror Universe is supposed to have a goatee to distinguish them from their counterparts.
  • littlesarbonnlittlesarbonn Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    The main problem is where is Admiral Leeta's goatee? Everyone from the Mirror Universe is supposed to have a goatee to distinguish them from their counterparts.

    I've seen it. Trust me. You really don't want to know where it is.

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  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    The main problem is where is Admiral Leeta's goatee? Everyone from the Mirror Universe is supposed to have a goatee to distinguish them from their counterparts.

    I hear she shaves it. The goatee, I mean...
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    That's what those blades are for.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    I don't really care who the characters are. I just want them to be a credible threat for once.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    I don't really care who the characters are. I just want them to be a credible threat for once.

    Face it, NOBODY is a threat to us, the almighty player characters. We have Mk 25 Plot Armor, as we are the Designated Heroes. None can stand against us.​​

    It is not impossible to do it temporarily. Mind Game and Coliseum are both missions where the almighty player character is imprisoned and barely escapes. Mind Game had an undercover agent remove the brainwashing while Coliseum had us transported just before our characters were killed. The Battle of Caleb IV requires temporal interference to save our crew. Our character's past selves were destroyed and they were killed in action over 100 years ago.
  • sylveriareldensylveriarelden Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    Eh, personally I think they could have done better by releasing an expansive mirror universe locale- such as an entire sector but "mirrored".

    Perhaps it's "on the drawing board" and they'll release it in the future as an entire Episode line.

    Having more than one Mirror Universe character featured in Episodes is fine for immersion, yes- but it would have served them much better if they had utilized the timeline/mirror premise for more than just a Fed-related content expansion with an alternate tutorial, IMO.
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  • discojerdiscojer Member Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    The Mirror universe is impossible. At least to the point of having everyone in the regular universe have a counterpart. Because had even one major thing changed in history, then everyone would be different.

    Not only would you have to have the exact same parents in both universes (which would be unlikely), you'd have to be conceived at the same exact instant.

    I mean, I realize this is Star Trek, which requires you to believe several impossible things. But the mirror universe just breaks simple logic. So the less we see of it, the better.
  • sylveriareldensylveriarelden Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    discojer wrote: »
    So the less we see of it, the better.

    Ignoring a problem doesn't make it "go away".

    It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.

    Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
  • ussdelphin2ussdelphin2 Member Posts: 525 Arc User
    I'd like to fight my mirror counterparts like I used to in Cryptics superhero game with my nemesis.
    How I picture a lot of the forumites :P
  • jaymadiv#8056 jaymadiv Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    Leeta isn't in charge of the Mirror Universe, The Emperor is, and no one knows who he is, besides the fact hes a Terran male who got godlike powers from some event

    Emperor Kurland here.
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  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    @jmadfour Emperor Kurland hah that would be awesome!
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