I'd go back to the day before the time machine's inventor finished his project so I could delete all his data, burn his lab to the ground, and kick him in the nuts for good measure. Nothing good ever comes from **** with the past.
What could possibly go wrong with me going back 7 months or so to get a Billion dollars?
...back then, there wasn't the rampant STDs/terrorism which we have to deal with now...
The Red Brigade. The Irish Republican Army, and the Ulster terrorists. The Symbionese Liberation Army. The Weather Underground. The ongoing war between Israel and the Palestinians that would lead to the rise of Hamas and Fatah. The frigging Manson Family.
Historical analysis reveals that HIV almost certainly began sometime in the early 1960s, but wasn't identified until much later. Syphilis, gonorrhea, and the then-incurable chlamydia were very popular, and getting them was seen as a moral failing, so they often went untreated. In large parts of the world, condoms were actually illegal, or only available with a doctor's prescription, as their very existence went against the teachings of several religions (most notably Catholicism and some of the more fundamentalist Protestant groups).
Don't forget the long gas lines during the OPEC crisis, billy beer, polyester leisure suits, muttonchops, nobody ever recycled, and I just remember huge stinking landfills. Tacky velour wallpaper, and Disco sucked....I could go on about that as well.
...back then, there wasn't the rampant STDs/terrorism which we have to deal with now...
The Red Brigade. The Irish Republican Army, and the Ulster terrorists. The Symbionese Liberation Army. The Weather Underground. The ongoing war between Israel and the Palestinians that would lead to the rise of Hamas and Fatah. The frigging Manson Family.
Historical analysis reveals that HIV almost certainly began sometime in the early 1960s, but wasn't identified until much later. Syphilis, gonorrhea, and the then-incurable chlamydia were very popular, and getting them was seen as a moral failing, so they often went untreated. In large parts of the world, condoms were actually illegal, or only available with a doctor's prescription, as their very existence went against the teachings of several religions (most notably Catholicism and some of the more fundamentalist Protestant groups).
Don't forget the long gas lines during the OPEC crisis, billy beer, polyester leisure suits, muttonchops, nobody ever recycled, and I just remember huge stinking landfills. Tacky velour wallpaper, and Disco sucked....I could go on about that as well.
A lot of that was late '70s, though. And he'd mentioned specifically the "modern rise" of terrorism and STDs (no relation to the new Trek series).
...back then, there wasn't the rampant STDs/terrorism which we have to deal with now...
The Red Brigade. The Irish Republican Army, and the Ulster terrorists. The Symbionese Liberation Army. The Weather Underground. The ongoing war between Israel and the Palestinians that would lead to the rise of Hamas and Fatah. The frigging Manson Family.
Historical analysis reveals that HIV almost certainly began sometime in the early 1960s, but wasn't identified until much later. Syphilis, gonorrhea, and the then-incurable chlamydia were very popular, and getting them was seen as a moral failing, so they often went untreated. In large parts of the world, condoms were actually illegal, or only available with a doctor's prescription, as their very existence went against the teachings of several religions (most notably Catholicism and some of the more fundamentalist Protestant groups).
Don't forget the long gas lines during the OPEC crisis, billy beer, polyester leisure suits, muttonchops, nobody ever recycled, and I just remember huge stinking landfills. Tacky velour wallpaper, and Disco sucked....I could go on about that as well.
I only heard the Simpsons where Homer found a can of billy bear in his old concert jacket, so I don't get it... Was it a good or bad product? As for 'Disco sucked', you're talking to someone who's first album was the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, still enjoys watching the movie for the music and the dancing, and who would have loved to visit Studio 54
...back then, there wasn't the rampant STDs/terrorism which we have to deal with now...
The Red Brigade. The Irish Republican Army, and the Ulster terrorists. The Symbionese Liberation Army. The Weather Underground. The ongoing war between Israel and the Palestinians that would lead to the rise of Hamas and Fatah. The frigging Manson Family.
Historical analysis reveals that HIV almost certainly began sometime in the early 1960s, but wasn't identified until much later. Syphilis, gonorrhea, and the then-incurable chlamydia were very popular, and getting them was seen as a moral failing, so they often went untreated. In large parts of the world, condoms were actually illegal, or only available with a doctor's prescription, as their very existence went against the teachings of several religions (most notably Catholicism and some of the more fundamentalist Protestant groups).
