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Tier 6 T'Liss - Malem/T'Varo Deluxe

mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
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Looks like we'll finally have the Tier 6 T'Liss. But like the Romulan Carrier, it's in a lockbox type thing, not a regular C-Store ship.

Everyone talks about the Connie in that pack, but are there any Romulan fans that are excited about this ship and are willing to go through the hassle of securing Zen or EC to get this ship?

Stat Wise, it seems simply superior to the Malem. Better weapon loadout, better bridge officer seating. Heck, it might be better than the Pilot Ships (except I'd really miss the pilot maneuvers).
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    Destabilized Plasma Torpedo console beats the Molecular Deconstruction Beam gimmick every day of the week. Commander Tac/Temporal is ok, but not amazing. Both the T'liss [T6] and the Malem have a Lt Comm Pilot/Uni seat, so nothing much there.

    If the Doom Torpedo can be slotted on the T'liss, I'll revise my opinion, but as it is now, the Malem edges out the T'liss. If you are not a T'liss super-fan, there is no reason to get it.
  • harlequinpixieharlequinpixie Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    Not going to go through the hassle for yet another escort. I've been hoping for a science ship for so long, but got fed up (Pun intended) with that idea. Besides, putting it in a lock box/R&D pack is a bigger insult as the Romulans are already hurting for a selection of ships.

    Seeing as I enjoy playing my Romulan none BFAW science officer much more than any of my feds. I'd gladly pay the C-Store for a science ship, and not a gamble pack. As it is now, I'm using a alien ship from a lock box, because the Romulans lack any T6 science ship.

    As for the Connie, I don't care about it, it's just another fed ship. And the ships for Klingons and Romulans are something we already have in a different costume, with a slightly different bridge layout.

    To sum it up, it's just another escort.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    I plan to spend $20 and divide my purchases into one group for klingon, one for romulan.... after that we'll see what it looks like on the Ex
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  • vorwodavorwoda Member Posts: 698 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    Destabilized Plasma Torpedo console beats the Molecular Deconstruction Beam gimmick every day of the week. Commander Tac/Temporal is ok, but not amazing. Both the T'liss [T6] and the Malem have a Lt Comm Pilot/Uni seat, so nothing much there.

    If the Doom Torpedo can be slotted on the T'liss, I'll revise my opinion, but as it is now, the Malem edges out the T'liss. If you are not a T'liss super-fan, there is no reason to get it.

    I don't see why you think the T6 T'Liss WON'T be able to use it. The T1 T'Liss sure can - I have one on mine.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    vorwoda wrote: »
    redvenge wrote: »
    Destabilized Plasma Torpedo console beats the Molecular Deconstruction Beam gimmick every day of the week. Commander Tac/Temporal is ok, but not amazing. Both the T'liss [T6] and the Malem have a Lt Comm Pilot/Uni seat, so nothing much there.

    If the Doom Torpedo can be slotted on the T'liss, I'll revise my opinion, but as it is now, the Malem edges out the T'liss. If you are not a T'liss super-fan, there is no reason to get it.

    I don't see why you think the T6 T'Liss WON'T be able to use it. The T1 T'Liss sure can - I have one on mine.

    You seem to think that they will remember to amend the list. The mirror mogai wasn't able to use the retrofit mogai console for like a year because they didn't update the list on the console.

    Also the biggest downside to the t'liss is one less SRO. You can only slot 4 boffs instead of 5.
    Is that really a big downside for being able to make builds you can't replicate on any other ships? You got 4 slots on these ship that can slot any power from their respective class, regardless of whether it starts at Ensign, Lieutenant or Lt.Commander. And you have the hybrid seats to guarantee you can avoid cooldown overlaps (and one hybrid seat more than any other ship, too.)
    And of course, you have a power at one or two ranks better than any other ship can manage.

    You got the Molecular Thingabumbo feature that also consists of a mode that buffs your damage, on top of being usable to deal damage.


    Do you really think that the loss of one SRO matters?
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    And yes, one SRO matters.

