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So the borg ate the sphere builders

jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
edited August 2016 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
When the Federation and the Krenim were working out how to destroy the Iconians in our "Prime timeline" in the mision the "Butterfly" and that is a big part of why they (The sphere builders) started a multidimensional rampage that has lead to the temporal cold war and the ever repeating horrors at the battle of procyon 5.


It was the Federations fault all along.
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  • tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    OK Mr Trump...

    *wanders off muttering to himself...*
  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
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    @tousseau

    What the heck does that political swipe have to do with what the OP posted? Really?
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    jade1280 wrote: »
    When the Federation and the Krenim were working out how to destroy the Iconians in our "Prime timeline" in the mision the "Butterfly" and that is a big part of why they (The sphere builders) started a multidimensional rampage that has lead to the temporal cold war and the ever repeating horrors at the battle of procyon 5.


    It was the Federations fault all along.
    Yes, it's always the Federation's fault...

    Of course, Noye is TOTALLY innocent since he was the one with other Krenim who pushed the Alliance to use the weapon ship, despite our unwillingness to mess with time, and the one who told the Sphere Builders it was the Federation's fault despite having for sole evidence a recording of her wife from another timeline who wasn't even saying bad things about the Alliance.

    You want a culprit? Start with Noye who never accepts his responsibilities and is a huge hypocrite regarding the use of time travel and the Sphere Builders themselves for not stopping their experiments that are resulting in many UNIVERSAL-sized destructions.
    #TASforSTO
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  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    Something happened in STO? Sela.
  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    saurializard wrote: »
    jade1280 wrote: »
    When the Federation and the Krenim were working out how to destroy the Iconians in our "Prime timeline" in the mision the "Butterfly" and that is a big part of why they (The sphere builders) started a multidimensional rampage that has lead to the temporal cold war and the ever repeating horrors at the battle of procyon 5.


    It was the Federations fault all along.
    Yes, it's always the Federation's fault...

    Of course, Noye is TOTALLY innocent since he was the one with other Krenim who pushed the Alliance to use the weapon ship, despite our unwillingness to mess with time, and the one who told the Sphere Builders it was the Federation's fault despite having for sole evidence a recording of her wife from another timeline who wasn't even saying bad things about the Alliance.

    You want a culprit? Start with Noye who never accepts his responsibilities and is a huge hypocrite regarding the use of time travel and the Sphere Builders themselves for not stopping their experiments that are resulting in many UNIVERSAL-sized destructions.

    But would Noye have taken the timeship from the alliance to save the Tutarians if the Alliance had not provked his emotions by accidently deleting the love of his life from time itself.

    With Noye's interference pushing the Tuterians to become the vengeful time demons known as the Sphere builders.

  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    jade1280 wrote: »
    saurializard wrote: »
    jade1280 wrote: »
    When the Federation and the Krenim were working out how to destroy the Iconians in our "Prime timeline" in the mision the "Butterfly" and that is a big part of why they (The sphere builders) started a multidimensional rampage that has lead to the temporal cold war and the ever repeating horrors at the battle of procyon 5.


    It was the Federations fault all along.
    Yes, it's always the Federation's fault...

    Of course, Noye is TOTALLY innocent since he was the one with other Krenim who pushed the Alliance to use the weapon ship, despite our unwillingness to mess with time, and the one who told the Sphere Builders it was the Federation's fault despite having for sole evidence a recording of her wife from another timeline who wasn't even saying bad things about the Alliance.

    You want a culprit? Start with Noye who never accepts his responsibilities and is a huge hypocrite regarding the use of time travel and the Sphere Builders themselves for not stopping their experiments that are resulting in many UNIVERSAL-sized destructions.

    But would Noye have taken the timeship from the alliance to save the Tutarians if the Alliance had not provked his emotions by accidently deleting the love of his life from time itself.

    With Noye's interference pushing the Tuterians to become the vengeful time demons known as the Sphere builders.
    He was the one who chose the "fixing" incursion after the first one failed:
    "Noye: I’m running the numbers now. If we target Borg transwarp network, the Borg may never be able to reach Romulus.
    Clauda: It is a great risk. The Borg have a great deal of influence on the timeline. And there is no time to run simulations.
    Noye: Do we have a choice?
    Clauda: We do not."

    I know it is an alternate Noye, but that still doesn't change the fact that while many people are responsible, directly or indirectly, of this mess, saying only the Federation is responsible is incorrect.

    #TASforSTO
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  • talientalien Member Posts: 712 Arc User
    Considering Sela caused the Iconian war to begin with.....probably her fault.
  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    talien wrote: »
    Considering Sela caused the Iconian war to begin with.....probably her fault.