Don't forget the long gas lines during the OPEC crisis, billy beer, polyester leisure suits, muttonchops, nobody ever recycled, and I just remember huge stinking landfills. Tacky velour wallpaper, and Disco sucked....I could go on about that as well.
A lot of that was late '70s, though. And he'd mentioned specifically the "modern rise" of terrorism and STDs (no relation to the new Trek series).
Not the modern rise, but the extent to which it is now an issue... My mother in law worked for Scotland Yardat a time where being blown up by the IRA was a very real possibility. (I also, having grown up with friends from Southern Ireland, totally sympathise with them, and want to see English presence removed from Northern Ireland, and the country unified...)
Like I said, I doubt the IRA or the PLO were particularly active in San Francisco in the early to mid-seventies, so I'd still take my chances with regards wanting to live there...
Like I said, I doubt the IRA or the PLO were particularly active in San Francisco in the early to mid-seventies, so I'd still take my chances with regards wanting to live there...
No, for the most part your major threats would have been from the SLA or the Weather Underground - or, of course, some random yahoo who thought the most effective way to protest the Vietnam War was to blow up the Bastions of Capitalism What Was Funding That Evil, Evil War...
Terrorism isn't new. Modern telecommunications just make it easier to tell everyone about it.
Like I said, I doubt the IRA or the PLO were particularly active in San Francisco in the early to mid-seventies, so I'd still take my chances with regards wanting to live there...
No, for the most part your major threats would have been from the SLA or the Weather Underground - or, of course, some random yahoo who thought the most effective way to protest the Vietnam War was to blow up the Bastions of Capitalism What Was Funding That Evil, Evil War...
Terrorism isn't new. Modern telecommunications just make it easier to tell everyone about it.
I thought they just protested with flowers and face-paint and said that war wasn't groovy, man... I've definitely got to check out the Weather Underground though, they sound intriguing
If I only had one time jump, I would talk to Charles Darwin. Exchange theological and non-theological ideas with him about the universe and stuff. Then shake hands. Say Godspeed and enter the time machine to go home.
...back then, there wasn't the rampant STDs/terrorism which we have to deal with now...
The Red Brigade. The Irish Republican Army, and the Ulster terrorists. The Symbionese Liberation Army. The Weather Underground. The ongoing war between Israel and the Palestinians that would lead to the rise of Hamas and Fatah. The frigging Manson Family.
Historical analysis reveals that HIV almost certainly began sometime in the early 1960s, but wasn't identified until much later. Syphilis, gonorrhea, and the then-incurable chlamydia were very popular, and getting them was seen as a moral failing, so they often went untreated. In large parts of the world, condoms were actually illegal, or only available with a doctor's prescription, as their very existence went against the teachings of several religions (most notably Catholicism and some of the more fundamentalist Protestant groups).
Don't forget the long gas lines during the OPEC crisis, billy beer, polyester leisure suits, muttonchops, nobody ever recycled, and I just remember huge stinking landfills. Tacky velour wallpaper, and Disco sucked....I could go on about that as well.
A lot of that was late '70s, though. And he'd mentioned specifically the "modern rise" of terrorism and STDs (no relation to the new Trek series).
What I remember. I was in grammer school in the 70's. I'm old Jon, but not as old as you.
For the guy who mentioned Billy beer, in the late 70's Jimmy Carter's brother was Billy. My dad bought a six pack, and split it with my Uncle. They both decided it was gross.
> @azniadeet said: > I'd go back in time about 5 years then bet on sports, mine bitcoin, and play the market. > > But if you're talking about more than just making money and influencing my own personal history... If you're talking about experiencing an entirely different era. I'd rather not. > > I actually generally like now.
...back then, there wasn't the rampant STDs/terrorism which we have to deal with now...
The Red Brigade. The Irish Republican Army, and the Ulster terrorists. The Symbionese Liberation Army. The Weather Underground. The ongoing war between Israel and the Palestinians that would lead to the rise of Hamas and Fatah. The frigging Manson Family.
Historical analysis reveals that HIV almost certainly began sometime in the early 1960s, but wasn't identified until much later. Syphilis, gonorrhea, and the then-incurable chlamydia were very popular, and getting them was seen as a moral failing, so they often went untreated. In large parts of the world, condoms were actually illegal, or only available with a doctor's prescription, as their very existence went against the teachings of several religions (most notably Catholicism and some of the more fundamentalist Protestant groups).