    You seem to want this thing to be OP because you made up your mind that you want one and you need to justify the purchase. Sorry to break this to you...but mechanically...it's pretty meh.
    You seem to want this thing to be subpar because you made up your mind that one SRO matters to justify not having to buy a this ship. Sorry to break this to you, but gameplay wise, an SRO is pretty much boring and meaningless.
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    You seem to want this thing to be subpar because you made up your mind that one SRO matters to justify not having to buy a this ship. Sorry to break this to you, but gameplay wise, an SRO is pretty much boring and meaningless.

    I asked in the Stats announcement if the T'liss can equip the T'varro Refit and Malem consoles. No answer, though Cryptic Spartan did quickly resolve the confusion about the Enhanced Battle Cloak. My gut tells me that no, the T'varro Refit (Doom Torpedo) console cannot be slotted on the T'liss [T6]. Hopefully, when I log in tomorrow (after the patch), T'liss Temporal Warbird [T6] will be listed on my Destabilized Plasma Torpedo console.

    That aside, the Commander Tac/Temporal allows the T'liss to be significantly more Science focused than the Malem (who also has a LtCom Sci and LtCom Uni/Pilot, but only a Commander Tac). I would probably design it more around firing Sci/Temp powers while cloaked, rather than a torpedo boat.

    It's a nice Science focused ship. Just not one I want. I want the silly super weapon. So, for me, the Malem is the better ship.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    And yes, one SRO matters.

    You seem to want this thing to be OP because you made up your mind that you want one and you need to justify the purchase. Sorry to break this to you...but mechanically...it's pretty meh.
    You seem to want this thing to be subpar because you made up your mind that one SRO matters to justify not having to buy a this ship. Sorry to break this to you, but gameplay wise, an SRO is pretty much boring and meaningless.

    Boring is subjective. Mechanical efficency is not. And no, I will not get this ship because of mechanical reasons but a very subjective one. I think it is ugly. Yes I understand personal taste...do you? Objectively, the stats are meh. You like how it looks and want one anyways, go for it. I have plenty of ships with terrible stats I got because I thought the looked cool. And one ship ever that I got for the stats (might become 4 if I get the temporal 3 pack...just because they are true account unlocks).
    Looks is even more important than mechanical efficiency. :p

    If you can't blow up Borg Cubes, Iconians or Sphere Builders in style, what's the point?
    But of course, looks are very subjective. ;)
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    less emo whining and butthurt please... plenty of that in general :P

    I find it amusing he likes the malem but not the T'liss, basically the same general design :P
    Personally I want it because it is the T'liss and it doesn't look like a raw chicken like other Rom/Pilot ships. Stats? don't care really it'll be better than other stuff.

    One thing tho, I have the temporal mega pack so Ive had time to get used to the molecular beam... on an escort its pretty useless outside the passive bonus. The oro just vaporizes TRIBBLE too fast for it to be useful.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    less emo whining and butthurt please... plenty of that in general :P

    I find it amusing he likes the malem but not the T'liss, basically the same general design :P
    Personally I want it because it is the T'liss and it doesn't look like a raw chicken like other Rom/Pilot ships. Stats? don't care really it'll be better than other stuff.

    One thing tho, I have the temporal mega pack so Ive had time to get used to the molecular beam... on an escort its pretty useless outside the passive bonus. The oro just vaporizes **** too fast for it to be useful.

    The Malem feels to me very different than the T'Liss, because it has this little head going for it. It kinda alters the whole feel of the ship.

    But as I understand, t his ship will use any of the T'Liss/T'Varo variants, so there is something for everyone. (except those that hate them all :p )
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    redvenge wrote: »
    Destabilized Plasma Torpedo console beats the Molecular Deconstruction Beam gimmick every day of the week. Commander Tac/Temporal is ok, but not amazing. Both the T'liss [T6] and the Malem have a Lt Comm Pilot/Uni seat, so nothing much there.

