The goal isn't to "revive" the KDF faction with the restart of PvP- the goal is to expand the existing faction by giving it a reason to exist in the first place.
Means to an end- not the end itself.
It is suggesting doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result.
The goal isn't to "revive" the KDF faction with the restart of PvP- the goal is to expand the existing faction by giving it a reason to exist in the first place.
Means to an end- not the end itself.
It is suggesting doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result.
*shrugs* It seems your mind is already made up, so I won't bother to give you a differing perspective to consider.
I think it would do well in terms of fostering goodwill with the existing KDF playerbase as well as giving new players choices (which are always a good thing) but I also understand there's an entrenched sense of defense regarding existing offerings and that many will oppose it simply because they feel dedicating development time to something *they* don't play is a "waste" somehow.
Oh, and for the record- I'm a FED player who has 4 Fleet Admirals on Fed-side alone... I have one Klingon who's Brig General who I'd be interested in playing more if they actually put more development time into the KDF storylines.
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
I dont understand the premise of this thread. Its presupposing that there is some sort of need or necessity of more KDF characters when there is not. Let people play what they want for fun, it doesnt matter.
As for myself i have one toon out of five that is kdf that gets equal time. But to be honest she not really a favorite because i feel like im polishing a tu-rd. I hate KDF ships, ugly eye sores. And for me to play at all i bought a Ferasan because i determined i hate the ordinary races. Im not apt to start another, but if they had a recruitment event that compelled me it prolly be a talaxian with a non klingon ship.
I dont understand the premise of this thread. Its presupposing that there is some sort of need or necessity of more KDF characters when there is not. Let people play what they want for fun, it doesnt matter.
"Presumption" of "presupposition" is all you have to offer? Seriously?
FYI the "premise" is to get people to post ideas as to the thread title- which is, "WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO PLAY KDF?" and it doesn't specify existing players or new ones.
If you're happy with the way things are, why bother to reply at all?
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
Let's face it--Klingons are a rare breed in STO anymore. We all know the story writing is little more than "UGH UGH, HIS/HER HONOR WAS BESMIRCHED!" We all know the core issue here which is a writing one.
But what would it take to have you play a KDF character?
Be reasonable and creative in responses to the question. For instance, you're not going to get a T6 with epic inventory for every slot of the ship. No way would they do this. However, I could see this:
A really nice-looking cross-faction T5, so your main could use it also.
Rewards similar to Delta Recruits or Temporal Agents
One (and only one) epic item usable by all alts
Additional character slots (i.e. one for hitting level 30 and one for level 60)
What would it take to get you playing a Klingon?
I have 2 KDF alts already, but it'd still take me a bit of incentive to make a Klingon They're just not as interesting to me as Ferasan/Gorn.
Are you being sensitive? You dont need to be defensive or nasty if you dont appreciate any particular response. I gave my opinion and response to the question posed. Its a free forum here.
The klingons are conquerors. They annex and vassalize alien species under their Empire. The Gorn were conquered. The Orions swore fealty to the Empire. The Nausicaans were hired by the klingon war chest, the Letheans similarly so and were used to flush out undine infiltrators.
I understand if people prefer the KDF to just consist of Klingons, not something I agree with, and I admit seeing a Gorn wearing the Honor Guard armor (rather than a Klingon) takes some getting used to, but from a historical perspective, that's what all the mighty empires do. Conquer and integrate.
It's canon that the KDF has vassal states. It's even canon that they let some of the vassal states have their own space fleets. Integration in the KDF military is the only change.
For the record my KDF chars are an Orion and a Gorn.
Are you being sensitive? You dont need to be defensive or nasty if you dont appreciate any particular response.
I gave my opinion and response to the question posed. Its a free forum here.
I obviously struck a nerve with a pro kdf agenda.
Not being "sensitive" at all, just curious as to your motive for replying if you're indeed satisfied with the way things are, when the question is implying to the contrary for many other players.
As far as the "pro KDF agenda", what's wrong with advocating for a playerbase that has existed since the inception of the game which has been severely neglected historically? What's wrong with questioning the "status quo"?
If anyone is coming across as "sensitive" here, it's definitely not those who are putting forth ideas- it's those who staunchly defend the status quo.