Don't forget the long gas lines during the OPEC crisis, billy beer, polyester leisure suits, muttonchops, nobody ever recycled, and I just remember huge stinking landfills. Tacky velour wallpaper, and Disco sucked....I could go on about that as well.
A lot of that was late '70s, though. And he'd mentioned specifically the "modern rise" of terrorism and STDs (no relation to the new Trek series).
Not the modern rise, but the extent to which it is now an issue... My mother in law worked for Scotland Yardat a time where being blown up by the IRA was a very real possibility. (I also, having grown up with friends from Southern Ireland, totally sympathise with them, and want to see English presence removed from Northern Ireland, and the country unified...)
Well technically it's Scottish presence. Ulster Scots manoeuvered into position in return for loyalty to the Union.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
...back then, there wasn't the rampant STDs/terrorism which we have to deal with now...
The Red Brigade. The Irish Republican Army, and the Ulster terrorists. The Symbionese Liberation Army. The Weather Underground. The ongoing war between Israel and the Palestinians that would lead to the rise of Hamas and Fatah. The frigging Manson Family.
Historical analysis reveals that HIV almost certainly began sometime in the early 1960s, but wasn't identified until much later. Syphilis, gonorrhea, and the then-incurable chlamydia were very popular, and getting them was seen as a moral failing, so they often went untreated. In large parts of the world, condoms were actually illegal, or only available with a doctor's prescription, as their very existence went against the teachings of several religions (most notably Catholicism and some of the more fundamentalist Protestant groups).
Don't forget the long gas lines during the OPEC crisis, billy beer, polyester leisure suits, muttonchops, nobody ever recycled, and I just remember huge stinking landfills. Tacky velour wallpaper, and Disco sucked....I could go on about that as well.
A lot of that was late '70s, though. And he'd mentioned specifically the "modern rise" of terrorism and STDs (no relation to the new Trek series).
Not the modern rise, but the extent to which it is now an issue... My mother in law worked for Scotland Yardat a time where being blown up by the IRA was a very real possibility. (I also, having grown up with friends from Southern Ireland, totally sympathise with them, and want to see English presence removed from Northern Ireland, and the country unified...)
Well technically it's Scottish presence. Ulster Scots manoeuvered into position in return for loyalty to the Union.
...back then, there wasn't the rampant STDs/terrorism which we have to deal with now...
The Red Brigade. The Irish Republican Army, and the Ulster terrorists. The Symbionese Liberation Army. The Weather Underground. The ongoing war between Israel and the Palestinians that would lead to the rise of Hamas and Fatah. The frigging Manson Family.
Historical analysis reveals that HIV almost certainly began sometime in the early 1960s, but wasn't identified until much later. Syphilis, gonorrhea, and the then-incurable chlamydia were very popular, and getting them was seen as a moral failing, so they often went untreated. In large parts of the world, condoms were actually illegal, or only available with a doctor's prescription, as their very existence went against the teachings of several religions (most notably Catholicism and some of the more fundamentalist Protestant groups).
Don't forget the long gas lines during the OPEC crisis, billy beer, polyester leisure suits, muttonchops, nobody ever recycled, and I just remember huge stinking landfills. Tacky velour wallpaper, and Disco sucked....I could go on about that as well.
A lot of that was late '70s, though. And he'd mentioned specifically the "modern rise" of terrorism and STDs (no relation to the new Trek series).
What I remember. I was in grammer school in the 70's. I'm old Jon, but not as old as you.
For the guy who mentioned Billy beer, in the late 70's Jimmy Carter's brother was Billy. My dad bought a six pack, and split it with my Uncle. They both decided it was gross.
Actually, I could probably make significantly more than the powerball money I mentioned if I went back to the time of the dinosaurs and got blood samples from as many species as I could find, I'm sure I could find a genetics company that would pay a fortune for that
So you're gonna go back in time and collect blood samples from living, and breathing dinosaurs? Well good luck with that one.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
So you're gonna go back in time and collect blood samples from living, and breathing dinosaurs? Well good luck with that one.
Well, I'd tranquilize them first, and I'd probably try and avoid the carnivores if at all possible ... I didn't say it wasn't risky, but the payout would be well worth it
Just don't touch anything, drink the water or breath the air while you are there.
The microbes and viruses were completely different to what our bodies are accustomed to today.
You'd probably be dead within a day or two of returning, but the money you'd earn would pay for a really nice funeral.
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
Would go back 7 years and get my father to an oncologist.