    If the Doom Torpedo can be slotted on the T'liss, I'll revise my opinion, but as it is now, the Malem edges out the T'liss. If you are not a T'liss super-fan, there is no reason to get it.

    Molecular Deconstruction is built into the ship while the Destabilized Plasma Torpedo is going to take a console slot. It's part of the toggle / gimmick abilities for Temporal Ships.
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    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    vorwoda wrote: »
    redvenge wrote: »
    Destabilized Plasma Torpedo console beats the Molecular Deconstruction Beam gimmick every day of the week. Commander Tac/Temporal is ok, but not amazing. Both the T'liss [T6] and the Malem have a Lt Comm Pilot/Uni seat, so nothing much there.

    If the Doom Torpedo can be slotted on the T'liss, I'll revise my opinion, but as it is now, the Malem edges out the T'liss. If you are not a T'liss super-fan, there is no reason to get it.

    I don't see why you think the T6 T'Liss WON'T be able to use it. The T1 T'Liss sure can - I have one on mine.

    You seem to think that they will remember to amend the list. The mirror mogai wasn't able to use the retrofit mogai console for like a year because they didn't update the list on the console.

    Also the biggest downside to the t'liss is one less SRO. You can only slot 4 boffs instead of 5.
    Is that really a big downside for being able to make builds you can't replicate on any other ships? You got 4 slots on these ship that can slot any power from their respective class, regardless of whether it starts at Ensign, Lieutenant or Lt.Commander. And you have the hybrid seats to guarantee you can avoid cooldown overlaps (and one hybrid seat more than any other ship, too.)
    And of course, you have a power at one or two ranks better than any other ship can manage.

    You got the Molecular Thingabumbo feature that also consists of a mode that buffs your damage, on top of being usable to deal damage.


    Do you really think that the loss of one SRO matters?

    And? The build I use on my morrigu can't be replicated on this ship either...or any other really. So the fact that this ship has the ability to make unique builds is meaningless really since that is true of any ship you have tweaked up the wazhoo. Let's look at it this way, the LTC sci and engineer will get their standard abilities. There are plenty of ships that can slot both these. Unless you are doing a threat escort and have reciprocity as one of your traits, you are going to run dual tact with KLWx2, APBx2, BFAWx2. That leaves you with a cmdr comand slot or an lt pilot slot...hardly anything to be wowed over. Building a threat escort ain't easy...and if you end up in a que with a better made one then you, you suddenly become useless...so hardly something I would recommend on doing anyways unless all you do is pre-mades.

    The molecular reconstruction is a very minor bonus to damage and overall does pretty little DPS. Not worth giving up an SRO over.

    And yes, one SRO matters.

    You seem to want this thing to be OP because you made up your mind that you want one and you need to justify the purchase. Sorry to break this to you...but mechanically...it's pretty meh.


    Your issue with "giving up an SRO" for Molecular Deconstruction doesn't exist also, because why would you give up a BOFF for a built in ability / gimmick?

    Again, Molecular Deconstruction and all that are toggles on Temporal Ships, because I own the Temporal Ship C-Store Pack, i.e. Chronos, etc. It's built in. You're not giving anything up, it's built in like Gather Intel and Pilot Maneuvers are for their respective specialization ships.
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    Molecular Deconstruction is built into the ship while the Destabilized Plasma Torpedo is going to take a console slot. It's part of the toggle / gimmick abilities for Temporal Ships.
    Which means what, exactly?

    Point is mute, anyway. The T'liss Temporal Warbird [T6] is listed on the Destabilized Plasma Torpedo console. It seems it is not on the Malem's torpedo shot-gun console. Not a deal breaker, but I am going to miss the 10% increased shield penetration for torpedos.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    and Im gonna miss out on owning a t6 t'liss :(
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    A weird FYI.

    If you own the T'liss Temporal Warbird [T6]... it unlocks the T'liss skin for your T'varro and Malem ships. Including the raptor decal.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    A weird FYI.

    If you own the T'liss Temporal Warbird [T6]... it unlocks the T'liss skin for your T'varro and Malem ships. Including the raptor decal.