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
Agree with Mark about non-Klingons. Kor wouldn't allow such filth to taint the ranks of the Mighty Klingon Empire! They were so hardcore that they would have qualms accepting common houses as officers. Also if they added new hairstyles and ridges from the movies and tv series it be a good start. And canon outfits. <cries>
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I already play KDF and, in some areas, prefer it over being a Fed. Yes, Star Trek centers on the Federation... I get that. But Cryptic has decided over the years to port over the unique things that separated the KDF from Fed-side. Unique consoles from KDF ships were made available to Fed characters via lockboxes, missions were eventually made that had faction-agnostic interactions, etc.
So here we are, today, with Alliance and Unity being the buzzwords in STO. Instead of maintaining separate identities for the 2.5 factions we do have, we are fed cross-faction ships, gear, storylines... the list can go on but I'm not going to beat the dead horse anymore.
What I would like to see brought into the game are things made available to the KDF and ONLY to the KDF in the form of missions, traits, costumes. Not just copy/paste content like we had in the past. I mean things that are original.
Here are some examples...
Faction vs Faction private or public PvP queues: Fed vs KDF (Roms would fight alongside KDF or Fed as per their alleigence). I feel that PvP was pretty much given a mortal wound when they essentially took out the incentives to do this in the early years. Make it rewarding for the players.
Capture the Flag: 5v5 or 10v10 battle to see which side can hold a flag for the longest during a set amount of time.
Capture and Hold: 5v5 or 10v10 battle to capture and hold an asset in the middle of a map
KDF only House vs. House (Fleet vs. Fleet) battles. Throughout the Empire's history are stories of Great Houses, even minor Houses fighting over various issues.
Missions designed with the KDF in mind.
KDF specific consoles/traits. This alone is why I feel the KDF numbers have dwindled so much. Much of what separated the KDF was taken away when their specific items were made available to the other faction(s).
This is just my thoughts on SOME things that could be done to make things more interesting. Hell, some of these could even expand to be inclysive of the Feds.
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Oh forgot to say I already play Klingons. So anything suggested is just a bonus.
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Agree with Mark about non-Klingons. Kor wouldn't allow such filth to taint the ranks of the Mighty Klingon Empire! They were so hardcore that they would have qualms accepting common houses as officers. Also if they added new hairstyles and ridges from the movies and tv series it be a good start. And canon outfits. <cries>
Kor died in 2375. He bravely fought off ten Jem'Hadar ships in BOP! Qapla' Kor!
I need to re watch that episode. It was really good.
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Already play KDF with 3/4 of my characters aligned with KDF faction.
Adding the 16ish currently "non-playable" npc KDF faction starships to the C-store would be nice. The models are done and in game just need some polishing and seating setups throwing in some Lethean and Ferasean starships would be a nice bonus.
edit: I still want the S'ona ship pack added along with Worf's rocket launcher from Insurrection.
Real Klingon content for True Klingon warriors. Not any of this soft mealy and silly stuff we have now. I want gagh and bloodwine and victory and battle and I want it all in an honor system with house intrigue and imperial politics and I want a conquer capability and I want all others to flee at my grim visage. And it all has to be in the original klingon with zero translatable jibba jabba.
Do that and maybe I'll consider playing a real klingon experience.
Long term, while I really would like to see either parity between factions or a complete merger with cross faction fleets and teaming, but I don't really expect to ever see either with the way STO has handled things in the past.
Short term fixes for me would include any or all of- T6 Carrier, T6 Science ship, full access to cross faction ship traits for ships you own, same deal for non ship locked consoles would be nice as well.
The KDF Vengeance box has me hopeful that something similar may happen for cross faction C-store ships.
Arguably, the two biggest things that would convince me to play more KDF are, obviously, the two biggest things Cryptic's (Read: Geko) isn't in the mind of giving...
KDF Science fleet - more than just the DSD, Vo'Quv, and cross faction stuff. The Vesta looks to me like a "light cruiser" sized ship with the "usual battlecruiser conversion" of less hull, more maneuverability, and cannons. Start there, then toss a bone or two into the KDF T6 C-store Science fleet, like the first T6 "Vesta"...
More interaction than "I'm an honorable Feddie Wannabe who will out Fed the Feddie to maintain my honor!!one!!1! Q'apla and some other Klingony words..."
Where's the "release honor cry" for Kahless when he nobly sacrificed himself against T'Ket?
