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Making the SE marks account bound?
gagaporn
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Since the ship is now. It wouldn't hurt cryptic's metrics b/c ppl would still log in all their alts. Just having x amount of the same project across multiple alts makes no sense. Just make the project only able to receive donations once a day. Then transfer all marks from alts to main project.
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Join Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010
Can an account have 25 toons? Still, there are doffs, pets raised for marks (one pet is on 20hr cd), and loads of other stuff in lolwut store to achieve that takes time to build up the favor for. How would it be any different for the event considering that the ppl that just want the ship do the daily then leave or spend 1000$ on lobi?
The 2016 vouchers are bound to each character because with enough alts a player can simply claim the ship in one day. That is not what Cryptic wants. They want players to log in multiple days since that can be used to gauge how successful an event is. If people can claim the event starship within the first few day using multiple captains, then that defeats the purpose of trying to have people log in multiple days to do the event.
The way a business like Cryptic (a subdivision of PWE) determines how well a game is performing during an event is to see metrics showing how many players are logging in to play STO everyday and of those players how many of them are actually participating in the event. The amount Zen purchased with real money each day is also an important metric, but that is beyond the scope of trying to determine if an event is considered successful.
If players are able to grind out vouchers very quickly, then they are less likely to continue to participate in the event. The fewer people playing the event the less successful the event is because the metrics tracking participation in the event will be low. That could lead to Cryptic simply eliminating the event altogether which means there will be no free starship for players to eventually get.
Cryptic does not care how many players claim the free starship. It could be all players have claimed it or absolutely no players have accumulated enough vouchers to claim it. It does not matter. What matters is how many player are going to Risa to do the various activities offered. If the metrics show many players going to Risa on a daily basis consistently, then that is considered successful in a general sense. If the metric shows that after a few days the number of players going to Risa drops off dramatically because players used multiple captains on the account to grind all the vouchers necessary to get the ship, then the event considered a failure because no one is going to Risa to do the various events. Since this constitutes as a failed event, Cryptic might decide not to have a 2017 Risa Summer Event; that would be bad for everyone.
Also, keeping people logging in isn't just for metrics, it's hopefully a way to keep the game/community/players "active" - if they're already logging in for the "free ship" daily, they might just stick around and participate in other things. Which is particularly useful for group activities like STFs (more people in queue is good) and for visuals (when a player sees lots of other players around, it gives the impression that Things Are Happening™/game is healthy/etc.)
So yeah, you can get the ship in one day - but only by the Throwing Money At It method (lobi). Otherwise, they want long-term participation. That's why they're giving out good, "free" end-game ships, after all. /shrug
If you call that a grind, then you have no idea what a grind really is. Try moving your entire lineup through MI, CC, or any other event which requires each captain to participate if they want the shiny. Then Flying High or the ice race in WE won't seem like such a grind at all.
For an account unlock, never in a million years.
Cryptic could decide make the vouchers from the daily event account bound... but toss in a very sinister twist...
The daily event now only rewards 5 vouchers instead of 40 vouchers. That means all players will need to have a minimum of 5 captains on their account in order to accumulate the 1,000 vouchers necessary to claim the ship within 40 day. Or have more than 5 captains if you know you cannot play the event every single day. But no worries if you miss doing the daily event even for a single day because you can always purchase the vouchers using Lobi Crystals.
Precisely. They'll happily grind-out CCA multiple times a session for 75 Marks and 720 Dil everyday of the year, but 25 x 5 minutes over a maximum of 42 days for an actual ship....NOOOOOOOOO!
Heh.
When you look at it objectively, to get the thing you're compelled to: 1) perform a task; 2) 25 times; 3) no less than 20 hours between performances; 4) in a particular area of the game map is far removed from traditional grinds.
The daily commute itself is pretty grindy, since the transwarp to Risa is a 1-way tunnel, and there's the horrible ground map loading screen to time-gate you. Best case would be the people doing circuit grinds that just happen to have a >=20h cycle, allowing them to seamlessly integrate Risa into their circuit. Those best cases aren't the norm, though, most people are compelled to change their normal grinds to accommodate the inconvenience of going all the way out to Risa and back, every day or so, 25 times.
It almost seems like you're trying to pull a Crocodile Dundee move with this, "if you call that a grind, then you have no idea what a grind really is" nonsense. Of course it's a grind, don't be ridiculous.
the only way to get around that would be to make the mission cool down an account lock but then you would not be gaining anything would you, there would however be many players loosing out as they do the event with extra characters after claiming the ship for bonus marks and making the mission cooldown an account lock would seriously impede their ability to gain marks on any more then one character.
players keep trying to think of ways to get around the game requirements but believe me cryptic has already thought of every trick you can come up with so they are ready to say no to every one of them.
this leaves you with one choice you need to make if you don't want to pay with libi, either do the mission for 25 days or don't get the ship.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
What commute? There is no compelling reason to ever leave Risa until the event is over.