    But Sela only existed because of a paradox involving Tasha yar and the enterprise.
  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    jade1280 wrote: »
    talien wrote: »
    Considering Sela caused the Iconian war to begin with.....probably her fault.

    But Sela only existed because of a paradox involving Tasha yar and the enterprise.

    So the whole thing is Captain Picard's fault then, as he authorised Tasha's transfer to the Enterprise-C.

    Hard to believe the coolest captain in star trek is to blame for all of this...
  • rimmarierimmarie Member Posts: 418 Arc User
    kitsunesnout wrote: »
    Something happened in STO? Sela.

    I'm gunna have to go with the 'Blame Sela' crowd.
    It was totally all Sela's fault.
    Although, Noye needs a kick to the groin for his part in all of this.

    @reyan01
    Blaming Picard? Shame on you!

  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    jade1280 wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    jade1280 wrote: »
    talien wrote: »
    Considering Sela caused the Iconian war to begin with.....probably her fault.

    But Sela only existed because of a paradox involving Tasha yar and the enterprise.

    So the whole thing is Captain Picard's fault then, as he authorised Tasha's transfer to the Enterprise-C.

    Hard to believe the coolest captain in star trek is to blame for all of this...

    What did Sisko wrong now?
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  • themetalstickmanthemetalstickman Member Posts: 1,010 Arc User
    jade1280 wrote: »
    saurializard wrote: »
    jade1280 wrote: »
    When the Federation and the Krenim were working out how to destroy the Iconians in our "Prime timeline" in the mision the "Butterfly" and that is a big part of why they (The sphere builders) started a multidimensional rampage that has lead to the temporal cold war and the ever repeating horrors at the battle of procyon 5.


    It was the Federations fault all along.
    Yes, it's always the Federation's fault...

    Of course, Noye is TOTALLY innocent since he was the one with other Krenim who pushed the Alliance to use the weapon ship, despite our unwillingness to mess with time, and the one who told the Sphere Builders it was the Federation's fault despite having for sole evidence a recording of her wife from another timeline who wasn't even saying bad things about the Alliance.

    You want a culprit? Start with Noye who never accepts his responsibilities and is a huge hypocrite regarding the use of time travel and the Sphere Builders themselves for not stopping their experiments that are resulting in many UNIVERSAL-sized destructions.

    But would Noye have taken the timeship from the alliance to save the Tutarians if the Alliance had not provked his emotions by accidently deleting the love of his life from time itself.

    With Noye's interference pushing the Tuterians to become the vengeful time demons known as the Sphere builders.

    HE PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THE ANNORAX.
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    Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.

    I dare you to do better.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    "Something happened in STO? Sela." If not for Guinan telling Tasha things she shouldn't know, Tasha wouldn't have gone back in time and Sela would never have happened.

    Its all Guinan's fault.
  • stobg2015stobg2015 Member Posts: 800 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    I love this game!

    It's actually Armus's fault.

    If he hadn't killed Tasha Yar in the prime timeline, Tasha Yar in the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline wouldn't have decided she had to have an honorable death and ended up on the Ent-C in the first place. Sela would never have been born and would not have started the Iconian War.

    It's Armus. Totally. Except that if the original inhabitants of Vagra II hadn't created him in their experiment to evolve into a higher lifeform, he wouldn't have existed either.

    So it's the Vagrans' fault.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    It doesn't matter. "If it's red, it's dead."

    What keeps the Alliance together is a mutual enemy to focus on.
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  • wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    it was Soran who use time ribbon floating across the galaxy, Guinan was young girl when she got rescued at same time when Cap Kirk vanished.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    themetalstickman wrote: »
    jade1280 wrote: »
    saurializard wrote: »
    jade1280 wrote: »
    When the Federation and the Krenim were working out how to destroy the Iconians in our "Prime timeline" in the mision the "Butterfly" and that is a big part of why they (The sphere builders) started a multidimensional rampage that has lead to the temporal cold war and the ever repeating horrors at the battle of procyon 5.


    It was the Federations fault all along.
    Yes, it's always the Federation's fault...

    Of course, Noye is TOTALLY innocent since he was the one with other Krenim who pushed the Alliance to use the weapon ship, despite our unwillingness to mess with time, and the one who told the Sphere Builders it was the Federation's fault despite having for sole evidence a recording of her wife from another timeline who wasn't even saying bad things about the Alliance.

    You want a culprit? Start with Noye who never accepts his responsibilities and is a huge hypocrite regarding the use of time travel and the Sphere Builders themselves for not stopping their experiments that are resulting in many UNIVERSAL-sized destructions.

    But would Noye have taken the timeship from the alliance to save the Tutarians if the Alliance had not provked his emotions by accidently deleting the love of his life from time itself.