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
If I had a time jump, I'd go to Wembley stadium to watch the 1966 world cup final in a front row seat
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
I'd go back to the day before the time machine's inventor finished his project so I could delete all his data, burn his lab to the ground, and kick him in the nuts for good measure. Nothing good ever comes from **** with the past.
What could possibly go wrong with me going back 7 months or so to get a Billion dollars?
Taking money out of the global economy in the past would likely cause a global depression. The way to make loads of cash without making anything more than a butterfly effect on history is go back in time (ideally as far as possible before 1945), and gather some artefacts (probably the most effective way would be as a tomb raider), then... travel to the present and auction them off... when people question the authenticity based on prime condition, get them Carbon 14 tested (hence why you need to go back before 1945). This will result in them being proved as coming from antiquity and you could sell them off for shed loads.
Probably the least impacting thing you could do is covertly track Genghis Khan's funeral cortege and raid that tomb... because aside from legend, nobody claims to have discovered it yet... so no paradox in digging him up (if you take items that have had a "public" history beyond being buried and "lost", then you affect the personal history of people who handled or rediscovered them and change history.... so restrict it to lost treasures) . There's also other lost kings and queens tombs you could do this for as well.
So that's how you make money from the past without creating an economically driven paradox.
I'd go back to the day before the time machine's inventor finished his project so I could delete all his data, burn his lab to the ground, and kick him in the nuts for good measure. Nothing good ever comes from **** with the past.
What could possibly go wrong with me going back 7 months or so to get a Billion dollars?
Taking money out of the global economy in the past would likely cause a global depression. The way to make loads of cash without making anything more than a butterfly effect on history is go back in time (ideally as far as possible before 1945), and gather some artefacts (probably the most effective way would be as a tomb raider), then... travel to the present and auction them off... when people question the authenticity based on prime condition, get them Carbon 14 tested (hence why you need to go back before 1945). This will result in them being proved as coming from antiquity and you could sell them off for shed loads.
Probably the least impacting thing you could do is covertly track Genghis Khan's funeral cortege and raid that tomb... because aside from legend, nobody claims to have discovered it yet... so no paradox in digging him up (if you take items that have had a "public" history beyond being buried and "lost", then you affect the personal history of people who handled or rediscovered them and change history.... so restrict it to lost treasures) . There's also other lost kings and queens tombs you could do this for as well.
So that's how you make money from the past without creating an economically driven paradox.
A couple of plotholes there First off, evilmark getting the lotto win, wouldn't create a depression... That money was already accounted for by the lotto organizers, so someone winning it, was always the result. Also, given that he would be spending said money, it would actually be putting money into the economy
With regards the carbon dating, if artefacts are jumped forward in time, their age would remain static, thus they would be 'younger' than they should be...
Also, who's to say that time must unfold as it has? A few changes here and there in the would probably make the world a much better place
A couple of plotholes there First off, evilmark getting the lotto win, wouldn't create a depression... That money was already accounted for by the lotto organizers, so someone winning it, was always the result. Also, given that he would be spending said money, it would actually be putting money into the economy
I was assuming a single time jump "there and back again" scenario. However what I pointed out still stands, because by winning the lottery he prevented the person who originally won it from doing likewise... so while in this scenario he doesn't create a depression that leads to Norweb Federation fighter craft tracking him down because he and they are the only people who have any money left in the future... he potentially creates a paradox and depending on how far into the past he jumped to effect the change, massively alters history.
With regards the carbon dating, if artifacts are jumped forward in time, their age would remain static, thus they would be 'younger' than they should be...
Okay but with enough foresight, one could obtain the necessary artifacts and hermetically seal them in a location known only to the time traveller... and buried incredibly deep. Of course in the Ghenghis type scenario you don't even have to do that... because with nobody having discovered it you just need to return to your own time with the information of its actual location and cash in on your astounding discovery - no mess with the timeline required.
Also, who's to say that time must unfold as it has? A few changes here and there in the would probably make the world a much better place
Well. In single universe theory time *must* unfold as it has, so anything you do in the past could only create the world we live in. In many universe theory, *your* timeline will unfold as it always has and any changes you make simply create or alter a parallel one. Neither of which make for particularly exciting time travel stories but happen to be the mnodels that are used in theoretical modelling, I believe.
I think human nature being what it is, you'd merely improve it for some at the expense of others. I am optimistic about humanity... I just think it takes time and grace for humanity to walk the higher paths... and sometimes as history has shown, we can sadly stumble back into dark in horrific ways.