Yep. Each holiday event, I pick which of my alts are going to participate, and send them there for the duration. If I want to do other things, I'll do it on one of the characters who're running around the galaxy.
(and especially if all you want to do on Risa is the ship daily - any random alt with a jetpack can do that, since your other characters can just claim it afterwards....)
Okay, so I didn't say it was or wasn't a grind, but implied that it wasn't. To me, it isn't. I leave my toons on Risa so there's no TWing at all. The patch I just ran is supposed to fix the abysmally-long loading screens between toons when I'm doing the other games down there, so that makes me happy.
Of course it's a grind, but it's exponentially much LESS of a grind than the Anniversary/CC/other much shorter events. It only takes me all of about two minutes, maybe three, to do Flying High, it depends on how the courses are arranged. And I only need to complete it on one toon to unlock the ship for all. Then I play around on the other games for awhile. So no, IMO, it isn't much of a grind to me at all.
During the SE I don't do any other content, I give my captains their shore leave for the duration and they just have fun, despite the others who moan and complain.
As mentioned above, Cryptic insists that you log in over 25 days instead of spending one weekend, for them to give you a free, cross-faction, account-wide endgame ship. Your other choice is to support the game by giving them lobi instead.
If others want to just park a toon for Flying High, that's their choice. I park my son's main there so I can help him get the ship while he tries to get his inet to work right. I don't mind, it's a two minute flight, once a day (for me, not gonna roll it every 20 hours)
This thought didn't occur to me at the time of the OP. Late night at work and was tired.
And considering most days it'll take you mane 5 mins max that's a bargain for a top tier ship for free.
It's bizarre people whine about it when they will happily sit and grind out ISA or CCA endlessly just to measure DPS. It is as easy as it gets in STO.
Only thing I disagree on is not allowing past event ships to be earned. Even if it uses the same mechanic of annual reward tokens that expire outside of the event it would allow for an increase in participation. I mean I'll grind out daily for the current ship. But if I can grind for a missed past ship too then that will double the time I'm playing the event each day for 25 days. And if I'm a newbie and have no past event ships I could be grinding for 4 summer event ships currently, that's quadrupled my daily time ingame! And there are plenty of players who would be happy to do this.
I endorse this. I have the Risa ships, but I only started doing the WE race last year. So I missed all the other ships except the Rezreth. My fault, yes I know. I'm not complaining about that. But if they gave us the choice to grind past ships, I'd work that WE and get the other Breen ships.
Not gonna complain if they don't do it either.
It could be they can already do that, since they have something like that for Featured Episode rewards, IIRC.
They will not let you shortcut it to less than the required number of days (25?), but there is no strict need to require you to use the same character every time.
That said - it might just not be worth the effort. (And it has its risk - if people accidentaly slot their pearls on one character and then on a second, they would possibly never able to complete the taks anymore. Communicating this clearly so that no one screws up, or inventing an account wide rep project, would definitely require a lot of extra effort.)
Yeah.
Or they could ditch the rep projects and do what they originally did with the first Breen ship reward...have players buy it in the event store using the ship tokens as currency.
But there wouldn't be any benefit to doing it on multiple toons if it was still once per day.
making past ships available again could encourage some players to run the event on many characters to get past ships or it could have the opposite effect and players could say no need to bother with the event I will get it next year.
I suspect cryptic see this happen with many players, skipping the events with the idea of getting the ships in later years, I know this happened by the amount of long term players I have seen complaining about this very thing who had absolutely no excuse for not having all of the ships.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Actually, if you run it every 20 hours, you can cut a day or two off it. Personally, I'm not *that* dedicated
Tends to be far too disruptive to normal activity to actually try to hit a 20h cycle, especially if you start interrupting sleep. Seems silly to ruin your productivity because of impatience.
I'm happy enough doing all 20 hour projects every 24 hours or so.
I was just fortunate that I worked nights and days on a rota and was able to sneak my laptop into work when I needed so I could run the event in downtimes I had during my night shifts when no one was around.
little did I know that the following year I could have unlocked it with 40 signed pics or that eventually it would be and account unlock and I could have claimed it for nothing, still it was an experience I will never forget.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
My original inquiry was based on me making a mistake and starting the project on my main and an alt. I only have 4 toons total and honestly didn't know an acct could have more than 8. Thought it was capped like inventory or doff roster.
There is also the fact that the first run of the daily gives the vouchers but they are toon bound so then you have alts with useless 2016 vouchers but only need to do one project per acct.