    With Noye's interference pushing the Tuterians to become the vengeful time demons known as the Sphere builders.

    HE PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THE ANNORAX.

    Nog gave the order to fire.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    jade1280 wrote: »
    saurializard wrote: »
    jade1280 wrote: »
    When the Federation and the Krenim were working out how to destroy the Iconians in our "Prime timeline" in the mision the "Butterfly" and that is a big part of why they (The sphere builders) started a multidimensional rampage that has lead to the temporal cold war and the ever repeating horrors at the battle of procyon 5.


    It was the Federations fault all along.
    Yes, it's always the Federation's fault...

    Of course, Noye is TOTALLY innocent since he was the one with other Krenim who pushed the Alliance to use the weapon ship, despite our unwillingness to mess with time, and the one who told the Sphere Builders it was the Federation's fault despite having for sole evidence a recording of her wife from another timeline who wasn't even saying bad things about the Alliance.

    You want a culprit? Start with Noye who never accepts his responsibilities and is a huge hypocrite regarding the use of time travel and the Sphere Builders themselves for not stopping their experiments that are resulting in many UNIVERSAL-sized destructions.

    But would Noye have taken the timeship from the alliance to save the Tutarians if the Alliance had not provked his emotions by accidently deleting the love of his life from time itself.
    Not the love of his life. A woman he's never met, who's existence he's only ever heard of in a computer file.

    The plot attempts to recreate the story of Annorax, but fails. Annorax was temporally shielded himself, he actually remembered his wife that got accidentally erased. Noye having the same kind of reaction to a computer file is completely implausible. Dude's obviously insane.
  • banatinebanatine Member Posts: 250 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    jade1280 wrote: »
    saurializard wrote: »
    jade1280 wrote: »
    When the Federation and the Krenim were working out how to destroy the Iconians in our "Prime timeline" in the mision the "Butterfly" and that is a big part of why they (The sphere builders) started a multidimensional rampage that has lead to the temporal cold war and the ever repeating horrors at the battle of procyon 5.


    It was the Federations fault all along.
    Yes, it's always the Federation's fault...

    Of course, Noye is TOTALLY innocent since he was the one with other Krenim who pushed the Alliance to use the weapon ship, despite our unwillingness to mess with time, and the one who told the Sphere Builders it was the Federation's fault despite having for sole evidence a recording of her wife from another timeline who wasn't even saying bad things about the Alliance.

    You want a culprit? Start with Noye who never accepts his responsibilities and is a huge hypocrite regarding the use of time travel and the Sphere Builders themselves for not stopping their experiments that are resulting in many UNIVERSAL-sized destructions.

    But would Noye have taken the timeship from the alliance to save the Tutarians if the Alliance had not provked his emotions by accidently deleting the love of his life from time itself.
    Not the love of his life. A woman he's never met, who's existence he's only ever heard of in a computer file.

    The plot attempts to recreate the story of Annorax, but fails. Annorax was temporally shielded himself, he actually remembered his wife that got accidentally erased. Noye having the same kind of reaction to a computer file is completely implausible. Dude's obviously insane.

    Agreed. Noye was an obvious problem from the moment we met him. and thanks to us, 'history' was allowed to repeat itself.

    If it wasn't Annorax, it was always going to be someone else. But that doesnt change the fact he is guilty of Kylo Ren-levels of baseless whining.
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  • captkelly31#5645 captkelly31
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    I've recently been of the opinion that the trip the Ent-C went on was part of a tug-of-war between two factions, one (random species) sent it to Ent-D's time, and the other were the Tholians sending it to the timeline they ruled over.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    I'm inclined to blame the Big Bang.

    Stupid universe. Should have minded its own business.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    lordgyor wrote: »
    "Something happened in STO? Sela." If not for Guinan telling Tasha things she shouldn't know, Tasha wouldn't have gone back in time and Sela would never have happened.

    Its all Guinan's fault.

    If the Borg hadn't have attacked her people then she wouldn't have ended up on the Enterprise.​​
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  • stobg2015stobg2015 Member Posts: 800 Arc User
    Dunno, I'm really liking nikeix Big Bang Theory... :)
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,916 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    Just do what I do and blame Iconians for everything.

    I thought Iconians blamed Iconians for everything.

    It's in his sig. Which I like.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
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  • therealmaddmatttherealmaddmatt Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    I blame Rick Berman, the True Root of All Evil within Star Trek.
  • storobertpraetorstorobertpraetor Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    Well, if Guinen told Tasha about prime Tasha dying... Then that makes it scottys fault for beaming her off that exploding transport. Picked the wrong lifesign Scotty!
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