A couple of plotholes there First off, evilmark getting the lotto win, wouldn't create a depression... That money was already accounted for by the lotto organizers, so someone winning it, was always the result. Also, given that he would be spending said money, it would actually be putting money into the economy
I was assuming a single time jump "there and back again" scenario. However what I pointed out still stands, because by winning the lottery he prevented the person who originally won it from doing likewise... so while in this scenario he doesn't create a depression that leads to Norweb Federation fighter craft tracking him down because he and they are the only people who have any money left in the future... he potentially creates a paradox and depending on how far into the past he jumped to effect the change, massively alters history.
I think you might have misread his first post, as he said that the billion dollars was an unclaimed lotto win... No one has claimed it, ergo, him claiming it wouldn't prevent anyone else from doing so
Okay but with enough foresight, one could obtain the necessary artifacts and hermetically seal them in a location known only to the time traveller... and buried incredibly deep. Of course in the Ghenghis type scenario you don't even have to do that... because with nobody having discovered it you just need to return to your own time with the information of its actual location and cash in on your astounding discovery - no mess with the timeline required.
Ahh, I see what you mean Just to play Devil's Advocate, it's equally possible that by the time traveller moving the artifacts, they then get placed somewhere where someone else could still find them, or the location itself may be impacted in some way... A time traveller's likely not going to have enough tools to dig a sufficiently deep pit as to render the items unlocatable, and putting them in a building, for example, well, I don't know if you've seen Martin Lawrence in Blue Streak, but that would be the scenario I'd envisage happening to any items 'moved' in some way...
Well. In single universe theory time *must* unfold as it has, so anything you do in the past could only create the world we live in. In many universe theory, *your* timeline will unfold as it always has and any changes you make simply create or alter a parallel one. Neither of which make for particularly exciting time travel stories but happen to be the mnodels that are used in theoretical modelling, I believe.
I think human nature being what it is, you'd merely improve it for some at the expense of others. I am optimistic about humanity... I just think it takes time and grace for humanity to walk the higher paths... and sometimes as history has shown, we can sadly stumble back into dark in horrific ways.
Like yourself, I'm optimistic about humanity (in the very long term... What we have at the moment doesn't always represent humanity at its best...) but I don't see it as a zero sum game... I don't believe that one has to lose out, for another to benefit.
And as dizzying as my profiteering from the past idea is... wait till you hear my "temporal Oscar Schindler" idea... that one truly is bonkers.
To quote James T. Kirk, "Enlighten me..."
Runs along similar lines... You infiltrate a death camp and compromise the facility so that you feign death and incineration of victims by using a different gas and transporting the "bodies" either into the present day, or if you are worried about the impact of the arrival of millions of people on the economy and politics of the present day, stagger their arrival.
You'd obviously need to transport in something that resembled remains.
But what I'd love to do if all that could be pulled off... is (if I still had deep cover), walk into Hitler's bunker on his last day... and show him what I had done... that his evil plan had utterly failed.
To not only save lives... but to show the one person who was so hellbent on their extermination how utterly defeated they were.
Now I know, and you know that it would be astronomically unworkable.... but it'd be a great thing to do in a way that would not damage our own history.
The solution to your remains problem, would be to replace with existing corpses, but then you're dealing with grave robbing Or, the clause for the temporal refugees is that at the end of their life, their corpses will be temporally returned to the moment they were first lifted from...
I wouldn't be bothered about wanting to 'rub it in' Hitler's face though, that's just ego
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What could possibly go wrong with me going back 7 months or so to get a Billion dollars?
Don't forget the long gas lines during the OPEC crisis, billy beer, polyester leisure suits, muttonchops, nobody ever recycled, and I just remember huge stinking landfills. Tacky velour wallpaper, and Disco sucked....I could go on about that as well.
I only heard the Simpsons where Homer found a can of billy bear in his old concert jacket, so I don't get it... Was it a good or bad product? As for 'Disco sucked', you're talking to someone who's first album was the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, still enjoys watching the movie for the music and the dancing, and who would have loved to visit Studio 54
Not the modern rise, but the extent to which it is now an issue... My mother in law worked for Scotland Yardat a time where being blown up by the IRA was a very real possibility. (I also, having grown up with friends from Southern Ireland, totally sympathise with them, and want to see English presence removed from Northern Ireland, and the country unified...)
Like I said, I doubt the IRA or the PLO were particularly active in San Francisco in the early to mid-seventies, so I'd still take my chances with regards wanting to live there...