"Ah, the 'esteemed' Tom Paris, you fly almost as good as (insert famed Klingon Pilot here, like Krich'tovan)" and other such "Shakes'Pearian "comparisons", because everything's always better in the "original Klingon"
More reasons for the "Vassal States" to serve - and maybe a little more insight into said vassal states
Finally - some recognition of what I did to boost my Fed being carried over to the KDF would be nice...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Personally, I've had way more fun on my KDF characters with AoY than I have on my Fed characters.
The Kelvin Timeline Klingon Uniforms were very much appreciated (although still waiting for a fix to the Blingon cranial jewelry, which seems fixed on Tribble), and the D4x Pilot Raider is my very first Pilot ship I've acquired, and the fact I was able to do so for EC makes AoY the best expansion for my KDF characters since LoR.
The constant moving parts on the D4x (like with the pilot maneuvers), combined with the sleek KT Klingon Bridge it comes with? I've had an absolute blast playing KDF, while my Temporal Agent is still somewhere around a Lt. Cmdr.
Make me jealous, why don't ya? The D4x looks soooo coool...but no way I will ever see any of those lockbox ships. LOL!
I will get the Pilot Raptor Bundle....one of these days.....
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
My main toons are KDF and I run completed fleets of both factions but I enjoy KDF ships more, I just wish they would release more Gorn, Naussican, and true Klingon ships, there are many more in the game as NPCs and people are willing to shell out money for them, Fed stuff is just more popular because people prefer to RP as Starfleet.
No to the Fed Alliance. I won't have my Klingons be assimilated by them! It as Chang warned. I knew Freddie players would beg for this.
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Actually, cross-faction armadas and teaming would get me to play KDF more often than I do. I like my KDF characters but I don't play them often because all my friends play Fed/Fed-Rom, so I tend to lean on my Feds/Fed-Roms to be more social.
Another reason I don't play KDF much is the obvious hostility of (a fair percentage of) the playerbase, I'd really rather not associate with players who constantly complain, whine, and call Starfleet players "Feddie bears". Granted, Starfleet players do have their complaints as well, but at least the name-calling and faction hostility isn't as bad.
As for getting me to fire up my KDF character(s) more often? Hmm... well, my 'main' KDF would love a proper Science vessel, I really hate having to fake-it with my Science Command battlecruiser. If the Empire got an equvalant to the Vesta I'd be all over that like a Tribble on a grain shipment!
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It is suggesting doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result.
*shrugs* It seems your mind is already made up, so I won't bother to give you a differing perspective to consider.
I think it would do well in terms of fostering goodwill with the existing KDF playerbase as well as giving new players choices (which are always a good thing) but I also understand there's an entrenched sense of defense regarding existing offerings and that many will oppose it simply because they feel dedicating development time to something *they* don't play is a "waste" somehow.
Oh, and for the record- I'm a FED player who has 4 Fleet Admirals on Fed-side alone... I have one Klingon who's Brig General who I'd be interested in playing more if they actually put more development time into the KDF storylines.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
As for myself i have one toon out of five that is kdf that gets equal time. But to be honest she not really a favorite because i feel like im polishing a tu-rd. I hate KDF ships, ugly eye sores. And for me to play at all i bought a Ferasan because i determined i hate the ordinary races. Im not apt to start another, but if they had a recruitment event that compelled me it prolly be a talaxian with a non klingon ship.
"Presumption" of "presupposition" is all you have to offer? Seriously?
FYI the "premise" is to get people to post ideas as to the thread title- which is, "WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO PLAY KDF?" and it doesn't specify existing players or new ones.
If you're happy with the way things are, why bother to reply at all?
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
I have 2 KDF alts already, but it'd still take me a bit of incentive to make a Klingon
I gave my opinion and response to the question posed. Its a free forum here.
I obviously struck a nerve with a pro kdf agenda.
For the record my KDF chars are an Orion and a Gorn.
My character Tsin'xing
Not being "sensitive" at all, just curious as to your motive for replying if you're indeed satisfied with the way things are, when the question is implying to the contrary for many other players.
As far as the "pro KDF agenda", what's wrong with advocating for a playerbase that has existed since the inception of the game which has been severely neglected historically? What's wrong with questioning the "status quo"?