    Oh, that's cool. Well, assuming that for some reason you prefer the Malem stats.
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    Oh, that's cool. Well, assuming that for some reason you prefer the Malem stats.
    Well, I got the T'liss, but for some weird reason, I had not unlocked the trait on the Malem. So, I hopped back in the Malem to level it up for the trait. Then I got curious and checked the ship tailor.

    Still going to be in the T'liss after I get the trait.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    Oh, that's cool. Well, assuming that for some reason you prefer the Malem stats.
    Well, I got the T'liss, but for some weird reason, I had not unlocked the trait on the Malem. So, I hopped back in the Malem to level it up for the trait. Then I got curious and checked the ship tailor.

    Still going to be in the T'liss after I get the trait.

    @redvenge - do you have any pictures of your personal kitbash? How do you like it?
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  • beldair#6049 beldair
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    Not going through the hassle at all... If they give the Romulans a dedicated carrier in the c-store or a science ship... Then I'll go buy them..

    But until then, I'll stick to my Dyson Survelliance Science Warbird, Flambard Dreadnought, Mirror Universe Ha'anom Guardian Warbird, and Tholian Tarantula.
  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    @redvenge - do you have any pictures of your personal kitbash? How do you like it?

    Well...

    You can't put the "Bird of Prey" hull decal on non-T'liss parts, so I did not mix the parts (because I wanted the decal). It looks just like the T1 romulan freebie ship/NPC ships. I can still post pics if you want.

    It's incredibly sturdy for a ship of it's class. Not quite as good as a ship with Tactical Maneuvers, but it has Singularity Powers which adds significantly to survivability. I also make good use of the Singularity re-charge console.

    For weapons, I felt compelled to equip the Destabilized Plasma Torpedo console and the Romulan Hyperplasma torpedo launcher. I went with the Elachi Crescent Disruptor cannons because I find it aesthetically pleasing to scatter volley a boatload of boomerangs at my foes. Also, I've been asked "what kind of weapon is that?" a few times when using them, so I guess they are not very common.

    My first Legacy of Romulus character was inspired by the T'liss/T'varro line of ships, and I find the T'liss Temporal Warbird very satisfying. Flexible and very well rounded, it is fun to fly.

    My one tiny suggestion/wish would be that the Temporal Light Warbird had a Command seat instead of Pilot. Access to Concentrate Firepower would be a nice bonus, and would further differentiate the Temporal T'liss from the T6 Fleet T'varro.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    So the moment you pick a different ship costume part, you can no longer use the decal?
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    I saw someone post in the forums that if you picked up the new Temporal t6 T'liss, they were able to use the decal on their T'varo. Considering I'll never be able to afford the temporal t6 I'll never know but maybe one of you will
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    So the moment you pick a different ship costume part, you can no longer use the decal?

    Yep. It only appears on the T'liss hull/wings/nacelles. You can mix and match the parts freely, but no decal on non-T'liss parts.
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    I saw someone post in the forums that if you picked up the new Temporal t6 T'liss, they were able to use the decal on their T'varo. Considering I'll never be able to afford the temporal t6 I'll never know but maybe one of you will

    That was probably me, earlier in this thread. I meant to say "You can give your Malem/T'varro the T'liss appearance, complete with the decal". Sorry for the confusion.
  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    Ok, pics I guess.

    Here is what I mean by you cant put the decal on non-T'liss parts:

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    But, you can still get some nice kitbashes. I just prefer the whole decal.

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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,698 Arc User
    i'm more than happy with my malem submarine
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  • cayleercayleer Member Posts: 44 Arc User
    *waves* just to rolled a Rom Sci atl as my Fed just completed the Iconinan arc, are these ships you're talking about good T6's? I plan on only purchasing one if I can
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited January 2017
    personally I say the Morrigu or Aelahl are probably your best 'all round' t6 romulan ships. since your new alt is a sci captain I can also say the Laeosa is badass, even my tac captains love it
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