Terrorism isn't new. Modern telecommunications just make it easier to tell everyone about it.
What I remember. I was in grammer school in the 70's. I'm old Jon, but not as old as you.
For the guy who mentioned Billy beer, in the late 70's Jimmy Carter's brother was Billy. My dad bought a six pack, and split it with my Uncle. They both decided it was gross.
> I'd go back in time about 5 years then bet on sports, mine bitcoin, and play the market.
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> But if you're talking about more than just making money and influencing my own personal history... If you're talking about experiencing an entirely different era. I'd rather not.
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> I actually generally like now.
Yeah ok Biff...
Well technically it's Scottish presence. Ulster Scots manoeuvered into position in return for loyalty to the Union.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Well, I'd tranquilize them first, and I'd probably try and avoid the carnivores if at all possible ... I didn't say it wasn't risky, but the payout would be well worth it
The microbes and viruses were completely different to what our bodies are accustomed to today.
You'd probably be dead within a day or two of returning, but the money you'd earn would pay for a really nice funeral.
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Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
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Taking money out of the global economy in the past would likely cause a global depression. The way to make loads of cash without making anything more than a butterfly effect on history is go back in time (ideally as far as possible before 1945), and gather some artefacts (probably the most effective way would be as a tomb raider), then... travel to the present and auction them off... when people question the authenticity based on prime condition, get them Carbon 14 tested (hence why you need to go back before 1945). This will result in them being proved as coming from antiquity and you could sell them off for shed loads.
Probably the least impacting thing you could do is covertly track Genghis Khan's funeral cortege and raid that tomb... because aside from legend, nobody claims to have discovered it yet... so no paradox in digging him up (if you take items that have had a "public" history beyond being buried and "lost", then you affect the personal history of people who handled or rediscovered them and change history.... so restrict it to lost treasures) . There's also other lost kings and queens tombs you could do this for as well.
So that's how you make money from the past without creating an economically driven paradox.
With regards the carbon dating, if artefacts are jumped forward in time, their age would remain static, thus they would be 'younger' than they should be...
Also, who's to say that time must unfold as it has? A few changes here and there in the would probably make the world a much better place
I was assuming a single time jump "there and back again" scenario. However what I pointed out still stands, because by winning the lottery he prevented the person who originally won it from doing likewise... so while in this scenario he doesn't create a depression that leads to Norweb Federation fighter craft tracking him down because he and they are the only people who have any money left in the future... he potentially creates a paradox and depending on how far into the past he jumped to effect the change, massively alters history.
Okay but with enough foresight, one could obtain the necessary artifacts and hermetically seal them in a location known only to the time traveller... and buried incredibly deep. Of course in the Ghenghis type scenario you don't even have to do that... because with nobody having discovered it you just need to return to your own time with the information of its actual location and cash in on your astounding discovery - no mess with the timeline required.
Well. In single universe theory time *must* unfold as it has, so anything you do in the past could only create the world we live in. In many universe theory, *your* timeline will unfold as it always has and any changes you make simply create or alter a parallel one. Neither of which make for particularly exciting time travel stories but happen to be the mnodels that are used in theoretical modelling, I believe.
I think human nature being what it is, you'd merely improve it for some at the expense of others. I am optimistic about humanity... I just think it takes time and grace for humanity to walk the higher paths... and sometimes as history has shown, we can sadly stumble back into dark in horrific ways.
Ahh, I see what you mean
Like yourself, I'm optimistic about humanity (in the very long term... What we have at the moment doesn't always represent humanity at its best...) but I don't see it as a zero sum game... I don't believe that one has to lose out, for another to benefit.
Runs along similar lines... You infiltrate a death camp and compromise the facility so that you feign death and incineration of victims by using a different gas and transporting the "bodies" either into the present day, or if you are worried about the impact of the arrival of millions of people on the economy and politics of the present day, stagger their arrival.
You'd obviously need to transport in something that resembled remains.
But what I'd love to do if all that could be pulled off... is (if I still had deep cover), walk into Hitler's bunker on his last day... and show him what I had done... that his evil plan had utterly failed.
To not only save lives... but to show the one person who was so hellbent on their extermination how utterly defeated they were.
Now I know, and you know that it would be astronomically unworkable.... but it'd be a great thing to do in a way that would not damage our own history.
I wouldn't be bothered about wanting to 'rub it in' Hitler's face though, that's just ego