If anyone is coming across as "sensitive" here, it's definitely not those who are putting forth ideas- it's those who staunchly defend the status quo.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
So here we are, today, with Alliance and Unity being the buzzwords in STO. Instead of maintaining separate identities for the 2.5 factions we do have, we are fed cross-faction ships, gear, storylines... the list can go on but I'm not going to beat the dead horse anymore.
What I would like to see brought into the game are things made available to the KDF and ONLY to the KDF in the form of missions, traits, costumes. Not just copy/paste content like we had in the past. I mean things that are original.
Here are some examples...
Faction vs Faction private or public PvP queues: Fed vs KDF (Roms would fight alongside KDF or Fed as per their alleigence). I feel that PvP was pretty much given a mortal wound when they essentially took out the incentives to do this in the early years. Make it rewarding for the players.
Capture the Flag: 5v5 or 10v10 battle to see which side can hold a flag for the longest during a set amount of time.
Capture and Hold: 5v5 or 10v10 battle to capture and hold an asset in the middle of a map
KDF only House vs. House (Fleet vs. Fleet) battles. Throughout the Empire's history are stories of Great Houses, even minor Houses fighting over various issues.
Missions designed with the KDF in mind.
KDF specific consoles/traits. This alone is why I feel the KDF numbers have dwindled so much. Much of what separated the KDF was taken away when their specific items were made available to the other faction(s).
This is just my thoughts on SOME things that could be done to make things more interesting. Hell, some of these could even expand to be inclysive of the Feds.
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"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
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My character Tsin'xing
Boolean makes for a nice Gorn-Portable PPC.
Kor died in 2375. He bravely fought off ten Jem'Hadar ships in BOP! Qapla' Kor!
I need to re watch that episode. It was really good.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Adding the 16ish currently "non-playable" npc KDF faction starships to the C-store would be nice. The models are done and in game just need some polishing and seating setups throwing in some Lethean and Ferasean starships would be a nice bonus.
edit: I still want the S'ona ship pack added along with Worf's rocket launcher from Insurrection.
Do that and maybe I'll consider playing a real klingon experience.
Long term, while I really would like to see either parity between factions or a complete merger with cross faction fleets and teaming, but I don't really expect to ever see either with the way STO has handled things in the past.
Short term fixes for me would include any or all of- T6 Carrier, T6 Science ship, full access to cross faction ship traits for ships you own, same deal for non ship locked consoles would be nice as well.
The KDF Vengeance box has me hopeful that something similar may happen for cross faction C-store ships.
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KDF Science fleet - more than just the DSD, Vo'Quv, and cross faction stuff. The Vesta looks to me like a "light cruiser" sized ship with the "usual battlecruiser conversion" of less hull, more maneuverability, and cannons. Start there, then toss a bone or two into the KDF T6 C-store Science fleet, like the first T6 "Vesta"...
More interaction than "I'm an honorable Feddie Wannabe who will out Fed the Feddie to maintain my honor!!one!!1! Q'apla and some other Klingony words..."
Where's the "release honor cry" for Kahless when he nobly sacrificed himself against T'Ket?
"Ah, the 'esteemed' Tom Paris, you fly almost as good as (insert famed Klingon Pilot here, like Krich'tovan)" and other such "Shakes'Pearian "comparisons", because everything's always better in the "original Klingon"
More reasons for the "Vassal States" to serve - and maybe a little more insight into said vassal states
Finally - some recognition of what I did to boost my Fed being carried over to the KDF would be nice...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Make me jealous, why don't ya?
I will get the Pilot Raptor Bundle....one of these days.....
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Also, fix the KDF notifications for crying out loud. They've been stuck in Fed mode since what, Legacy of Romulus? What the hell...
No to the Fed Alliance. I won't have my Klingons be assimilated by them! It as Chang warned. I knew Freddie players would beg for this.
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Another reason I don't play KDF much is the obvious hostility of (a fair percentage of) the playerbase, I'd really rather not associate with players who constantly complain, whine, and call Starfleet players "Feddie bears". Granted, Starfleet players do have their complaints as well, but at least the name-calling and faction hostility isn't as bad.
As for getting me to fire up my KDF character(s) more often? Hmm... well, my 'main' KDF would love a proper Science vessel, I really hate having to fake-it with my Science Command battlecruiser. If the Empire got an equvalant to the Vesta I'd be all over that like a Tribble on a grain shipment!