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if you want the lockbox ships READ THIS NOW

DO NOT OPEN BOXES TRYING TO GET SHIPS.

you will probably spend hundreds of dollars and get nothing.

instead buy master keys and sell them on the exchange.

soon you will have enough EC to buy the ship directly for a set price.

DO NOT GAMBLE with your money when you can buy the ship for a set price.

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    nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    THE FORUM KNOWS THIS POST IN GAME.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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    nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    For comparison, for all the folks who think they can buy someone else's risk cheaply.

    KT key run results (Klingon-7/41 lobi):
    1x D4x (7th key - end of Klingon run)
    1x KT Training Manuals
    2x KT modules
    1x KT Doff
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    1x 150 fleet marks
    1x 100 fleet marks

    KT key run results (Romulan-88/454 lobi):
    1x T'laru (88th key - end of Romulan run)
    3x KT Starship traits (Romulan)
    5x Console Pack (romulan)
    1x Ground Trait: Brawler
    3x Space Trait: Expedient Repairs
    2x Space Trait: Neutral Zone
    8x KT Training Manuals
    8x KT modules
    8x KT Doff
    10x KT Weapons
    ---
    1x Dilithium Extra VIP
    2x Dilithium VIP
    3x 500 Reputation marks
    1x 150 fleet marks
    6x 100 fleet marks
    2x 35k fleet credits
    6x 25k fleet credits
    3x 1 Salvaged Technology
    16x R&D pack

    KT key run results (Federation-68/337 lobi):
    1x KT Constitution (68th key - end of Federation run)
    1x KT Starship traits (Federation)
    2x Console Pack (federation)
    3x Ground Trait: Brawler
    1x Space Trait: Expedient Repairs
    3x Space Trait: Neutral Zone
    8x KT Training Manuals
    2x KT modules
    7x KT Doff
    18x KT Weapons

    ---
    2x Dilithium Extra VIP
    4x 500 Reputation marks
    2x 150 fleet marks
    3x 100 fleet marks
    1x 25k fleet credits
    1x 2 Salvaged Technology
    2x 1 Salvaged Technology
    8x R&D pack

    Totals: 163 keys/832 lobi
    1x KT Constitution
    1x T'laru
    1x D4x
    1x KT Starship traits (Federation)
    2x Console Pack (federation)
    3x KT Starship traits (Romulan)
    5x Console Pack (romulan)
    4x Ground Trait: Brawler
    4x Space Trait: Expedient Repairs
    5x Space Trait: Neutral Zone
    12x KT modules
    17x KT Training Manuals
    16x KT Doff
    28x KT Weapons
    ---
    3x Dilithium Extra VIP
    2x Dilithium VIP
    4x 500 Reputation marks
    4x 150 fleet marks
    10x 100 fleet marks
    2x 35k fleet credits
    7x 25k fleet credits
    1x 2 Salvaged Technology
    5x 1 Salvaged Technology
    24x R&D pack

    Yes, that was insanely lucky. But I also got each of the ships for ~54 keys apiece along with all the other goodies that came out of those boxes and enough lobi to be within spiting distance of the Vengeance to go with them.

    Let me know when ships drop down under 350-million EC and how much you paid on top of that for the other stuff you wanted from this Lock Box like consoles, weapons, traits, and Doffs.
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    scrooge69scrooge69 Member Posts: 1,108 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    STOP this if less ppl open boxes the box content prizes will rise


    you jsut want them to sell keys...more ppl selling keys = key prizes will drop
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    gulremalgulremal Member Posts: 153 Arc User
    And when majority of players decides to do that, who will open lolboxes to get the ships to put them on exchange in the 1st place?
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    thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    Who indeed.
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    nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    Who indeed.

    me, once they drive keys down low enough. >:)


    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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    mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    nikeix wrote: »
    For comparison, for all the folks who think they can buy someone else's risk cheaply.

    KT key run results (Klingon-7/41 lobi):
    1x D4x (7th key - end of Klingon run)
    1x KT Training Manuals
    2x KT modules
    1x KT Doff
    ---
    1x 150 fleet marks
    1x 100 fleet marks

    KT key run results (Romulan-88/454 lobi):
    1x T'laru (88th key - end of Romulan run)
    3x KT Starship traits (Romulan)
    5x Console Pack (romulan)
    1x Ground Trait: Brawler
    3x Space Trait: Expedient Repairs
    2x Space Trait: Neutral Zone
    8x KT Training Manuals
    8x KT modules
    8x KT Doff
    10x KT Weapons
    ---
    1x Dilithium Extra VIP
    2x Dilithium VIP
    3x 500 Reputation marks
    1x 150 fleet marks
    6x 100 fleet marks
    2x 35k fleet credits
    6x 25k fleet credits
    3x 1 Salvaged Technology
    16x R&D pack

    KT key run results (Federation-68/337 lobi):
    1x KT Constitution (68th key - end of Federation run)
    1x KT Starship traits (Federation)
    2x Console Pack (federation)
    3x Ground Trait: Brawler
    1x Space Trait: Expedient Repairs
    3x Space Trait: Neutral Zone
    8x KT Training Manuals
    2x KT modules
    7x KT Doff
    18x KT Weapons

    ---
    2x Dilithium Extra VIP
    4x 500 Reputation marks
    2x 150 fleet marks
    3x 100 fleet marks
    1x 25k fleet credits
    1x 2 Salvaged Technology
    2x 1 Salvaged Technology
    8x R&D pack

    Totals: 163 keys/832 lobi
    1x KT Constitution
    1x T'laru
    1x D4x
    1x KT Starship traits (Federation)
    2x Console Pack (federation)
    3x KT Starship traits (Romulan)
    5x Console Pack (romulan)
    4x Ground Trait: Brawler
    4x Space Trait: Expedient Repairs
    5x Space Trait: Neutral Zone
    12x KT modules
    17x KT Training Manuals
    16x KT Doff
    28x KT Weapons
    ---
    3x Dilithium Extra VIP
    2x Dilithium VIP
    4x 500 Reputation marks
    4x 150 fleet marks
    10x 100 fleet marks
    2x 35k fleet credits
    7x 25k fleet credits
    1x 2 Salvaged Technology
    5x 1 Salvaged Technology
    24x R&D pack

    Yes, that was insanely lucky. But I also got each of the ships for ~54 keys apiece along with all the other goodies that came out of those boxes and enough lobi to be within spiting distance of the Vengeance to go with them.

    Let me know when ships drop down under 350-million EC and how much you paid on top of that for the other stuff you wanted from this Lock Box like consoles, weapons, traits, and Doffs.

    Fascinating breakdown.

    While mine does not go into that much detail, here is how I ran 700 keys...

    I hit the Kelvin Connie within the first 100 boxes, probably within the first 60... I stopped on my FED toon at 100 boxes opened. My ROM toon opened 200 boxes, and the T'laru dropped somewhere in the 100-200 range... 200 boxes total for that too. My KDF toon... 400 boxes, NO SHIP.

    Thankfully, I acquired enough Lobi to flip 3 Vengeances for the D4x, and I fully admit that I would likely be able to get that ship at a cheaper price later. Impatience is your enemy, in this lockbox game, LOL.

    I did get all the ships, and I think I have enough to get ALL Lobi items/costumes without going completely broke... but, the market is flooded right now, so reselling things won't get you what you want... unless they are ships.
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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    People who give this "advice" either fail economics forever or are lockbox item sellers who would benefit from more keys and less box contents in the market.

    Just in case you're the former...Lockbox "gamblers" make profit opening boxes.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    ... how could selling keys decrease the amount of people opening boxes? Someone is BUYING those keys, and more than likely using them to open Kelvin lockboxes, they're just paying EC instead of cash/Zen.

    Anyway, if you plan on buying the JJ ships on the exchange this way but have difficulty with math, check the going rate for the ship and the going rate for keys, divide the ship rate by the key rate, round up and buy that many keys.
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    starmanjstarmanj Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    I have only done Lockboxes 10 times after that never invested in them again LOL
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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    ... how could selling keys decrease the amount of people opening boxes? Someone is BUYING those keys, and more than likely using them to open Kelvin lockboxes, they're just paying EC instead of cash/Zen.
    A player who buys keys and sells box contents, would naturally want other players to sell keys and buy box contents.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    ... how could selling keys decrease the amount of people opening boxes? Someone is BUYING those keys, and more than likely using them to open Kelvin lockboxes, they're just paying EC instead of cash/Zen.
    A player who buys keys and sells box contents, would naturally want other players to sell keys and buy box contents.

    ... I don't touch lockboxes at all, except for buying a couple lobi uniforms off the exchange ... none of the ships are worth the outrageous prices imho ... but if I DID decide to get a box ship, I'd rather drop the RNG and just sell keys until I can buy it, it's just easier that way and puts a clear price tag on the ship.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,345 Arc User
    I was lucky. I got 2 Connies from 70 Keys. Traded one for the Vengance, so an awesome haul IMHO.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
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    risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    People who keep sharing the 'advice' not to open lock boxes have made me very happy in the past. And rich.

    Keep it up!
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    orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    I want people to spend lots of money opening lockboxes.

    More lockbox ships on the exchange will lower the price and allow me to snap them up with no effort.
    Previously Alendiak
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    artemida82artemida82 Member Posts: 44 Arc User
    DO NOT OPEN BOXES TRYING TO GET SHIPS.

    you will probably spend hundreds of dollars and get nothing.

    instead buy master keys and sell them on the exchange.

    soon you will have enough EC to buy the ship directly for a set price.

    DO NOT GAMBLE with your money when you can buy the ship for a set price.

    In fact, you're right.
    But here is other question: If everyones will stop buy boxes, dosen't soon will exchange shop epty?
    So, everybody have think by him/herself.
    Me, personally buy Master Key one by one or two month. And I trying lucky. Some good console, is good too. And ships? What if will be there someone. But not a ship, how I want. Take her or sell? No! I want have control about decision what I do, what I have, and what and what for I want. Thats it... ;)
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    artemida82 wrote: »
    DO NOT OPEN BOXES TRYING TO GET SHIPS.

    you will probably spend hundreds of dollars and get nothing.

    instead buy master keys and sell them on the exchange.

    soon you will have enough EC to buy the ship directly for a set price.

    DO NOT GAMBLE with your money when you can buy the ship for a set price.

    In fact, you're right.
    But here is other question: If everyones will stop buy boxes, dosen't soon will exchange shop epty?
    So, everybody have think by him/herself.
    Me, personally buy Master Key one by one or two month. And I trying lucky. Some good console, is good too. And ships? What if will be there someone. But not a ship, how I want. Take her or sell? No! I want have control about decision what I do, what I have, and what and what for I want. Thats it... ;)

    The people buying your keys from the exchange will open boxes, so this has no impact on supply.
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    sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    DO NOT OPEN BOXES TRYING TO GET SHIPS.

    you will probably spend hundreds of dollars and get nothing.

    instead buy master keys and sell them on the exchange.

    soon you will have enough EC to buy the ship directly for a set price.

    DO NOT GAMBLE with your money when you can buy the ship for a set price.

    this is bs, with the current prices of the ships, you need to spend at least 100 € in keys for 1 ship. you never win, only cryptic wins, your money. 100€ for a bunch of vertices, it is just insane. if you want to see awesome 3d models, you can take a look at Turbosquid or CGsociety. But even these models are too expensive.
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    daviesdaviesdaviesdavies Member Posts: 277 Arc User
    I have been opening boxes since Ferengi ones ( I still have 250+20 mysterious boxes )
    I never found any lockboxships since Temporal Lockboxes. ( 2012 or 2013 ? )
    Except for 2 Malons and one token for a T5 ship (today)

    Any lockboxes beside infinity boxes are extremly bad in terms of finding decent items
    Somehow those token dropped from infinity boxes are bugged
    it can give you random items without you ever choose any.
    even so infinity boxes are better for farming lobi and those new item tokens

    However most lobi gears are extremly toxic after delta rising
    the amount of dilithium you spent to upgrade is insane
    because they are all high mark and rare
    It is pretty much like those toxic finanical deratives
    which the banks sell to their customers
    and lead to the global financial crisis 2008

















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